the comics that make up your Marvel.

[Elijya]

What issue is Howling Commandoes on????

mmm, I happen to know the actual story behind what was up with Howling Commandos, but I can't share it. Suffice to say they were an exception and not a good example of the point you're trying to get across

 

[Darthphere]

It involves Xenu and secret Scientology subliminal messages.

 

[Elijya]

exactly

 

[Dwarf lord]

Uncanny X-Men
Fantastic Four
Amazing Spider-Man
Avengers (Dump the new)
Thunderbolts
Incredible Hulk
She-Hulk
Thing
Runaways
X-Factor
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor (Bring it back)
Captain Marvel (Bring it back)

 

[CanaryFan]

I dont think most people realize comic books are a business. i.e you need to make money.

And your point was?

Marvel has been making plenty of money for decades. They went through one little trouble spot based mostly on all the gimics that were going on at the time that turned away so many collectors. You can write good books and use good artists and popular characters and make plenty of money.

 

[Harlekin]

One little trouble spot? They ****ing bankrupted.

 

[Darthphere]

And your point was?

Marvel has been making plenty of money for decades. They went through one little trouble spot based mostly on all the gimics that were going on at the time that turned away so many collectors. You can write good books and use good artists and popular characters and make plenty of money.

If a little trouble spot means filing for bankruptcy, then youre right. But Wolverine selles, and so does those crappy artists you speak of. Marvel would be idiotic if they stop making those titles with those crappy artists.

 

[CanaryFan]

what artist do you have a problem with?

I can't reeally say that I know the names of the artist that I don't like. I know when I looked through the various marvel titles I couldn't believe that they were paying these guys for thier artwork. I could draw better than half of them and I don't even consider myself good. I got out of collecting for a while for a number of reasons and am just getting back into it so I'm not up on names right now. I bought Uncanny X-men drawn by Roger Cruz. The cover looked good and a few pages inside as well but most of it blows. It looks like he spends time on a couple pages a month and then scribbles the rest out.

On the other hand I've been impressed with Jim Chueng from Young Avengers and David Finch from Moon Knight so they have a couple of keepers in thier stables.

 

[CanaryFan]

If a little trouble spot means filing for bankruptcy, then youre right. But Wolverine selles, and so does those crappy artists you speak of. Marvel would be idiotic if they stop making those titles with those crappy artists.

If you understand anything about buisness then you probably know that filling backruptcy doesn't mesn much. More often than not it's done to eliminate debt and disolve contracts that they no longer wish to honor. If often has very little to do with finacial trouble, in fact many companies file for backruptcy ever few years just to restructure and break old ties. They fudge the numbers a bit to make it look good publicly but look deeper into the records and it's all a scam. Try to do that with personal backruptcy and you'll get laughed out of court but big buisness always gets what it wants.

 

[Darthphere]

If you understand anything about buisness then you probably know that filling backruptcy doesn't mesn much. More often than not it's done to eliminate debt and disolve contracts that they no longer wish to honor. If often has very little to do with finacial trouble, in fact many companies file for backruptcy ever few years just to restructure and break old ties. They fudge the numbers a bit to make it look good publicly but look deeper into the records and it's all a scam. Try to do that with personal backruptcy and you'll get laughed out of court but big buisness always gets what it wants.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

 

[CanaryFan]

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

I've been involved with companies that have done it, I know what I'm talking about first hand. You obviously have no clue.

 

[Darthphere]

Of course, youre right. Going bakrupt is not a big deal, silly me.

 

[CanaryFan]

Of course, youre right. Going bakrupt is not a big deal, silly me.

Let me make this real easy for you to understand. File for personal bankruptcy and they take everything that you own and sell it off to pay off your debts and then absolve you of the left over debt. When marvel filed for backruptcy did they lose the rights to any off the characters that make them millions of dollars a year? Did they lose any of the equipment that they needed to stay in buisness and publish comics? Did they lose thier distribution company? Did they loose anything that really hurt thier buisness?

 

[Elijya]

yeah, I know when an entire industry's sales plummet, what? 70%? and two thirds of the nations retail outlets close, it qualifies as a "little trouble spot"

 

[Darthphere]

No, I already said youre right, its not a big deal at all. Really, they just filed the papers as a joke.

 

[Elijya]

oh yeah, I think that was one of those "month of stunts" things, right? like a Fifth Week Event, or something? "Hey guys, last year we did Assistent Editors month, then we did "'Nuff Said" month, and "Minus One" month. How about this year we file for bankruptcy! It'll be a laugh riot!"

 

[CanaryFan]

yeah, I know when an entire industry's sales plummet, what? 70%? and two thirds of the nations retail outlets close, it qualifies as a "little trouble spot"

By Little I meant short term. I think saying 2/3 of the nations retail outlets closed is a bit inflated. In any case Marvel doesn't own those stores and that really has nothing to do with them.

 

[roach]

mmm, I happen to know the actual story behind what was up with Howling Commandos, but I can't share it. Suffice to say they were an exception and not a good example of the point you're trying to get across

share it

 

[Elijya]

and Marvel's Bankruptcy was not solely the fault of the industry collapse, it also had to do with Ronald Perelman involvement with the company

 

[Elijya]

By Little I meant short term. I think saying 2/3 of the nations retail outlets closed is a bit inflated. In any case Marvel doesn't own those stores and that really has nothing to do with them.

yes, but I'm speaking of the industry in general, of which Marvel is an enourmous part of

 

[CanaryFan]

You're both clueless. They eliminatwed debts and elimanted contracts and restructured thier company. It was a buisness decision that benefitted them without any real downside.

 

[Elijya]

By Little I meant short term. I think saying 2/3 of the nations retail outlets closed is a bit inflated. In any case Marvel doesn't own those stores and that really has nothing to do with them.

yes, but I'm speaking of the industry in general, of which Marvel is an enourmous part of.

And let's say it is inflated - is HALF of the nation' retail outlets closing really that much better? no, it's still a terrible thing and a display of the poor state of the industry at the time, and still very much today

YES Marvel recovered, but it was not a "small"" thing, is what we're saying. It took years. It was easily the lowest and darkest moment in the companies history (aside from "Heroes Reborn")

 

[Elijya]

You're both clueless.

It's not necessary to insult other posters while we have a discussion. Keep it up and you will be removed. Please do not continue.

 

[Elijya]

They eliminatwed debts and elimanted contracts and restructured thier company. It was a buisness decision that benefitted them without any real downside.

Yes, we understand that, we know how a bankruptcy works. But a bankruptcy is a SIGN of a business doing very poorly on a financial and business level, and are only necessary when things get bad.

 

[CanaryFan]

It's not necessary to insult other posters while we have a discussion. Continue it and you will be removed. Please do not keep it up.

It's not an insult it's an opion based on your statments

oh yeah, I think that was one of those "month of stunts" things, right? like a Fifth Week Event, or something? "Hey guys, last year we did Assistent Editors month, then we did "'Nuff Said" month, and "Minus One" month. How about this year we file for bankruptcy! It'll be a laugh riot!"

Really, they just filed the papers as a joke.