The New 52

[starman2112]

I've been reading the new 52 for a couple of months catching up with my favorites (Batman, Superman, Justice League, and Aquaman) and I read a lot of negativity about the whole new 52 and it's continuity problems. But I never read comics before the new 52 so can someone enlighten me on issues with the new 52?

 

[RoughNTumble]

2 violent

 

[Hush]

People liked the old stories and continuities and can't move on.

 

[Tropico]

The valid continuity issues that people have complained about are from titles that were supposedly carrying over the old continuity or most of it. For example, Red Robin (Tim Drake) got his origin reworked pretty heavily and never used the name Robin. Y'know, stuff like that that people that started with the New 52 won't notice anyway but it does irk long time readers. I've seen references to teams and characters that existed in the old continuity but don't anymore and we haven't seen any analogues in the current continuity, it kinda muddles things. The Zero Year event in the Bat titles is changing continuity even more if not an indicator that ALL titles should have done a full reset and not just the partial or "soft" reset they did.

Not so valid issues are when people complain about the characters and how they used to be without taking into consideration that this is supposed to be a new way to tell stories of said characters. Agreeing or disagreeing on what the essence of what the character should or should not be is a moot point since the creative (and executive) forces at DC/WB will decide what THEY want to do with them anyway.

 

[Green Arrow67]

I dont know, just to be Honest, i think That the New 52 has hurt Dc. Art Styles on Many Books Have Changed, The Debaucle with the Low Print run on the Forever Evil Month 3d covers was bad mishandled. Im an OLD SCHOOL Green Arrow Fan, i collect the New 52 Green Arrow, BUT i do wish it was the Older Bearded Oliver Queen instead of the young kid they have in it now. Love Lemires story lines, but Sorentinos art just doesnt do it for me. I will say i am LOVING Forever Evil, and Forever Evil Arkham war, the first issue of FE was funny and very cool. And Arkham war has me wanting to see whats going to happen, Besides, who knows there may be some Earth shattering event that changes the New 52

 

[Shazam]

Its the old universe .....but on crack.

and Superman wears armor

 

[X Knight]

is anyone else just tired and sick of the whole new 52??

 

[NosfeRomas]

No, why ?

 

[Hush]

Nope, it's given us some pretty good stories. Just like post-crisis did and post-zo and post-IC and post-FC. People always complain after reboots but I find it easier to go with the flow.

 

[X Knight]

I tried getting into the stories and the characters.........but I just can't.

 

[flickchick85]

There are several stories I've enjoyed in the New 52. Jeff Lemire, Scott Snyder and Grant Morrison have been putting out quality work, imo. I also enjoy Azzarello's Wonder Woman (though I'm behind on that), and Greg Pak just joined the family but I think he's off to a pretty good start too.

 

[Shazam]

is anyone else just tired and sick of the whole new 52??

yes.........I pray that this turns out to be like Marvel's Onslaught thing that gave us this crap:

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[Llama_Shepherd]

I tried getting into the stories and the characters.........but I just can't.

They're really not that different in content.

 

[Motown Marvel]

The new 52 caused me to stop reading comics after having read them religiously for 15 years. I can deal with change, but I can't deal with the crap decisions, poor quality, and lesser characterizations DC has been peddling in the new 52. I got a year into it, and I realized I had zero interest in this, I was only buying the comics out of habit. So I stopped. Thanks DC, you killed comics for me.

 

[xpyred]

I posted a similar question over at comicbookresources.com and i never got a reply. My issue with New 52 is batman. I actually asked two questions over there.

The first set of questions are as follows: which Batman book is the core title? I know there are currently four titles. Do these titles run like the spider-man comics of the 90's where each book was it's own story, but they are referenced in the satellite books? Should i read all four titles?

Secondly, I am a little confused. I am a new Batman reader, just recently buying the first volume of Scott Snyder's Batman. I read online that Batman's world was condensed to having begun Six Years prior to the first issue. Then i read here that his universe has not changed and everything still happened. So does this mean everything from the soft reboot in 1987 still happened? The Gotham Earthquake? The many Robin's he's taken under his wing?

