Playstation The Official Playstation 5 Thread

[MagnarTheGreat]

In the case of FFXVI if you run it in performance mode it runs at 30 FPS locked. If you run it on graphics mode it runs erratically at 48-60 FPS, but if that mode is running on a VRR compatible TV like mine it runs the graphics mode at 59 FPS with the very rare dip. So VRR does a lot of the work on some high end graphics modes.

 

[henzINNIT]

The improvements of Spider-Man 2 don't really translate into still images. The sheer speed of the sequel is its most 'next-gen' feature. The city is more dense with detail and variety, but just how fast it all whips by is the real impressive feat.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Yeah the read speeds of the SSDs helps the graphics as well in terms of volume of stuff that can be put in front of the player and change that stuff quickly thanks to the read speed.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Yes, I think that was a really important step with this generation as 60 fps really does flow a lot better than 30. Now we have to build better and better graphics on top of that new standard. I wonder when we'll get a console that really handles ray tracing really well. That's something that looks really good but doesn't necessarily change the look of games in general as much as it hurts performance.

Ray tracing is a graphical process that helps to show reflections off of surfaces, right? I thought ray tracing was one of the staple features of the Ps5. is that something that it struggles with?

Yes, they had some limitations that I think stopped it from feeling "smart". For example the restriction that didn't allow apps to look up phone numbers and tell you who's calling if it's an unknown number. Such services that makes the phone work for you is what I feel is smart, rather than features that just allow you to do more things manually. But as said, I don't think any of my significant gripes are left anymore.

it's interesting that you used the word "smart" because a few years ago when I was upgrading to the Pixel 6 pro, I watched a review on Youtube by Flossy Carter, and in his own words he said that when you use that phone, you're going to feel "smart." In contrast, when he reviewed the iPhone 13 pro which I think was the phone to come out in the same year, he said that you're going to feel "trendy." which makes sense, because if you want to keep up with the latest and greatest that celebrities and all the famous people have, you get the latest iPhone because that's probably what they have.

There's always a chance of products evolving into something new if the demand changes, so who knows?

I've thought of something like that happening a long time ago, back when Sony was struggling with the Ps3. I thought what with Ps3 being a $600 product, what if Sony licensed additional production to Samsung or Apple which could help in sales. At this point...I wouldn't even be surprised if Apple or Google just buy Sony someday. That would give Playstation the same power that Xbox has as far as acquisitions go.

 

[Gee]

Ray tracing is a graphical process that helps to show reflections off of surfaces, right? I thought ray tracing was one of the staple features of the Ps5. is that something that it struggles with?

RT simulates realistic shadows, non-direct lighting and reflections, yeah. Both Sony and MS want to push it for current-gen, but they're on AMD tech and they are far behind Nvidia in that aspect.

But competition is good, right? Let's see what they can come up with down the road, including Intel as the third player in the GPU war.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

RT simulates realistic shadows, non-direct lighting and reflections, yeah. Both Sony and MS want to push it for current-gen, but they're on AMD tech and they are far behind Nvidia in that aspect.

But competition is good, right? Let's see what they can come up with down the road, including Intel as the third player in the GPU war.

with Intel partnering with Microsoft I feel like Xbox is going to accelerate the graphics department very fast

Microsoft and Intel strike a custom chip deal that could be worth billions

Microsoft is a big win for Intel’s chip foundry business.

www.theverge.com

 

[psylockolussus]

I hope the PS6 is smaller in physical size than the ps5. And I want the design to be really slick.

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

Ray tracing is a graphical process that helps to show reflections off of surfaces, right? I thought ray tracing was one of the staple features of the Ps5. is that something that it struggles with?

Raytracing is a way to simulate realistic light, so it does everything like reflections, shadows, etc, that light does in reality. Games don't have to use it for everything, sometimes it uses it for one thing but not others. The PS5 isn't nearly strong enough to go full ray tracing in a game with high level graphics. You still need a high end PC to do that really well.

it's interesting that you used the word "smart" because a few years ago when I was upgrading to the Pixel 6 pro, I watched a review on Youtube by Flossy Carter, and in his own words he said that when you use that phone, you're going to feel "smart." In contrast, when he reviewed the iPhone 13 pro which I think was the phone to come out in the same year, he said that you're going to feel "trendy." which makes sense, because if you want to keep up with the latest and greatest that celebrities and all the famous people have, you get the latest iPhone because that's probably what they have.

