The DCEU slate, what is it? What should it be?

[chamber-music]

I think DC is just putting certain movies into development with writers/directors attached and whatever film looks like it has a workable script will get greenlighted.

I don't think they have firm set plans for all these movies.

 

[BH/HHH]

I think DC is just putting certain movies into development with writers/directors attached and whatever film looks like it has a workable script will get greenlighted.

I don't think they have firm set plans for all these movies.

I agree

 

[psylockolussus]

Didn't they air a special on Cw about their film line up from the next five years? It is a mess that some of the films don't have a release date anymore.

At least with Phase 3, one gets demoted to TV but will be made sooner and the others still have a release date.

 

[BH/HHH]

Since then they've done some restructuring as far as we know. No one knows what's been said behind the scenes so people need to stop acting like they know what's going on by saying things are a mess.

 

[The Guard]

Beyond bored with the original thought of "WB doesn't have a plan".

How many times does it have to be pointed out that just because you personally aren't in on the details of a plan, that doesn't mean there isn't one.

WB's plan is to make DC characters into movies and TV shows and DTV videos. They're making adjustments based on market responses.

That's a completely normal business practice, and smart business as well.

But if you think Warner Brothers, at the outset of all this, didn't think for instance that Nightwing was a character worth pursuing in some fashion, you haven't been paying attention to what those at the top were saying from the word go about the dozens of characters worth making movies and TV shows out of. You haven't been paying attention to projects that have been in actual development and shopped to networks (TITANS TV show, featuring Nightwing).

NIGHTWING isn't a magical new project that appeared overnight. You're hearing about it now because hype for Batman and his world, and especially his family, is high after the LEGO Batman movie and the situation with THE BATMAN.

But odds are pretty good that NIGHTWING was not a random project they haven't been thinking about until JUST NOW, any more than GOTHAM CITY SIRENS was a project no one had been talking about or developing (a Harley Quinn solo was rumored to be in development prior to SUICIDE SQUAD being released).

I don't think some people here understand the first thing about how business or the creative process actually works. Plans change. Adjustments are made. Not every aspect of every business or creative decision is always set in stone or revealed to the public. It just doesn't work that way.

Firm plans that start off concrete and never change and never alter...with the exception of release dates, that's just not a realistic thing from the time development of a film begins. Not with WB, not with most movie studios, and not with the MCU either. Creative projects change in a myriad of ways all the time. And the public is not privy to most of what goes on behind the scenes. It's just laughable to believe otherwise.

 

[psylockolussus]

Since then they've done some restructuring as far as we know. No one knows what's been said behind the scenes so people need to stop acting like they know what's going on by saying things are a mess.

Isn't that why some certain films already lost a director and a film getting a page 1 rewrite when that movie was supposed to come out next year? That is a mess. Bvs, Mos and SS alone are already a triple mess. Let's not act like its been a smooth sailing for DC because its really not.

 

[BH/HHH]

Isn't that why some certain films already lost a director and a film getting a page 1 rewrite when that movie was supposed to come out next year? That is a mess. Bvs, Mos and SS alone are already a triple mess. Let's not act like its been a smooth sailing for DC because its really not.

So you know what's happening behind the scenes do you?

The quality of the films is SUBJECTIVE and they were profitable. There's two films coming this year. Aquaman is on production, Flash is at a page over rewrite, GCS is in pre production, and the Batman has a director. That is all we know for definite you or anyone up else is nit involved in what's going on behind the scenes so no we don't know there house isnt in order! So stop acting like you know what you don't!

 

[Consona]

Beyond bored with the original thought of "WB doesn't have a plan".

How many times does it have to be pointed out that just because you personally aren't in on the details of a plan, that doesn't mean there isn't one.

WB's plan is to make DC characters into movies and TV shows and DTV videos. They're making adjustments based on market responses.

That's a completely normal business practice, and smart business as well.

But if you think Warner Brothers, at the outset of all this, didn't think for instance that Nightwing was a character worth pursuing in some fashion, you haven't been paying attention to what those at the top were saying from the word go about the dozens of characters worth making movies and TV shows out of. You haven't been paying attention to projects that have been in actual development and shopped to networks (TITANS TV show, featuring Nightwing).

