The New Batman Adventures

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Seriously, why? Why did they retool the show with character designs that were 10x as worse and writing no where near as good as the first few seasons? They wanted the show to be worse? Don't get me wrong, it was ok, much better than "The Batman," but I don't understand why they had to u-haul everything as well as the name of the show.

Nothing made me cringe more than Joker with no red lips and no orange in his suit.
 
The Batman's Joker is the best, there I said it.
 
They moved it to the WB. Wanted it to look more like superman and a little more kid friendly. Thats all I got.
 
TNBA touches on an aspect of Batman mythology that includes all the super villains and sidekicks and is a weclome addition to Batman's history in media.

True KidsWB had the show softened for its viewers, and it doesn't have that dark edge that that original series had, but that doesn't mean it's bad.

And some of the redesigns work better...Batman, Penguin, Scarecrow, Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy in particular. The character designs are just cleaner and sleeker and work better for design and animation. It was easier for the crew to stay on model, unlike the original series where you could see significant differences in Batman's appearance from one episode to another.

Not much I can say for Joker's redesign...though they redeemed themselves with the third design for "Justice League."

And TNBA brought new characters into the story line...

Dick became Nightwing, Tim Drake took over the mantle of Robin...

plus villains like Firefly and Roxy Rocket...you could even put Sin Tzu into that melieu...

"Over the Edge" and "Mad Love" were amazing episodes.

And the Dick Sprang and Frank Miller vinettes from "Legends of the Dark Knight" are the ultimate in fanboy wish fulfillment.

great show...certainly will take it over "The Batman."

CFE
 
I hated Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy, The Joker and Catwoman designs


Freeze - could move without his body that look like spider under his head.

Ivy - She was short then TAS version with white skin.

The Joker - Without his red lips

Catwoman - I like the original better.
 
My main problem with the Joker was his invited Eyes, it looks hideous. The JLA design was brilliant though. like scarecrows redesign but apart from that everything was worse.

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Seriously, why? Why did they retool the show with character designs that were 10x as worse and writing no where near as good as the first few seasons? They wanted the show to be worse? Don't get me wrong, it was ok, much better than "The Batman," but I don't understand why they had to u-haul everything as well as the name of the show.

Some of the best eps were from TNBA. :huh:

Over the Edge, Legends of the Dark Knight, Mad Love...


And I liked alot of the redesigns too. I do think Joker was a bit too simple, but he didn't look that bad.
 
I take back the writing part, you're right, alot of 'em were good.


As for the designs of TNBA...

Freeze- didn't like this design at all, his head looked strange and no goggles

Ivy- Didn't like the look of her either, skin looked pale and pasty

Penguin and Scarecrow- Liked the new design of these guys

Like Rockbottom said, besides the lips, why did they give Joker little beady eyes lol. But I will definitely say, give me any of these designs over the stuff in "The Batman"
 
I hated the writing. I rented that season from netflix. Some of the plots were really laughible. Even over the edge was. At least to me.
 
The animation went down because the budget was lower, the designs were changed for 2 reasons. Timm wanted to do something new and make it like Superman and it was easier to animate the characters with the redesigns thus making it cheaper.

I dont watch TNBA since i cant stand the designs, the joker is the worst, I think they just did him for the sake of it tbh. Also im not a fan of Robin and Bat-girl and they were a much bigger part of the show in this incarnation.
 
The writing was still good,but the animation went downhill badly..i wonder why..

The animation was actually better thanks to emerging digital technology and sleeker designs. Look at the boat chase scene in Over the Edge again.

The animation was definitely superior. You don't get the chunky inconsistences like in TAS anymore. But that being said, TAS still had better episodes altogether.
 
I whole heartedly agree with you BubbaGump...

TNBA lacked that off-beat quirkiness that the original series had, and became a bit formulaic in its approach.

Like for instance, TNBA didn't try nearly as hard as BTAS did to come up with new original threats for Batman.

I mean what happened to the likes of HARDAC or Red Claw or Wormwood the Interegator?

Great foils for Batman...and they were sorely missed in the new show. Sure TNBA gave us Roxy Rocket and such, but still...

BTAS also had this edge that was lost thanks to the show changing over from FOX to KidsWB.

CFE
 
The animation was actually better thanks to emerging digital technology and sleeker designs. Look at the boat chase scene in Over the Edge again.

The animation was definitely superior. You don't get the chunky inconsistences like in TAS anymore. But that being said, TAS still had better episodes altogether.


Just watched an episode, you're right. The animation was pretty sleek and I actually like more of the designs than I thought. Riddler and Joker withstanding.
 
I loved the show and thoughtthe desings were great and writing was awesome. Def some of the best episodes.
 
