The Israel Situation

[AnimeJune]

This link is not for children or those with weak stomachs:
http://www.halturnershow.com/IsraeliAtrocities.html

These are pictures of dead victims of this war and incredibly horrific and equally sad.

I'll look at those pictures if you conjure up some images of the atrocities people have been doing to the Jews for the last couple of hundred YEARS. Find some of the destruction caused by Palestinian suicide bombers? Or how 'bout the Holocaust? Hmm?

 

[Superman4ever]

Jesus is really going to love this state of Israel!

Israeli tank Vs. Catholic Preist:

dirty Arabs!

 

[FlameHead]

I'll look at those pictures if you conjure up some images of the atrocities people have been doing to the Jews for the last couple of hundred YEARS. Find some of the destruction caused by Palestinian suicide bombers? Or how 'bout the Holocaust? Hmm?

You think the Jews would have learn't something from the Holocaust, not follow in it's footsteps.

 

[raybia]

This link is not for children or those with weak stomachs:
http://www.halturnershow.com/IsraeliAtrocities.html

These are pictures of dead victims of this war and incredibly horrific and equally sad.

Israel stated once again it was against a cease-fire. Olmert said: "Israel is in no rush to declare a cease-fire before we have achieved our central objectives that we set for ourselves prior to the operation. We expect a detailed agreement on the forces that will secure the regions dangerous to Israel.”

'Rice, who was in Israel, said she was saddened by the Qana air raid, but stopped well short of calling for an immediate ceasefire.'

For our U.S leaders who at best only advise Israel to be careful about civilian
casulties but refuse to call for an immediate ceasefire and continue to support Israel financially and every other way, They are the real war criminals
and we as Americans will have blood on our hands unless we hold our elected leaders accountable for their decisions and actions.

 

[raybia]

I'll look at those pictures if you conjure up some images of the atrocities people have been doing to the Jews for the last couple of hundred YEARS. Find some of the destruction caused by Palestinian suicide bombers? Or how 'bout the Holocaust? Hmm?

You should conjure them up and post them. This is the reality of war and oppression and that is why the U.S. cannot by so quick to support and avocate it and participate in it. Both sides have the blood of the dead on their hands.

Ask the dead if it matters who pulled the trigger. Take away the religious, national and ethic labels and what you have that all of these dead have in common is that they were human beings.

 

[Darkdd]

If you'd taken the time to READ my posts, you would have see I haven't even mentioned Islam or Muslims - just that the Lebanese citizens and the Hezbollah and Arabs in the countries surrounding Israel HATE Israel.

Just because I support Israel against Lebanon does not mean I'm anti-Muslim, just as I don't think you're anti-semetic just because you support Lebanon against Israel.

The Lebanese citizens do not hate Israel(well atleast before they started destroying their country).Their beef is/was with Syria.
Lebanon is not even at war.Lebanon is not fighting Israel,Hezbollah is.

 

[Gamma Ray]

Jesus is really going to love this state of Israel!

Israeli tank Vs. Catholic Preist:

dirty Arabs!

All of this crap you're posting is circumstantial. You don't have any idea what's actually happening in these pictures.

 

[raybia]

The Lebanese citizens do not hate Israel(well atleast before they started destroying their country).Their beef is/was with Syria.
Lebanon is not even at war.Lebanon is not fighting Israel,Hezbollah is.

Twenty years from now, (if not sooner) everyone will be critizing Lebanon and its citizens and asking the question, "Why do the lebanese hate Israel?"

 

[Gamma Ray]

This link is not for children or those with weak stomachs:
http://www.halturnershow.com/IsraeliAtrocities.html

These are pictures of dead victims of this war and incredibly horrific and equally sad.

You want atrocious? Here: http://www.all4israel.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Category&catId=45

Just because Israeli's don't have the disrespect to photograph dead bodies, doesn't mean they have not suffered even more than those in the link you provided.

It's absolutely sickening to me when I think about how Israel has trained cleanup crews who come in after terror attacks and scrape the blood off the streets.

 

[Darkdd]

Israels military sucks.They dont seem to be using any kind of intelegence when dropping bombs.They are like,"I think Hezbollah is here!"-drop tons of bombs and destroy an entire neighbourhood-"Did we get them?".And a story that proves this,the IDF thought 2 trucks carrying water drilling equipment
were potential missile transports.What do they do-bomb the hell out of them.
Israel has openly said that they are trying to scare the rest of the Mid-East by making an example out of Hezbollah/the Lebanese govt.Doesn't that make them terrorists?