 

[hippie_hunter]

The first set of questions are as follows: which Batman book is the core title? I know there are currently four titles. Do these titles run like the spider-man comics of the 90's where each book was it's own story, but they are referenced in the satellite books? Should i read all four titles?

Batman is the core title. Batman & Robin and Detective Comics are essentially satelite titles that use the world that Scott Snyder is creating, partake in a couple of Snyder led crossovers, but are essentially their own stories that don't need to have other books read to follow them.

Batman: The Dark Knight is ending in March.

Secondly, I am a little confused. I am a new Batman reader, just recently buying the first volume of Scott Snyder's Batman. I read online that Batman's world was condensed to having begun Six Years prior to the first issue. Then i read here that his universe has not changed and everything still happened. So does this mean everything from the soft reboot in 1987 still happened? The Gotham Earthquake? The many Robin's he's taken under his wing?

Originally, the Batwriters intended to keep Batman's pre-New 52 continuity in tact with a condensed timeline. However, they realized that this didn't work hence why we're having the Zero Year storyline which is making Batman go under a semi-hard reboot the way the rest of DC's characters have. The only pre-New 52 stories that are in tact now for Batman's continuity is the Grant Morrison stuff and Snyder's run on Detective Comics.

New 52 Batman has had 3 Robins, Dick, Jason, and Damian. Tim didn't use the Robin name and went under Red Robin right from the get go because he didn't want to sully Jason's memory.

 

[starman2112]

I'm glad to hear some positive things about the new 52 thanks!

 

[smallville fan]

I'm glad to hear some positive things about the new 52 thanks!

Yeah there's some good stuff about the New 52 here and there.

I think it's more hit and miss for some and how open minded you are about things really. Relative to most people here, I'm fairly new to comics. Due to the drop in quality of animated shows(see Ultimate Spider-Man, Avengers Assemble on the Marvel side and the cancellation of Young Justice on the DC) as well as Smallville Season 11 being a comic, I decided to give them a real try to get my much needed fill of stories of my favorite characters.

With regards to the New 52(Reading all the Superman titles, Batman, Aquaman, Flash and Green Arrow, Justice league, Justice League of America) I'm ok with it, I think it's just because it's hard to top all of the new story-lines that have happened in the past.

 

[Lord]

The reboot is only 2 years old, compare it to post-crisis, sure, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman's reboot was going well, though i'm sure that at the time some long time fans didn't like Superman: The Man of Steel or Perez taking out the invisible plane and giving WW the power of flight, but the rest of the DCU was a complete mess, just look at the Justice League, Aquaman went into constant creative limbo as well as characters nobody cared about getting their books.

The thing is that the last reboot has had more than 25 years to develop, while this one is only 2 years old, it still has less missfires than the last reboot and in least there seems to be a plan.

 

[Motown Marvel]

The thing is that the last reboot has had more than 25 years to develop, while this one is only 2 years old, it still has less missfires than the last reboot and in least there seems to be a plan.

so how many years of patience and money do i give them before i deserve a good superman story?

 

[charl_huntress]

I only read Superman and Superman related comics prior to the reboot, and my real issue with 52 is the addition of the Wondy/Supes dynamic. I had hoped to never see that fanboy's wet dream come to fruition outside of an elseworld...but alas they just had to do it. When that stops then I'll consider picking up comics again.

 

[flickchick85]

so how many years of patience and money do i give them before i deserve a good superman story?

I personally think Unchained is off to a pretty darn good start. Though I also think it's one of those stories that will really benefit from the TPB format, when you can read it all at once.

 

[Hush]

so how many years of patience and money do i give them before i deserve a good superman story?

Read Action starting with the zero year cross over, its pretty good.

 

[KevanG]

I'm kinda digging the GL books but between the reboot and various things getting changed with everybody swapping the teams and everyone switching from good to evil and everywhere in between I'm kinda lost.

 

[KevanG]

Also, did they fix Hawkman yet or is his history still a cluster****?