THE International Baccalaureate PROGRAM IN SCHOOLS does not motivate students to act

[Dreadstar]

The International Baccalaureate® (IB) offers high quality programes of international education to a worldwide community of schools.

This is a BS program. All it is is a make work program. If one of the goals of IB is getting students to take action, THEN IT IS FAILING!

WHY HAS THIS NOT CREATED GENERATIONS OF KIDS THAT GET OUT AND VOTE? A SIMPLE THING YET VOTER APATHY IS HIGH!

The example given in their manual is:

a parent is running the water to get it hot for their kids bath. The kid runs into the bathroom w/a bucket and fills it with the water that is going down the drain. He says , when questioned by his mom, that he is saving the water to give the garden a drink! LOL

What if they live in an apartment? What if they live in a ghetto? What if they live where there is no garden?

What if they live in a building where utilities are part of your rent, so they run the water all the time and waste it because they do not pay for it directly?

SO, HOW CAN ANYONE SAY THIS IB CRAP IS WORKING? I would say it works for those that already have internal motivation. But then again, anything would work for them.

It all comes down to a kids internal motivation. Thats it. Either they have it or not. NO program is going to change that.

 

[Alex The Great]

You got links to prove all your facts? Or are you just joining this website to post this ****?

 

[SuperFerret]

I've taken two things from your post.

One, you're in a far too emotional state to format your ideas coherently, which is fine, it happens to the best of us.

Two, you seem to expect educational examples to apply to everyone ever, which is unrealistic.

 

[Hound55]

The example given in their manual is:

a parent is running the water to get it hot for their kids bath. The kid runs into the bathroom w/a bucket and fills it with the water that is going down the drain. He says , when questioned by his mom, that he is saving the water to give the garden a drink! LOL

What if they live in an apartment? What if they live in a ghetto? What if they live where there is no garden?

What if they live in a building where utilities are part of your rent, so they run the water all the time and waste it because they do not pay for it directly?

I'd probably try and formulate a response to this but I'm not even sure what it is exactly that you're saying...

 

[Alex The Great]

Also, Vote apathy is bad in the US? Huh, its real bad up here

 

[SuperFerret]

I still maintain that vote apathy is good, but that's for another thread perhaps.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

The original post makes absolutely no sense. I'd suspect a spammer hacked Dreadstar's account, but there's no link to sell us anything.

 

[Alex The Great]

That's what I was wondering. Oh well. Close thread mods

 

[Karem-Knight]

How about just we wait for the OP to just edit his post more coherently, instead of just closing the thread?

 

[Carcharodon]

It sounds like a pissy high school student upset that IB coursework involves significantly more effort and time than they had anticipated, to be honest.

 

[Dreadstar]

IB is just like this "great" initiative in business:

ISO 9000 is a family of standards for quality management systems. ISO 9000 is maintained by ISO, the International Organization for Standardization and is administered by accreditation and certification bodies. The rules are updated, as the requirements motivate changes over time. Some of the requirements in ISO 9001:2008 (which is one of the standards in the ISO 9000 family) include

a set of procedures that cover all key processes in the business;
monitoring processes to ensure they are effective;
keeping adequate records;
checking output for defects, with appropriate and corrective action where necessary;
regularly reviewing individual processes and the quality system itself for effectiveness; and
facilitating continual improvement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9000


No one follows the above. Each business does things in their own fashion. Business follow the best practices that suit their particular needs.

The IB program in schools, especially elementary and junior high, is a make work program. Thats about it. AT the high school level I can see it working. Not at the lower levels. They have developed an IB program for kindergarden.. LMFAO What a waste! IB will fade away as the next flavour of the month educational fade blows through town.

 

[Dreadstar]

Again I say, if one of the stated goals of the IB program is getting kids to take action, then it has failed. If this were true, voter apathy would not be as high as it currently is.

The kids in the 1960s, now there was a generation that took action. These kids today are more concerned about the latest app on the phones that taking action.

IB is a make work program and a waste of time at grades lower than high school.

 

[Hound55]

Are you claiming that it's specifically IB students that are neglecting to take part in the US election process..?

 

[Hound55]

Incidentally, the IB program has only been getting bigger over the years and voter turnout has increased (mid-term to mid-term, full-term to full-term) every election for over a decade... So the numbers don't really suggest it.

 

[SuperFerret]

Please define the following for me:

"Make Work Program"
"take action"

 

[LeperMessiah]

In all honesty, I'd really rather not get involved with this... debate, or discussion, or whatever it is because there are few things more boring for me then talking about the IB.

However, I am an IB student and I find it works great in terms of getting students to take action. I'm just not sure voting would count towards the IB's definition of mandatory action.

See, we have a CAS program, and what that is, is Creativity, Service (interacting with or raising funds for certain groups), and Action (like sports). Every student is required to complete 150 combined hours in those categories.

I've been to two IB school in Singapore and Australia and I've never found anyone who complains about having to that. It seems to foster creativity and ingenuity, allows student to develop a genuine compassion for those in need, and keeps us generally healthy as (most) students tend to get Action hours by joining sports teams, therefore making it a regular part of their life.

That's just my views on it, though. Hope that helps - especially for defining the "take action" like SuperFerret asked. I think that by "Make Work Program" Dreadstar might just be referring to how the quantity and quality of work that the IB demands from its students - which I'll admit can be tough standards to meet even for the best of us.

 

[Carcharodon]

...ISO, the International Organization for Standardization.

IB work MUST be difficult with dyslexia.

Incidentally, the IB program has only been getting bigger over the years and voter turnout has increased (mid-term to mid-term, full-term to full-term) every election for over a decade... So the numbers don't really suggest it.

Lulz.

 

[Dreadstar]

The IB schools you talk of must have an entrance exam. I know somw schools that introduced the IB program in their schools. There are no entrance exams. Anyone that wants their kid to go there can enroll them. So you get kids that should not be in IB. But the parents think it will solve all the problems. The kid will figure it out eventually. So how the hell are they going to benefit if they cannot do the work at their grade level?

And explain to me how IB in kindergarden and the lower grades does those students any good beyond the regular program.

I did say that IB works if there is some sort of filtering process. It works for students that are already active learners. Passive, lazy students are not going to benefit.

 

[Dreadstar]

You also ignored this "great" initiative in business:

ISO 9000 is a family of standards for quality management systems. ISO 9000 is maintained by ISO, the International Organization for Standardization and is administered by accreditation and certification bodies. The rules are updated, as the requirements motivate changes over time. Some of the requirements in ISO 9001:2008 (which is one of the standards in the ISO 9000 family) include

a set of procedures that cover all key processes in the business;
monitoring processes to ensure they are effective;
keeping adequate records;
checking output for defects, with appropriate and corrective action where necessary;
regularly reviewing individual processes and the quality system itself for effectiveness; and
facilitating continual improvement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9000


No one follows the above. Each business does things in their own fashion. Business follow the best practices that suit their particular needs.

Another example is the metric system. Everyone is suppose to follow it, but the USA says "screw you" and they follow the imperial system.

A "make work" program is work that is not necessary. It seems like more work is being done. In reality, it is the same old same old, just re-imagined with fancy words.

If IB is so wonderful, why is it not recognized for credit at a university level? AP high school courses give partial credit. IB does not. MYP stops at grade 10. That should tell you its bs.