NIGHTWING isn't a magical new project that appeared overnight. You're hearing about it now because hype for Batman and his world, and especially his family, is high after the LEGO Batman movie and the situation with THE BATMAN.

But odds are pretty good that NIGHTWING was not a random project they haven't been thinking about until JUST NOW, any more than GOTHAM CITY SIRENS was a project no one had been talking about or developing (a Harley Quinn solo was rumored to be in development prior to SUICIDE SQUAD being released).

I don't think some people here understand the first thing about how business or the creative process actually works. Plans change. Adjustments are made. Not every aspect of every business or creative decision is always set in stone or revealed to the public. It just doesn't work that way.

Firm plans that start off concrete and never change and never alter...with the exception of release dates, that's just not a realistic thing from the time development of a film begins. Not with WB, not with most movie studios, and not with the MCU either. Creative projects change in a myriad of ways all the time. And the public is not privy to most of what goes on behind the scenes. It's just laughable to believe otherwise.

Agreed.

Plus I find very funny when I read some posters writting about who is responsible for what, etc. Noone of us knows what's going on behind the scenes, who talks with whom, who persuaded whom to make something some way and not the other, if some particular idea was director's idea or writer's or idea of some actor right on the set or producer, etc. It's an opaque area for us and it's a complicated process to make a film, yet some people here don't have any problem explaining how, who, when and why about these projects.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

All I know for sure is that there is only one man that can scoop out all the rats, and that's El Mayimbe.

 

[Micromind]

I can understand why Affleck decided to step down as a director of batman, he was totally invested in his last movie "Live by Night" and was exhausted by acting, producing, directing it and doing promotions for that movie, at the same time he was in Batman V Superman and Suicide Squad, after "Live By Night" flopped, he must have felt mentally exhausted too.

Add to that problems he is currently facing in his personal life, his wife may divorce him, so all those problems affected his ability to direct solo Batman movie, which is why he decided to step down, all these problems have nothing to do with Batman movie.

Affleck is still the producer of the movie and is playing Batman in it, and he has written the initial draft of the movie, which was revised by the his trusted writer Chris Terrio. Now, Matt Reeves is in charge and if he rewrites certain parts of the script, he is entitled to do that, Reeves is also a writer.

Only problems we heard was with "Flash" movie, and they are sorting those out. It's worth noting that there are no problems in production of WW, JL and James Wan's Aquaman.

It's a "mess" narrative is exaggerated and overblown out of it's proportion.

 

[Erzengel]

It's a "mess" narrative is exaggerated and overblown out of it's proportion.

I'm sure they have movies coming out but after Aquaman which is only 20 months away, there's no "official" release date for any of the 15 DCEU movies they've announced including ones they have actors, directors, screenwriters for.

I wouldn't call it a mess, but when the back half of the movies you originally announced are pushed back to an undetermined date, I would say that's at least not positive.

 

[Flint Marko]

How many times can plans change before we admit that there wasn't a solid plan to begin with, or that the plan is "just throw **** at the wall and hope something sticks"? As long as WB keeps making notable adjustments to their slate, the idea that they don't have a plan will continue on, and for good reason.

 

[Grommers]

I think Warner Brothers is kind of waiting to see what Marvel does - think what Marvel did too them last time..they changed Civil War's date to match B vs S...

Warner Brothers rather think of there movie first and what will gather the most financial income for them, because competing the two sides are not a good idea for either company. Since Marvel probably has a lot less flexibility since they aren't just competing with there own movies, they have to adhere to Disney policy as well..where as warner brothers has control over everything including there other movies.

I honestly doubt they don't have tentative dates in there books, but want to keep it flexible enough - and can you imagine if they kept coming out with constant changes how much media would spin it and say its because they "don't have there **** together."

 

[Erzengel]

I think if it is the whole wait and see that would mean major gaps between releases or at the least 1 film a year.

 

[Drseuss]

2017 WW, JL
2018 Aquaman, JLD
2019-2020 Batman, GCS, SS2, Flash, MoS2, Nightwing

 

[batfreakforever]

Doesnt matter what new movie WB announce as long as the final product is good.
You can debate about the quality of the first 3 films but there is a demand for these films. Box office shows that with each new film.
Nightwing is a very popular character and having close ties to Batman and his world will bring in more people to discover Nightwing's world/story. That's easy marketing.
If you have a good story and director it doesnt matter which character it is.
Gotham City Sirens is a great one.
An all female Superhero/Villian movie than also has ties to Batman's world.