Not a bad description. But as said iPhone has lost most of their big issues for me, although there are still plenty of things I don't like due to personal preference, but that's fine. They do have good hardware, but as with so many phones it's better than the vast majority have need of.

I've thought of something like that happening a long time ago, back when Sony was struggling with the Ps3. I thought what with Ps3 being a $600 product, what if Sony licensed additional production to Samsung or Apple which could help in sales. At this point...I wouldn't even be surprised if Apple or Google just buy Sony someday. That would give Playstation the same power that Xbox has as far as acquisitions go.

A purchase of Sony is probably the most likely scenario if we get change, although I do find that unlikely as things stand. I'm not sure anything in Sony is profitable enough to drive a company like Apple to fork up the insane money that would take, even though they have tons of liquid means.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Raytracing is a way to simulate realistic light, so it does everything like reflections, shadows, etc, that light does in reality. Games don't have to use it for everything, sometimes it uses it for one thing but not others. The PS5 isn't nearly strong enough to go full ray tracing in a game with high level graphics. You still need a high end PC to do that really well.

if the rumors about the Ps5 pro are true, maybe it'll be a sample of what next gen can do. right now, this gen's pro playstation is rumored to be more powerful than the base console and the Series X combined.

Not a bad description. But as said iPhone has lost most of their big issues for me, although there are still plenty of things I don't like due to personal preference, but that's fine. They do have good hardware, but as with so many phones it's better than the vast majority have need of.

Here in the states, especially among youth, iMessage is a necessity. last year a study was published wherein about 90% of teenagers all have an iPhone. and when those kids all grow up, they're going to continue to upgrade to iPhones. doesn't bode well for the future of Android phones in this country, even with RCS coming to iOS.

A purchase of Sony is probably the most likely scenario if we get change, although I do find that unlikely as things stand. I'm not sure anything in Sony is profitable enough to drive a company like Apple to fork up the insane money that would take, even though they have tons of liquid means.

maybe not, but playstation has a lot of worldwide brand power, and I think that's something Apple would be interested in if they ever were to buy Sony. and by doing so, it would make it much easier for Sony to then acquire Take Two which would level the playing field in regard to the platform holders and the publishers they have under their belts.

but I think there is this huge dilemma for any American company trying to acquire a Japanese one. I don't know too much about it but I feel like it's rarely or just never happened.

 

[Gee]

with Intel partnering with Microsoft I feel like Xbox is going to accelerate the graphics department very fast

Microsoft and Intel strike a custom chip deal that could be worth billions

Microsoft is a big win for Intel’s chip foundry business.

www.theverge.com

Eh, sounds more like Intel will make CPUs to power-up Microsoft's AI and cloud services (OpenAI and Azure respectively).

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Eh, sounds more like Intel will make CPUs to power-up Microsoft's AI and cloud services (OpenAI and Azure respectively).

well, we have seen what AI is capable of these days and it's still in its infancy. if Microsoft can take the reigns on its capabilities then I think their CPUs will be way ahead of the game past its competition.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Final Fantasy VII Remake trilogy console-exclusive to PlayStation, confirms Sony Interactive Entertainment

The Final Fantasy VII Remake project trilogy will be console-exclusive to PlayStation, according to Sony Interactive Entertainment vice president of second- and third-party content ventures and str…

www.gematsu.com

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Final Fantasy VII Remake trilogy console-exclusive to PlayStation, confirms Sony Interactive Entertainment

The Final Fantasy VII Remake project trilogy will be console-exclusive to PlayStation, according to Sony Interactive Entertainment vice president of second- and third-party content ventures and str…

www.gematsu.com

I knew this was the case. I heard way back when FFS7 remake was first announced in 2015 that the deal Square had with Sony was the same that Capcom had with them for Street Fighter 5

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

if the rumors about the Ps5 pro are true, maybe it'll be a sample of what next gen can do. right now, this gen's pro playstation is rumored to be more powerful than the base console and the Series X combined.

We'll see. I will keep my expectations on the low side and just expect graphics mode in 60 fps, but I'll be glad if they do something better than that.

