The problem with schools

[Tangled Web]

and school systems.

I think a major problem is that so many students who don't want to learn are with students who do want to learn. The school doesn't care they just want attendance numbers to be high. Any one agree? Also, what are some other major problems with schools?

 

[The Question]

One of the big problems is that the schools force kids to learn things that they'll never need to know or aren't ever going to be passionate about to fill a quota. Most kids will never need to learn Algebra. Hell, I've forgotten pretty much everything I learned in Algebra.

 

[Bat Attack]

One of the big problems is that the schools force kids to learn things that they'll never need to know or aren't ever going to be passionate about to fill a quota. Most kids will never need to learn Algebra. Hell, I've forgotten pretty much everything I learned in Algebra.

I hate when the teachers give us bizarre and totally unrealistic examples of how we'll use the things that we don't really need to know later in life.

 

[Jolie_Desastre]

and school systems.

I think a major problem is that so many students who don't want to learn are with students who do want to learn. The school doesn't care they just want attendance numbers to be high. Any one agree? Also, what are some other major problems with schools?

exactly! i was in my spanish 2 class taking a test and no one would shut up! everyone kept on saying, what does this mean? what does this mean? ugh

 

[WilcofanAshes]

Those subjects are taught in order to prepare you incase you'll need them in College. For instance, I'm now at 25 considering higher education in economics and wish I would have retained every bit of knowledge I thought would be worthless in high school.

 

[moop501]

I think one problem is the "unnecessary information" that students have to learn,is ruining some opportunities for some really smart people. Like...getting a "D" or "F" in Chemistry or Physics might prevent some students from getting scholarships or getting into a certain college.

 

[Edd Extraordinaire]

and school systems.

I think a major problem is that so many students who don't want to learn are with students who do want to learn. The school doesn't care they just want attendance numbers to be high. Any one agree? Also, what are some other major problems with schools?

The problem is the dictation. People hate to be dictated to.

 

[The Question]

Those subjects are taught in order to prepare you incase you'll need them in College. For instance, I'm now at 25 considering higher education in economics and wish I would have retained every bit of knowledge I thought would be worthless in high school.

The thing is, not everyone is going for a degree in economics. I'm trying to become a writer. Other people want to do different things. People benefit more when they're self motivated.

 

[The Riddler]

algebra?

you're gonna need some basic form of algebra sooner or later in life; plus the class isn't that advanced.

trig and calculus are incredibly useless enless you're going to be an engineer or something of that sort.

 

[The Question]

you're gonna need some basic form of algebra sooner or later in life;

How?

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I often hear about how when people are kicked,or leave high school its so hard to return.If they want to,i think that the GED should be abolished and people should return to schools if they want to.There should always be a choice,instead of just being shown the doormat out.

It also does not help that a large number of Americans seem to forget more than half of what they learn in school.Something should be done about that also.

 

[Crooklyn]

The thing is, not everyone is going for a degree in economics. I'm trying to become a writer. Other people want to do different things. People benefit more when they're self motivated.

Exactly.

Stuff like biochemistry, calculus, physics, etc. should be saved for college, taught to the kids that actually want/need it for their future. In HS, things should be more focused on general knowledge we'll retain that will be useful in our adult lives.

 

[The Riddler]

How?

it's just part of everyday thought.

 

[StorminNorman]

The main problem with schools is that there is a government controled monopoly on public education. If the government would allow parents to use the thousands of dollars the government pays for a single student to go to any school they wanted - there would be much better success in schools. That would force schools to teach children - or else they lose their customers.

It is the brilliance of capitalism.

 

[Tangled Web]

I think one problem is the "unnecessary information" that students have to learn,is ruining some opportunities for some really smart people. Like...getting a "D" or "F" in Chemistry or Physics might prevent some students from getting scholarships or getting into a certain college.

I know exactly what you mean. Some bull**** math class from Sophmore is going to end up biting me in the ass when I apply for college. Now I make sure to do all of my homework even if I don't believe in it.

I think an interesting sollution to this problem would be to ask students what they want to be when they grow up and help them choose subjects that would help them for that.

 

[Childlike Wild]

I think an interesting sollution to this problem would be to ask students what they want to be when they grow up and help them choose subjects that would help them for that.

Right, because all the kids have their entire lives planned at the age of 14.

All kids need basic educations. They need to know math. (Riddler is right, Algebra is useful. I use concepts from Algebra frequently.) They need to know some history. (It gives you some context when trying to understand the world.) They need to learn to read and write at decently high levels. (Communication is beautiful.)

The problem with schools is that students aren't forced to behave and do what they're told until they're old enough to drop out.

Also, all that testing that seems to be the craze these days. Ugh. :meow:

 

[WilcofanAshes]

um...the students?

 

[Tangled Web]

Right, because all the kids have their entire lives planned at the age of 14.