More female characters/stories need to be explored in these films and DC can do that with their property.

Look at it. Batgirl. Catwoman. Ivy and now Harley. That's just afew and they are already big characters that most people know with massive ties to Batman's world which will help bring in more people too.

You can argue about that WB should do another solo Superman film but they dont want that as of yet because they want him for Justice League films then maybe after those they will make another solo Superman film.

Batman in BvS was very popular with fans and critics and they demanded a solo Batfilm with this Batman. So this new Bat solo film makes sense too. Now they have Matt Reeves who has made the critically acclaimed and box office hits apes films as the new Bat director.

Aquaman already had a good response from what little people have seen in the DCEU from his cameo in BvS to the casting of Jason. Aquaman and his world is a very untapped world in these films and even in Marvels universe of films like underwater worlds and such.

DC are doing something untapped which is great and you have a fantastic director with James Wan. He can do action and story.

Wonder Woman is a no brainer with her film. Its been a very long time coming for her big fanbase and her response in BvS was another very big positive for her even though this solo was planned before BvS. They tested the waters and it paid off leading up to her solo film.

The Flash film isnt in trouble. Like every other film in the history of film WB just need to find the right director for the job and they just have'nt found one yet. People drop out. Just like Affleck did as director of The Batman. He wasnt right for the job as he puts it. The Flash has just a little worse luck in finding a director thats all. All in good time.

Shazam/Black Adam has the Rock. So thats probably a hit already just because of him and his track record. With him in any way, shape or form in the DCEU is a big plus for the DCEU and WB. The Rock has a vey massive fanbase and great box office track record and makes entertaining films. Smart move WB/DC. Smart move. Imagine him mixing with other hero's and villians. The draw would be huge.

BvS theatrical release may of got bad reviews and not got the box office WB wanted but it still made alot of coin and the ultimate cut got a much better response in improving some aspects that some people didnt like in the other cut. That cut was WB fault. Not Zac. You cut 30 min out and there is bound to be problems with the story that he wanted to tell. You can argue what was wrong but the response for the ultimate cut was a positive one.

Man of Steel was a massive hit (regardless of what you personally think of the film) and WB decided to lead with that. Some didnt like that but you have to start somewhere.

SS made big money annnnnnd now an oscar. Regardless of what it won for its still an oscar and that beat everyone else in hollywood in that field. The sequel now has Mel Gibson as a potential director. People complain that the DCEU needs improving with the technical side of things and Mel is an outstanding director with critically acclaimed films and has a few oscars too. Its a win if WB can get him.

Looks like WB are trying to impove the quality/box office of the films with getting these acclaimed directors and actors with the next lot of planned films. The DCEU is looking great looking ahead.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Doesnt matter what new movie WB announce as long as the final product is good.
You can debate about the quality of the first 3 films but there is a demand for these films. Box office shows that with each new film.
Nightwing is a very popular character and having close ties to Batman and his world will bring in more people to discover Nightwing's world/story. That's easy marketing.
If you have a good story and director it doesnt matter which character it is.
Gotham City Sirens is a great one.
An all female Superhero/Villian movie than also has ties to Batman's world.

More female characters/stories need to be explored in these films and DC can do that with their property.

Look at it. Batgirl. Catwoman. Ivy and now Harley. That's just afew and they are already big characters that most people know with massive ties to Batman's world which will help bring in more people too.

You can argue about that WB should do another solo Superman film but they dont want that as of yet because they want him for Justice League films then maybe after those they will make another solo Superman film.

Batman in BvS was very popular with fans and critics and they demanded a solo Batfilm with this Batman. So this new Bat solo film makes sense too. Now they have Matt Reeves who has made the critically acclaimed and box office hits apes films as the new Bat director.

Aquaman already had a good response from what little people have seen in the DCEU from his cameo in BvS to the casting of Jason. Aquaman and his world is a very untapped world in these films and even in Marvels universe of films like underwater worlds and such.

