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"Batman and Robin meet their criminal twins, Wrath and Scorn, a dynamic duo dedicated to helping villains. Matters get even more complicated when Batman and Wrath uncover each other's secret identity. Guest characters include a cavalcade of villainy: Joker, Penguin, Ventriloquist, Killer Croc and Wrath/Will Mallory & Scorn/Andy Mallory."

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Wow,they are gonna have The Wrath on there,awesome,never thought I would see him on a Batman animated Show :up:
 
this episode looks pretty cool.
 
The only problem is that Scorn and Wrath is not red. Other than that its cool.
 
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Penguin: I shoulda gone to Riddler's Superbowl party...
 
Joker needs to buy some damn shoes.

The rest looks interesting. Considering Wrath looks like he was shopping in the same aile as Catman used to, his design looks pretty good. Hopefully this will be a knockout episode.

Naturally, having a criminal who is the other end of the coin as Batman could be interesting (and to those not in the know, Wrath pre-dated Morrison's similar creation, Prometheus, by over a decade).
 
Joker needs to buy some damn shoes.

The rest looks interesting. Considering Wrath looks like he was shopping in the same aile as Catman used to, his design looks pretty good. Hopefully this will be a knockout episode.

Naturally, having a criminal who is the other end of the coin as Batman could be interesting (and to those not in the know, Wrath pre-dated Morrison's similar creation, Prometheus, by over a decade).
Agreed
 
I dunno why you people keep insisting that. The bare feet keep it crazy.
 
I've got the comic that The Wrath first appeared in. It was a great story but this kinda looks dumb with this Scorn character. :(

The comic never had Scorn in it and if you ask me they could have left him out of the cartoon too.
 
Sounds interesting. Hopefully this will be better then the episodes during this crappy season.
 
As much as I hate to say it, this one is going to be a let down...Think about it...

D.A.V.E already worked out that bruce wayne was batman back in season three

Since the beginning of the show, batman has faced a

clayface doppelganger
poison ivy plant doppelganger
mirror master dopelganger

and now he's facing a bizzarro version of himself

We've seen all these premises before but unfortunately it's going to affect what should be an really great story.
 
Wish they had the red for Wrath like in the comics.
 
As much as I hate to say it, this one is going to be a let down...Think about it...

D.A.V.E already worked out that bruce wayne was batman back in season three

Since the beginning of the show, batman has faced a

clayface doppelganger
poison ivy plant doppelganger
mirror master dopelganger

and now he's facing a bizzarro version of himself

We've seen all these premises before but unfortunately it's going to affect what should be an really great story.

I have forgotten all those episodes and probably only watched them when they first aired, so this episode will be "new" to me (somewhat).
 
As much as I hate to say it, this one is going to be a let down...Think about it...

D.A.V.E already worked out that bruce wayne was batman back in season three

Since the beginning of the show, batman has faced a

clayface doppelganger
poison ivy plant doppelganger
mirror master dopelganger

and now he's facing a bizzarro version of himself

We've seen all these premises before but unfortunately it's going to affect what should be an really great story.
That is a good point. Still, this story has potential because Wrath ISN'T simply a Batman-clone. He is someone whose origin bore parallels to Batman, only in the reverse. If written well, it could surpass the other episodes.

Of course, if written poorly...
 
Wish they had the red for Wrath like in the comics.

He does have red. Look at his cape and cowl.

They changed the color of the clothing to orange, because, let's face it, his coloring in the comics was a mess.
 
That is a good point. Still, this story has potential because Wrath ISN'T simply a Batman-clone. He is someone whose origin bore parallels to Batman, only in the reverse. If written well, it could surpass the other episodes.

Of course, if written poorly...
They should have tapped into their continuity and used the mirror master clones to fill in these characters

batman and robin don't defeat them and because they are programmed to be opposites (without knowing their own past), they happen to fabricate one up that is insanely close to bruce's.

Also because the mirror master has no idea what batman looks like, his doppel ganger has a unique looking face about him (without the mask).

That would have been cool to see a reoccurring adversary that could take bats.

The only problem The batman has had is that it has yet to truelly show a foe that batman couldn't take in a physical confrontation 'martial arts style'. You get the impression when it comes to ass kicking, batman is in his element, especially against someone who can see into the future (shown in seconds of last season).

If matsuda was still around and this was a season four episode and scorn wasn't there, I would be fairly pleased but alas
 
Good idea, but I expect bad execution. I'm starting to think the awesomeness of the last season was a fluke. It looked like they were starting to focus on story more and less on action, but with this season, it's been the opposite.
 
They should have tapped into their continuity and used the mirror master clones to fill in these characters

batman and robin don't defeat them and because they are programmed to be opposites (without knowing their own past), they happen to fabricate one up that is insanely close to bruce's.

Also because the mirror master has no idea what batman looks like, his doppel ganger has a unique looking face about him (without the mask).

That would have been cool to see a reoccurring adversary that could take bats.

The only problem The batman has had is that it has yet to truelly show a foe that batman couldn't take in a physical confrontation 'martial arts style'. You get the impression when it comes to ass kicking, batman is in his element, especially against someone who can see into the future (shown in seconds of last season).

If matsuda was still around and this was a season four episode and scorn wasn't there, I would be fairly pleased but alas

That is an interesting idea, using the "mirror clones" from "A Mirror Darkly". THE BATMAN doesn't usually have subplots across a few episodes too often. There was the Bennet/Clayface thing in Season 1, and some bits with Riddler in the second (he was introduced as Gotham's newest freak, and the finale had him battling out Gotham's top two freaks, Joker & Penguin, for turf), and Seasons 3 & 4 usually had sidekick-focused subplots. I think Wrath & Scorn have more potential if written well (and there is the caveat), but it was a good idea.