 

[kainedamo]

AnimeJune never answered my question. Maybe one of you pro-Israelis can.

Let me ask you a question. What would Israel have to do for you to stop supporting them?

 

[Gamma Ray]

Let me ask you a question. What would Israel have to do for you to stop supporting them?

I dunno... Bomb the US?

Here's one for you: What does Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Quaeda, etc have to do for you to stop supporting them?

 

[FlameHead]

You're the one supporting Al Quaeda. It's a US government created, funded and trained organization. Common, public knowledge.

Isreals weopons all come from the US. They are killing all these children and women with wepons provided by you and your tax money.

 

[AnimeJune]

AnimeJune never answered my question. Maybe one of you pro-Israelis can.

Let me ask you a question. What would Israel have to do for you to stop supporting them?

All the Jews in it would have to cease to exist, and all the Jews all throughout the world who would otherwise be wishing for a nation of their own would also have to cease to exist.

-->As to Darkdd, you made a very interesting point. Are they terrorists by seeking to make an example out of Lebanon? I honestly don't know. I know that their actions are intended to finally stop the attacks the Arabs have made against them, to protect themselves.

I'm not going to pretend that I know anything that goes on in the minds of Israel's government, but I can imagine - they've conceded land and obeyed ceasefires and tried for peace, but it hasn't worked. So they're trying to fight fire with fire.

It's sad for all involved. But what else do you expect Israel to do? They've tried peace and it hasn't worked. Maybe they feel they can't afford to sit on their hands anymore if they want to survive.

 

[kainedamo]

All the Jews in it would have to cease to exist, and all the Jews all throughout the world who would otherwise be wishing for a nation of their own would also have to cease to exist.

That really doesn't make sense, read my question again.

-->As to Darkdd, you made a very interesting point. Are they terrorists by seeking to make an example out of Lebanon? I honestly don't know. I know that their actions are intended to finally stop the attacks the Arabs have made against them, to protect themselves.

I'm not going to pretend that I know anything that goes on in the minds of Israel's government, but I can imagine - they've conceded land and obeyed ceasefires and tried for peace, but it hasn't worked. So they're trying to fight fire with fire.

It's sad for all involved. But what else do you expect Israel to do? They've tried peace and it hasn't worked. Maybe they feel they can't afford to sit on their hands anymore if they want to survive.

The way you talk, you would think Israel were recieving daily attacks before this mess occured. You keep whitewashing over the fact that this is all over two soldiers. Two soldiers - 700 civilians, you do the math.

 

[kainedamo]

I dunno... Bomb the US?


That's a dumb answer. So Israel is only bad if it attacks you! What wonderful logic!

Here's one for you: What does Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Quaeda, etc have to do for you to stop supporting them?

Who falls under the "etc". I don't support Al Quaeda buddy.

As for Hezbollah, I'd stop supporting them if they killed almost 700 civilians in the space of a few weeks.

 

[AnimeJune]

That really doesn't make sense, read my question again.



The way you talk, you would think Israel were recieving daily attacks before this mess occured. You keep whitewashing over the fact that this is all over two soldiers. Two soldiers - 700 civilians, you do the math.

I think you're a little naive if you think this offensive is entirely due to two soldiers - it's like saying World War I was started entirely by the assassination of Franz Ferdinand. There are more factors involved than that.

Lebanon has been bombing Israel with rocketlaunchers stationed in the south, so of course the goverment's been whining for a ceasefire - they don't want Israel to invade and destroy the weapons they've been using to kill Israelis!

Israel is fighting with an army - they are not terrorists. They are defending themselves. It's a sad, sad, fact that they cannot afford to be a pacifist nation, but it's true. It's either defend themselves or be pushed into the sea. What alternative do they have kainedemo? Answer me that - what alternative do they have?

Compare them to America - America is surrounded by nations that are peaceful to it. Do the Canadians and Mexicans hate Americans with a burning, religion-fueled bigotry? Would they like nothing better than to wipe Americans off the face of the globe? No.

That's what it's like in Israel - it's a Jewish state sandwiched between virulently anti-Semitic nations. As a nation, it is literally backed into a corner.