DC are doing something untapped which is great and you have a fantastic director with James Wan. He can do action and story.

Wonder Woman is a no brainer with her film. Its been a very long time coming for her big fanbase and her response in BvS was another very big positive for her even though this solo was planned before BvS. They tested the waters and it paid off leading up to her solo film.

The Flash film isnt in trouble. Like every other film in the history of film WB just need to find the right director for the job and they just have'nt found one yet. People drop out. Just like Affleck did as director of The Batman. He wasnt right for the job as he puts it. The Flash has just a little worse luck in finding a director thats all. All in good time.

Shazam/Black Adam has the Rock. So thats probably a hit already just because of him and his track record. With him in any way, shape or form in the DCEU is a big plus for the DCEU and WB. The Rock has a vey massive fanbase and great box office track record and makes entertaining films. Smart move WB/DC. Smart move. Imagine him mixing with other hero's and villians. The draw would be huge.

BvS theatrical release may of got bad reviews and not got the box office WB wanted but it still made alot of coin and the ultimate cut got a much better response in improving some aspects that some people didnt like in the other cut. That cut was WB fault. Not Zac. You cut 30 min out and there is bound to be problems with the story that he wanted to tell. You can argue what was wrong but the response for the ultimate cut was a positive one.

Man of Steel was a massive hit (regardless of what you personally think of the film) and WB decided to lead with that. Some didnt like that but you have to start somewhere.

SS made big money annnnnnd now an oscar. Regardless of what it won for its still an oscar and that beat everyone else in hollywood in that field. The sequel now has Mel Gibson as a potential director. People complain that the DCEU needs improving with the technical side of things and Mel is an outstanding director with critically acclaimed films and has a few oscars too. Its a win if WB can get him.

Looks like WB are trying to impove the quality/box office of the films with getting these acclaimed directors and actors with the next lot of planned films. The DCEU is looking great looking ahead.

Loving the positivity in this post, thank you

 

[The Guard]

Re: THE FLASH. This is a project that, even before the existence of the DCEU, has been a particularly tough nut to crack. filmwise. There have been several attempts at it in the past decade or so. They're clearly trying to get it right. I don't consider that a bad thing.

 

[Jekecy]

Re: THE FLASH. This is a project that, even before the existence of the DCEU, has been a particularly tough nut to crack. filmwise. There have been several attempts at it in the past decade or so. They're clearly trying to get it right. I don't consider that a bad thing.

The “bad” thing is announcing a confirmed director and months later subsequently announcing their departure. It’s one thing for a film to be in perpetual development hell, which has its own various stages of activity.

It’s entirely another to have a director signed on, presumably on the basis the most basic foundations on character and narrative have been agreed upon between the creator and studio. To have a fallout, multiple times, is outright disastrous. There’s no other way to frame that, and is what causes so much concern from the fanbase.

 

[Greenlite]

Not sure why people like to continue labeling the new direction a mess.

Last year we had Flash director changes, BvS fall out and SS interference, and Affleck decided to step down in November.

In December we have a new regime under Toby Emmerich, this is what he has done in 3 months,

1) Create BCU for stable incomes for DCEU - GCS (reconcile with Ayer, or if you want to be negative - chuck a bunch of cash at him, Nightwing)
2) Clean up the Affleck mess
3) Sign Reeves
4) Going after Mel Gibson
5) Bring Goyer back for GLC
6) Bring a new writer for Flash
7) Get The Rock on board, got his endorsement, and talk to Shazam director candidates. AND hint Superman v Rock

So if the new president want to prioritize BCU, that means other project from the old regime gets pushed back, that's a plan, that's direction.

It's quite clear, it's not a mess, it's called a plan that fans like, or dislike, but even I, as a fan, can see what they are doing. You might call it "Toby cleaning up the mess", that's a fair assessment.

I can see they are publicly developing - WW, JL, AM, Bat, GCS, GLC, Flash, Nightwing, SS2, BA/Shazam. 10 projects, 2 coming out this year, 1 starts filming in 2 months. So really 7 in development stage.

Forget about Cyborg, Booster Gold, JLD at this stage, they are not from Emmerich. Fans can't add the leftovers from the previous meal to the new meal, they might get fresh vegies and meat for the meals retained in the new menu, but you can't mix the old with the new like this.