All kids need basic educations. They need to know math. (Riddler is right, Algebra is useful. I use concepts from Algebra frequently.) They need to know some history. (It gives you some context when trying to understand the world.) They need to learn to read and write at decently high levels. (Communication is beautiful.)

The problem with schools is that students aren't forced to behave and do what they're told until they're old enough to drop out.

Also, all that testing that seems to be the craze these days. Ugh. :meow:

I think we're on the same page on a general education but there should still be an honors program for advanced students. I'm just saying that we shouldn't force students to do geometry or calc if they aren't planning on going into a career that requires those skills.

 

[StorminNorman]

Right, because all the kids have their entire lives planned at the age of 14.

All kids need basic educations. They need to know math. (Riddler is right, Algebra is useful. I use concepts from Algebra frequently.) They need to know some history. (It gives you some context when trying to understand the world.) They need to learn to read and write at decently high levels. (Communication is beautiful.)

The problem with schools is that students aren't forced to behave and do what they're told until they're old enough to drop out.

Also, all that testing that seems to be the craze these days. Ugh. :meow:

Students who want to go to College should be taking the advance math, history, sciences - etc. If they dont, then only a basic understand in these fields is needed. What schools need is more vocational programs for those not going into college - more wood shops, metal shop, etc.

 

[Tangled Web]

Students who want to go to College should be taking the advance math, history, sciences - etc. If they dont, then only a basic understand in these fields is needed. What schools need is more vocational programs for those not going into college - more wood shops, metal shop, etc.

Do you mean like trade school type skill classes? I agree. School right now is geared towards students who plan on college. There are far too many students with n interest what so ever in academic courses. Skill classes would do wonders for them.

 

[Childlike Wild]

I think we're on the same page on a general education but there should still be an honors program for advanced students. I'm just saying that we shouldn't force students to do geometry or calc if they aren't planning on going into a career that requires those skills.

Geometry's pretty basic, but I agree on Calc.

Did your school not have special advanced classes? Mine had advanced classes, and regular classes (and I think some remedial stuff) for the basic subjects. For some courses, you actually had to pass exams if you wanted permission to enroll. I know not all schools have this, but I think a lot these days do. (Partially because of the rush on AP courses by Ivy hopefuls.)

Stormin: I agree also on more vocational courses. I'm not sure how easy those were to find in my area.

 

[Tangled Web]

Geometry's pretty basic, but I agree on Calc.

Did your school not have special advanced classes? Mine had advanced classes, and regular classes (and I think some remedial stuff) for the basic subjects. For some courses, you actually had to pass exams if you wanted permission to enroll. I know not all schools have this, but I think a lot these days do. (Partially because of the rush on AP courses by Ivy hopefuls.)

Stormin: I agree also on more vocational courses. I'm not sure how easy those were to find in my area.

Yeah. We have AP and IB courses. While we don't have to pass a test to get in we have to have had good grades in the previous year in said class.

I love my AP and IB classes because they help me save money on college. (For instance I got a four on the AP Euro exam last May so I don't have to take it in college )

 

[kainedamo]

Right, because all the kids have their entire lives planned at the age of 14.

All kids need basic educations. They need to know math. (Riddler is right, Algebra is useful. I use concepts from Algebra frequently.) They need to know some history. (It gives you some context when trying to understand the world.) They need to learn to read and write at decently high levels. (Communication is beautiful.)

The problem with schools is that students aren't forced to behave and do what they're told until they're old enough to drop out.

Also, all that testing that seems to be the craze these days. Ugh. :meow:

I completely agree with this. I see entirely too many excuses and too much whining in this thread. Not to sound like an old fart, but a big problem is discipline.

9 times out of 10 when a kid says "I'll never need that in life", number one - they don't know what they are talking about, and two - they are just making an excuse.

Kids are too lazy and need to be made to do the work. I agree motivation is a factor, but I think discipline is a high factor too. I know what when I was in school (im only 22) the guys went bananas, including me, and it was often difficult to resist fooling around and concentrate on work.

Kids get away with entirely too much. Sometimes, they practically rule the classroom. Motivation is a factor, but alot of kids simply don't WANT to be motivated.

 

[Fried Gold]

The problem with schools is the constant discussion regardings problems with schools. Before people discussed problems with schools, there were no problems withs chools.

 

[Ghostvirus]

The main problem is funding. People constantly want lower taxs. Then bi**ch about how the governement isn't giving enough to this, or that. People don't realize that in order to lower taxes. That money has to come from somewhere.

Books being reused because they don't have the money. Lunch rooms having to resort to Nascar like sponsoring. By saleing crappy fast food. Teachers being paid like crap.

This all results in the entire system breaking down. The problem isn't the car. It is the engine. Fix the engine. Fix the car. But hey it would cost to much money right. It is much easier just pissing, & moaning about it. Until you find yourself stranded on the side of the road. In the middle of nowhere.