The 'Gitmo' Situation

[kainedamo]

A top governemnt official describes the suicide as "a good PR move". Base commander describes it as "an act of war".

Here's a bunch of dudes that have never had access to lawyers, a chance to defend themselves in court, haven't had any contact with family or friends.

Navy Rear Admiral Harry Harris, commander of the Guantánamo detention camp, has told reporters that the suicides were a coordinated attempt to spark international outrage against the US. "They have no regard for human life. Neither ours nor their own," he said. "I believe this was not an act of desperation but an act of asymmetric warfare against us."

Others disagree.

"I think it is people who have no hope, detained indefinitely, without rights," says Harold Koh, an international law expert and dean of Yale Law School. "We're really in the last days of a dying policy," Mr. Koh says. "This is just another sad sign."

What a disgrace this prison is. How can the US possibly get away with running this insane place?

 

[Carter]

Because we own the planet, now be quiet.

 

[Kritish]

I really don't give a **** about those guys.

 

[kainedamo]

Some socialist you are.

 

[Kritish]

Some socialist you are.

They aren't Americans. They aren't even protected with the Geneva convention. US prisoners commit suicide all the time.

 

[kainedamo]

They aren't Americans.

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Why exactly does that matter?? You have to share a person's nationality now to feel for their cause? Like I said, some socialist you are.

 

[Kritish]

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Why exactly does that matter?? You have to share a person's nationality now to feel for their cause? Like I said, some socialist you are.

The Geneva convention only applies to POW's. They aren't POWs.

 

[bored]

Going the 'enemy combatants' route, Kritish?

 

[kainedamo]

Who cares about that? You don't care about them because they don't fit inside some technicalities??

They. Have. Not. Had. A. Trial.

If they ain't POWs, what are they?

 

[Kritish]

Who cares about that? You don't care about them because they don't fit inside some technicalities??

They. Have. Not. Had. A. Trial.

If they ain't POWs, what are they?

We don't have to give them a trial.

 

[kainedamo]

We don't have to give them a trial.

You are not a socialist. Go home and think about your life.

I really don't care about what the laws and conventions have to say, what Guantanamo Bay is is wrong. When a man can be taken and thrown in prison indefinately without ever even speaking to a lawyer, that is wrong. As a human being, it disgusts me. As a human being, I care and take notice when these poor suckers have to resort to commiting suicide.

As a human being, you should care too. What's this "wait, what are the technicalities and the laws before I decide where to stand morally" nonsense?

 

[Tyrinus]

They commited suicide...it was their decision, therefore...who cares.

3 people + nooses = World - 3 dumbasses

 

[Leto Atrides]

You are not a socialist. Go home and think about your life.

I really don't care about what the laws and conventions have to say, what Guantanamo Bay is is wrong. When a man can be taken and thrown in prison indefinately without ever even speaking to a lawyer, that is wrong. As a human being, it disgusts me. As a human being, I care and take notice when these poor suckers have to resort to commiting suicide.

As a human being, you should care too. What's this "wait, what are the technicalities and the laws before I decide where to stand morally" nonsense?

Who's to say that anyone should have to care about anyone else? Besides, they didn't necessarily "have to resort to suicide", they did it of their own volition. You don't know why they did it. There are many reasons.

Also, if, as it seems, you are saying that because he's not a socialist because he doesn't oppose that, that's not exactly true. Socialism is an economic and political philosophy first and foremost, not morality-based.

 

[kainedamo]

Politically and philosophically, he is not a socialist. Not necasserily because of this issue, but because of his "they're not american" and "they don't have to have a trial" comments.

 

[Emrys]

Who's to say that anyone should have to care about anyone else? Besides, they didn't necessarily "have to resort to suicide", .

Oh, not? What other options would have been there?

 

[logan_weapon_x]

****in' hippies, man!

 

[Leto Atrides]

Politically and philosophically, he is not a socialist. Not necasserily because of this issue, but because of his "they're not american" and "they don't have to have a trial" comments.

Alright, I thought you were saying he wasn't a socialist because he doesn't care about others, or something.

Oh, not? What other options would have been there?

I meant, desperation wasn't neccessarily their reason for doing it. There could have been other reasons. Trying to martyr themselves to further their cause, something like that. I'll admit, their only other option was to just stay in imprisonment indefinitely. I'm just saying, they could have had various lines of reasoning behind doing this.

 

[Emrys]

I meant, desperation wasn't neccessarily their reason for doing it. There could have been other reasons. Trying to martyr themselves to further their cause, something like that. I'll admit, their only other option was to just stay in imprisonment indefinitely. I'm just saying, they could have had various lines of reasoning behind doing this.

Possible however I, if I would have been in a similar situation would have done the same, probably even sooner.

 

[celldog]

That's 3 guys that won't be flying planes into our skyscrapers.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

What the hell does that even mean?

When's the last time there was a terrorist attack on American soil...oh yeah...five years ago. It's not like they would be doing anything like that even if they didn't commit suicide...they were incarcerated.

 

[Carter]

Well, frankly I'm glad they're dead

 

[kainedamo]

That's 3 guys that won't be flying planes into our skyscrapers.

What Sarge said. Plus, the 3 guys never had a trial. Actually, what you said is dumb on soooooooooooooo many levels. There is not one logical thougt that went into your statement.

 

[Emrys]

That's 3 guys that won't be flying planes into our skyscrapers.

proof me that they would have.

 

[kainedamo]

What Celldog said is as stupid as me going out and killing 3 random Catholics, and saying "there's 3 guys that won't be boming Omagh!".

 

[Abaddon]