 

[BH/HHH]

Doesnt matter what new movie WB announce as long as the final product is good.
You can debate about the quality of the first 3 films but there is a demand for these films. Box office shows that with each new film.
Nightwing is a very popular character and having close ties to Batman and his world will bring in more people to discover Nightwing's world/story. That's easy marketing.
If you have a good story and director it doesnt matter which character it is.
Gotham City Sirens is a great one.
An all female Superhero/Villian movie than also has ties to Batman's world.

More female characters/stories need to be explored in these films and DC can do that with their property.

Look at it. Batgirl. Catwoman. Ivy and now Harley. That's just afew and they are already big characters that most people know with massive ties to Batman's world which will help bring in more people too.

You can argue about that WB should do another solo Superman film but they dont want that as of yet because they want him for Justice League films then maybe after those they will make another solo Superman film.

Batman in BvS was very popular with fans and critics and they demanded a solo Batfilm with this Batman. So this new Bat solo film makes sense too. Now they have Matt Reeves who has made the critically acclaimed and box office hits apes films as the new Bat director.

Aquaman already had a good response from what little people have seen in the DCEU from his cameo in BvS to the casting of Jason. Aquaman and his world is a very untapped world in these films and even in Marvels universe of films like underwater worlds and such.

DC are doing something untapped which is great and you have a fantastic director with James Wan. He can do action and story.

Wonder Woman is a no brainer with her film. Its been a very long time coming for her big fanbase and her response in BvS was another very big positive for her even though this solo was planned before BvS. They tested the waters and it paid off leading up to her solo film.

The Flash film isnt in trouble. Like every other film in the history of film WB just need to find the right director for the job and they just have'nt found one yet. People drop out. Just like Affleck did as director of The Batman. He wasnt right for the job as he puts it. The Flash has just a little worse luck in finding a director thats all. All in good time.

Shazam/Black Adam has the Rock. So thats probably a hit already just because of him and his track record. With him in any way, shape or form in the DCEU is a big plus for the DCEU and WB. The Rock has a vey massive fanbase and great box office track record and makes entertaining films. Smart move WB/DC. Smart move. Imagine him mixing with other hero's and villians. The draw would be huge.

BvS theatrical release may of got bad reviews and not got the box office WB wanted but it still made alot of coin and the ultimate cut got a much better response in improving some aspects that some people didnt like in the other cut. That cut was WB fault. Not Zac. You cut 30 min out and there is bound to be problems with the story that he wanted to tell. You can argue what was wrong but the response for the ultimate cut was a positive one.

Man of Steel was a massive hit (regardless of what you personally think of the film) and WB decided to lead with that. Some didnt like that but you have to start somewhere.

SS made big money annnnnnd now an oscar. Regardless of what it won for its still an oscar and that beat everyone else in hollywood in that field. The sequel now has Mel Gibson as a potential director. People complain that the DCEU needs improving with the technical side of things and Mel is an outstanding director with critically acclaimed films and has a few oscars too. Its a win if WB can get him.

Looks like WB are trying to impove the quality/box office of the films with getting these acclaimed directors and actors with the next lot of planned films. The DCEU is looking great looking ahead.

Great post

You know regarding your part about MOS2 I'm actually starting to come round to the idea that they wait on that. If Superman is to appear in Black Adam/Shazam and Justice League 2 it makes sense to wait. Also I actually think if they're thinking of maybe doing Brainiac then doing that in Justice League makes way more sense to me than a solo Supes sequel.

 

[Drseuss]

Doesnt matter what new movie WB announce as long as the final product is good.
You can debate about the quality of the first 3 films but there is a demand for these films. Box office shows that with each new film.
Nightwing is a very popular character and having close ties to Batman and his world will bring in more people to discover Nightwing's world/story. That's easy marketing.
If you have a good story and director it doesnt matter which character it is.
Gotham City Sirens is a great one.
An all female Superhero/Villian movie than also has ties to Batman's world.

More female characters/stories need to be explored in these films and DC can do that with their property.

Look at it. Batgirl. Catwoman. Ivy and now Harley. That's just afew and they are already big characters that most people know with massive ties to Batman's world which will help bring in more people too.