That's why I support Israel. What would they have to do to lose my support? They would have to commit mindless, motiveless slaughter, actions that are not at all motivated by self-preservation. So far, they haven't done that.

Hey, by the way, can you recall a time when Arab "terrorists" sent leaflets and messages on loudspeakers to the places they were about to bomb, in order to get civilians out in time? Because that's what Israel's doing. Children are dying, yeah - SO? It's a WAR. It happens even when the supposedly "best" of countries engage in it. It's a fact of life.

So, to resume - Israel has no choice. It's actions are fuelled by the need for self-preservation. Hezbollah's motives are bigotry - they still haven't negotiated to return the hostages, even though it could very well end much of the destruction.

 

[FlameHead]

The difference however is that Canada and Mexico are not recieving and amassing weopons from an outside source like Israel is. Everything they have has been paid for by American Tax money. Americans have supplied Israel with the means to completly demolish another country and kill nearly 700 civilians to boot.

Things would be a whole hell of a lot different if the US weren't backing Israel, not only in justifying it's heavy handed blows but also providing the weopons to do it with.

 

[AnimeJune]

The difference however is that Canada and Mexico are not recieving and amassing weopons from an outside source like Israel is. Everything they have has been paid for by American Tax money. Americans have supplied Israel with the means to completly demolish another country and kill nearly 700 civilians to boot.

Things would be a whole hell of a lot different if the US weren't backing Israel, not only in justifying it's heavy handed blows but also providing the weopons to do it with.

You're mixing up my metaphor, first of all - Canada and Mexico standing IN for Arab countries.

Secondly, what does this have to do with my argument? What does the source of Israel's weapons have to do with how they're being used? Israel has a damn fine army system with or without the US' help. If you're angry at the US for supporting Israel with ulterior motives, fine - be mad at the US. Israel hasn't done anything yet that doesn't support their bid for self-preservation.

 

[FlameHead]

Sorry, I dont' feel like arguing over the death of nearly 700 civilians with weapons provided by another country.

 

[cass]

Israel is giving a 24 hour relief from bombings, possibly extended to 48 hours to allow civilians to leave, and most likely Hezbollah will bomb the **** out of Israel during the period.

 

[Superman4ever]

All of this crap you're posting is circumstantial. You don't have any idea what's actually happening in these pictures.

Circumstantial? You are PATHETIC! Had that been an Arab tank you would have cried, and screamed, 'BLOODY MARY' from here to moon.

I've backed everything I said, in this thread and more, and have posted facts and documents over and over again. AnimeJune blabbed like he/she knew anything about how Arabs are the ones that ignore the UN yet it's the Israelis have ignored 244-250 UN resolutions. I've posted some of them, here: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9699685&postcount=409 But instead of confronting the information he/she danced around it. That's all you guys do is dance and twirl and spin the information to a dizzying amount.

Unless it's an Arab tank/solider it's circumstantial and/or defense!

What about these pictures, do I need to know what's going on here?

What if that was an Arab solider (AKA terrorist) holding a decapitated baby in his hands? "See how these terrorist love blood; they're indiscriminate!

Yeah, yeah; I know, I know: "In a war, however unfortunate, civilians die -- even babies!"

Dirty Arabs!

 

[cass]

After some research and watching the news, I don't even consider Hezbollah terrorists. They're more like a militia.

You anti-semitic prick.

 

[Superman4ever]

Israel is giving a 24 hour relief from bombings, possibly extended to 48 hours to allow civilians to leave, and most likely Hezbollah will bomb the **** out of Israel during the period.

And only 37 children had to die for those 24 hours -- how wonderfully altruistic!

http://article.wn.com/view/2006/07/31/Israel_suspends_air_strikes_after_37_children_die/

 

[squeekness]

How though? Those civillans have been there forever. It's not like they disguised themselves as a estate development agency created homes and moved the civillans in just so could paint a red target on them. Sad thing is, once the UN and international press-core continues to pressure Israel with explination as to why they'll probably say that. They are literally the Jewish schoolboy in class saying "My Dog ate my homework"

Well, Israel did post leaflets saying that folks should get out. I do understand that these folks were refugees as it was and probably had nowhere to go. When I was musing to myself if their placement in that adjacent building was deliberate, I wasn't saying that it was fact, I was just wondering. Intentional or not, the reality is, Hezbollah got what they wanted -- the sympathy of the international community is leaning more in their favor.