As for physical prowess, to be fair, in the Timm cartoons and comics, a MAJORITY of Batman's rogues can be subdued with a minimum of physical force; the brains usually have to be used to deduce their criminal patterns and/or escape from their death-traps. As nearly everyone in THE BATMAN has developed fighting skills to some extent, though, they sometimes rely more on that.

There were some episodes where Batman needed to use his brains to survive. But I guess you are saying that even after Batman "figures it all out", there are few foes he can't overpower. I tend to agree, although there have been a few. Batman was almost helpless against D.A.V.E. until he scrambled his logic. He needed to re-direct sunlight to beat Dracula in THE BATMAN VS. DRACULA (the DTV from 2005 which was actually pretty good, although sadly Vicky Vale never made the leap to the series). In theory Bane should be someone who is impossible to beat physically, but between cord-yanks and Bat-Bot's, that isn't the case. Batman usually needs technology to beat Mr. Freeze or Clayface. Maxie Zeus was formidable. But, you could argue the same for the comics, too.

Sometimes in the comics, and it bleeds into the cartoons, Batman sometimes is seperated into different "modes". I call them "Stubborn Karate Man" and "Omnipotent Gadget Guy". They are self-explanatory. Sometimes Batman will resort to martial arts and nothing more to beat a rogue, even past the point where it should be obvious another trick is needed, often for dramatic effect (I can't count how many times Batman has resorted to fistcuffs with Killer Croc in the comics when at this point he should just gas 'em). And other times, he seems to have more trinkets than Iron Man & Inspector Gadget combined, prep-timing any threat. The trick is blending the two "modes" as well as remembering that at heart, Batman is supposed to be a Dark Knight Detective, too. It is a struggle, even for the best writers.

I am willing to give this a chance.

Good idea, but I expect bad execution. I'm starting to think the awesomeness of the last season was a fluke. It looked like they were starting to focus on story more and less on action, but with this season, it's been the opposite.

I wouldn't blame all of Season 4's mediocrity on the loss of Matsuda; he was around the first 3 seasons and those had full of underachieving moments. Greg Wiesman wrote a few episodes last season, but he has left to pen SPECTATCULAR SPIDER-MAN. We also don't have episodes by Stan Berkowitz or Paul Dini this season (they each wrote an episode last season). These three writers alone wrote nearly half of the last season.

I see Season 5 as more network/corporate driven; they want to push out a JUSTICE LEAGUE movie before Marvel rolles out an AVENGERS one, at least back when Season 4 & 5 were being planned, so I am sure the idea was to re-introduce kids to the Justice League with Batman. Granted, neither Aquaman or Wonder Woman are in THE BATMAN despite both being planned for the now-stalled JL film. Frankly I think the lack of ANY female heroines besides the teenage Batgirl robbed a chance at some fun dynamics for some of the JL team-up's.
 
Dread I first mentioned the mirror darkly dudes way back when that episode was first aired, Someone has deleted the thread so i am unable to get the exact post back but i wish they would have gone with something along those lines.

The problem with the Batman is completley summed up by the episode of the first season, The big heat

Bat's has problems with firefly and can't take him because of his tech, so batman builds his own tech and manages to finally ground him, once on the final rooftop, Batman beats the living **** out of him.

Even in seconds a man who could see into the future couldn't beat him

EVEN IN RUMOURS with every single batman rogue in the room, he kung-fu's his way out of it.

I understand that he can be overpowered by people with powers but i am specifically talking about fighting prowess and there is no one to have shown like kyaidoken that batman has an equal on the battlfield. Not one combatant.

This series was supposed to highlight his early days as bats in the beginning but the only thing that he hasn't improved on over the years is his fighting which can be said has been flawless since he started.

I would just like to see him worried about actually fighting someone man to man. I guess Night of the Ninja just had a really big impact on me.
 
Even in Seconds a man who could see into the future couldn't beat him

Actually, this was the only time Batman actually was defeated, but the villain realized he had killed his own son, so he went back to his very first crime and undid everything. So technically, Batman didn't defeat him.
 
Probably the best episode of this season. Cute little twist at the end too.
 
Actually, this was the only time Batman actually was defeated, but the villain realized he had killed his own son, so he went back to his very first crime and undid everything. So technically, Batman didn't defeat him.
Dude, I meant in combat, not in the actual situation. I get the episode but my point was about the dude being able to reverse time to pre-empt batman's moves and still managed to lose to a physical confrontation.
 
Probably the best episode of this season. Cute little twist at the end too.

I thought it was ok. I know it's only a half hour show, but too many plot holes for my taste. I mean, why are Bruce and Dick hanging out with these two guys we've never heard of before? I mean, they weren't rich were they? If their parents were known jewel thieves, then that doesn't mean they would inherit what they stole. And the ending was such a deus ex machina. I've never liked the idea that whenever someone figures out Batman's identity, they keep it to themselves instead of immediately telling someone.

And so it would betray Batman to let Wrath go, but when Wrath's been poisoned, instead of trying to help him, he immediately leaves to chase after Joker?
 
I liked the episode. I know the ending was deus ex machina, but it's a kids show so I'll let it slide. It was probably one of the better episodes this season, IMO.
 

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