You can argue about that WB should do another solo Superman film but they dont want that as of yet because they want him for Justice League films then maybe after those they will make another solo Superman film.

Batman in BvS was very popular with fans and critics and they demanded a solo Batfilm with this Batman. So this new Bat solo film makes sense too. Now they have Matt Reeves who has made the critically acclaimed and box office hits apes films as the new Bat director.

Aquaman already had a good response from what little people have seen in the DCEU from his cameo in BvS to the casting of Jason. Aquaman and his world is a very untapped world in these films and even in Marvels universe of films like underwater worlds and such.

DC are doing something untapped which is great and you have a fantastic director with James Wan. He can do action and story.

Wonder Woman is a no brainer with her film. Its been a very long time coming for her big fanbase and her response in BvS was another very big positive for her even though this solo was planned before BvS. They tested the waters and it paid off leading up to her solo film.

The Flash film isnt in trouble. Like every other film in the history of film WB just need to find the right director for the job and they just have'nt found one yet. People drop out. Just like Affleck did as director of The Batman. He wasnt right for the job as he puts it. The Flash has just a little worse luck in finding a director thats all. All in good time.

Shazam/Black Adam has the Rock. So thats probably a hit already just because of him and his track record. With him in any way, shape or form in the DCEU is a big plus for the DCEU and WB. The Rock has a vey massive fanbase and great box office track record and makes entertaining films. Smart move WB/DC. Smart move. Imagine him mixing with other hero's and villians. The draw would be huge.

BvS theatrical release may of got bad reviews and not got the box office WB wanted but it still made alot of coin and the ultimate cut got a much better response in improving some aspects that some people didnt like in the other cut. That cut was WB fault. Not Zac. You cut 30 min out and there is bound to be problems with the story that he wanted to tell. You can argue what was wrong but the response for the ultimate cut was a positive one.

Man of Steel was a massive hit (regardless of what you personally think of the film) and WB decided to lead with that. Some didnt like that but you have to start somewhere.

SS made big money annnnnnd now an oscar. Regardless of what it won for its still an oscar and that beat everyone else in hollywood in that field. The sequel now has Mel Gibson as a potential director. People complain that the DCEU needs improving with the technical side of things and Mel is an outstanding director with critically acclaimed films and has a few oscars too. Its a win if WB can get him.

Looks like WB are trying to impove the quality/box office of the films with getting these acclaimed directors and actors with the next lot of planned films. The DCEU is looking great looking ahead.

A lot of good points.
WW and Aquaman will also get sequels too.

 

[BH/HHH]

A lot of good points.
WW and Aquaman will also get sequels too.

I think it will be dependent on their reception both critically and financially. Justice League 2 is in the same boat too I'd say.

 

[The Guard]

The “bad” thing is announcing a confirmed director and months later subsequently announcing their departure. It’s one thing for a film to be in perpetual development hell, which has its own various stages of activity.

It’s entirely another to have a director signed on, presumably on the basis the most basic foundations on character and narrative have been agreed upon between the creator and studio. To have a fallout, multiple times, is outright disastrous. There’s no other way to frame that, and is what causes so much concern from the fanbase.

It's only bad if you insist on viewing it as bad, and insist on believing that the directors who left were the absolute best choice or good choices for the project. Which many questioned even when they were announced, and which, in the case of Affleck, Affleck himself questioned.

What "fallout" are you referring to, exactly?

 

[The Guard]

Forget about Cyborg, Booster Gold, JLD at this stage, they are not from Emmerich.

CYBORG will depend on how well the character is received. That should have been obvious from Day One.

A Booster Gold film will have a smaller budget, and be an action comedy. It's a safer bet in general, and I expect it will happen sooner or later, this is not the first time they've discussed it, and they were developing a TV show previously (much like TITANS).

JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK has an actual director attached. It's been a project the studio has been interested in for almost a decade now.

Fans can't add the leftovers from the previous meal to the new meal, they might get fresh vegies and meat for the meals retained in the new menu, but you can't mix the old with the new like this.

Why, exactly?

The "old" is just other heroes.

The "new" is just more of Batman's universe, which was half the basis of the "old" anyway.