Just watched an episode, you're right. The animation was pretty sleek and I actually like more of the designs than I thought. Riddler and Joker withstanding.

They redesigned Riddler to compliment with Batman Forever. That would explain the...(wait for it)...

SPANDEX SUIT. :cwink:
 
I really liked Bruce Wayne's re-design (he actually looks like a billionaire philanthropist/playboy now, instead of some corporate underling in a brown suit).
 
The TNBA charcter redesigns were okay, but what I hated was the new tech. Everything mechanical looked worse. That batmobile was uninspired trash -- looked like a real-world sportscar with a ridiculously wide wheel base. The plane stayed pretty much the same, but even the gadgets and tools all looked shoddily rendered.

The animation actually was much more consistent then in TAS, but your gut tells you that it looks worse. Why? Lighting, atmosphere, and the switch to digital coloring. TAS might have been plagued by some crummy Korean studios, but it made up for all that with something missing from most TV animation these days: dynamic lighting. It's one of the most time-consuming things to animate, requires more input from the studio to ensure quality control and it demands more pre-production work to create different color palattes for each character. But it works wonders for making 2-D characters a believable part of the scene, not to mention the background, which is painted seperately.

Lighting also establishes the mood and atmosphere of the scene. TNBA unfortunately had the cold sterility of all American TV toons, contrasted with TAS's noir-heavy influence. The pavement looks wet, the concrete looks gritty, the shadows look scary -- all due to the attention paid to the highlights painted into each scene.

Which brings us to the third mistake made by TNBA: digital coloring. When done right and coupled with some deft digital texturing, the results can be breath-taking. But when it's the flat, select-click-fill technique employed by that show (and most Saturday-morning toons), it becomes just another computerized exercise in laziness. Hence the show's bland, homogenized sameness from episode to episode.

Unique to TAS was the way it's backgrounds were painted - they started with a black canvas, and therefore the airbrushed paint would be darkly tinted in a way that is not easily duplicated in digital. It was an actual chemical reaction happening on the canvas, and shot with actual chemical film. Sorry digital photogs, but it makes a difference, especially when the subject is grim and gritty. TNBA may have had superior tools and smoother animation, but it just didn't give as much attention to the artistry of filmmaking that the old show did.

-- END!
 
The TNBA charcter redesigns were okay, but what I hated was the new tech. Everything mechanical looked worse. That batmobile was uninspired trash -- looked like a real-world sportscar with a ridiculously wide wheel base. The plane stayed pretty much the same, but even the gadgets and tools all looked shoddily rendered.

They did give the car a cameo in the JL episode "Savage Time, pt. 1," where it's in Savage Bat's hideout with a tank turret mounted on it. :up:
 
The TNBA charcter redesigns were okay, but what I hated was the new tech. Everything mechanical looked worse. That batmobile was uninspired trash -- looked like a real-world sportscar with a ridiculously wide wheel base. The plane stayed pretty much the same, but even the gadgets and tools all looked shoddily rendered.

FTW!

The animation actually was much more consistent then in TAS, but your gut tells you that it looks worse. Why? Lighting, atmosphere, and the switch to digital coloring. TAS might have been plagued by some crummy Korean studios, but it made up for all that with something missing from most TV animation these days: dynamic lighting. It's one of the most time-consuming things to animate, requires more input from the studio to ensure quality control and it demands more pre-production work to create different color palattes for each character. But it works wonders for making 2-D characters a believable part of the scene, not to mention the background, which is painted seperately.

FTW!

Lighting also establishes the mood and atmosphere of the scene. TNBA unfortunately had the cold sterility of all American TV toons, contrasted with TAS's noir-heavy influence. The pavement looks wet, the concrete looks gritty, the shadows look scary -- all due to the attention paid to the highlights painted into each scene.

FTW!

Which brings us to the third mistake made by TNBA: digital coloring. When done right and coupled with some deft digital texturing, the results can be breath-taking. But when it's the flat, select-click-fill technique employed by that show (and most Saturday-morning toons), it becomes just another computerized exercise in laziness. Hence the show's bland, homogenized sameness from episode to episode.

FTW!

Unique to TAS was the way it's backgrounds were painted - they started with a black canvas, and therefore the airbrushed paint would be darkly tinted in a way that is not easily duplicated in digital. It was an actual chemical reaction happening on the canvas, and shot with actual chemical film. Sorry digital photogs, but it makes a difference, especially when the subject is grim and gritty. TNBA may have had superior tools and smoother animation, but it just didn't give as much attention to the artistry of filmmaking that the old show did.

-- END!

FTW! :woot:
 
I didn't like how Ivy lost her curves :csad: .
 

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