Here in the states, especially among youth, iMessage is a necessity. last year a study was published wherein about 90% of teenagers all have an iPhone. and when those kids all grow up, they're going to continue to upgrade to iPhones. doesn't bode well for the future of Android phones in this country, even with RCS coming to iOS.

That's an extreme market share. Apple is certainly a company one can worry about in terms of a potential future where companies get more powerful than governments, although they of course aren't alone. I'm glad the EU is coming down on them for some of their anti-competition and customer behaviors though. It would be good if the US could show some balls in that regard too.

maybe not, but playstation has a lot of worldwide brand power, and I think that's something Apple would be interested in if they ever were to buy Sony. and by doing so, it would make it much easier for Sony to then acquire Take Two which would level the playing field in regard to the platform holders and the publishers they have under their belts.

but I think there is this huge dilemma for any American company trying to acquire a Japanese one. I don't know too much about it but I feel like it's rarely or just never happened.

I don't think there's any particular issue for an American company to buy a Japanese one in itself, but it of course has to be for sale and I don't think there are any such plans within Sony.

 

[Superhero 101]

I knew this was the case. I heard way back when FFS7 remake was first announced in 2015 that the deal Square had with Sony was the same that Capcom had with them for Street Fighter 5

Final Fantasy 7 remake trilogy's PlayStation exclusivity clarified following reporting error

UPDATE 21.31pm: The Washington Post reporter responsible for a story claiming Square Enix's Final Fantasy 7 remake tril…

www.eurogamer.net

Well it looks like it isn’t confirmed to be exclusive

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

We'll see. I will keep my expectations on the low side and just expect graphics mode in 60 fps, but I'll be glad if they do something better than that.

here is the article I posted in the Ps5 pro thread, if you're interested

If the Rumoured Specs are True, the PS5 Pro is the 'biggest technical leap in a generation' that Xbox Promised, yet Delivered by PlayStation

The PS5 Pro could be a powerful PlayStation powerhouse and a massive Xbox problem. In the past, companies like Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft have gladly

fandomwire.com

That's an extreme market share. Apple is certainly a company one can worry about in terms of a potential future where companies get more powerful than governments, although they of course aren't alone. I'm glad the EU is coming down on them for some of their anti-competition and customer behaviors though. It would be good if the US could show some balls in that regard too.

I don't think US is gonna do anything about it. It's only here that it's a problem, anyway. A lot of people try to downplay it but in social circles, I think it is a pretty serious problem. If you're a kid in the 10% who has an Android, you're gonna be chastised and ostracized for something that really shouldn't matter, something that's so silly.

I don't know if RCS is going to move the needle at all but it is definitely going to help existing communication between iOS and Android users.

I don't think there's any particular issue for an American company to buy a Japanese one in itself, but it of course has to be for sale and I don't think there are any such plans within Sony.

yeah, Sony is not up for grabs now but I think they could benefit from being backed by Apple one day. They wouldn't at the mercy of Microsoft's gargantuan acquisitions anymore, because they'll be able to make gargantuan acquisitions of their own (looking at you, Take Two!)

Final Fantasy 7 remake trilogy's PlayStation exclusivity clarified following reporting error

UPDATE 21.31pm: The Washington Post reporter responsible for a story claiming Square Enix's Final Fantasy 7 remake tril…

www.eurogamer.net

Well it looks like it isn’t confirmed to be exclusive

I saw that retraction and after having read it, it doesn't change what was said originally; the author is just confirming that FFSRemake 1 & 2 are confirmed to be playstation console exclusives and that it's not confirmed for FFSRemake 3. But whatever deal has been made for these games probably dates back to 2015 when it was first announced, so chances are the entire trilogy is going to be exclusive to the playstation family.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

PS5 owners lose access to hundreds of games as digital purchases wiped from thei

A strange bug is removing people's games on PlayStation 4 and 5, and Vita, and Sony doesn't have a fix.

metro.co.uk

I think I posted before months about weirdness with Sony's software backend wiping out people's game access when they unsubscribed from PS+ because Sony's backend gets confused in their license system when you buy something while subscribed versus when you don't.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

PS5 owners lose access to hundreds of games as digital purchases wiped from thei

A strange bug is removing people's games on PlayStation 4 and 5, and Vita, and Sony doesn't have a fix.

metro.co.uk

I think I posted before months about weirdness with Sony's software backend wiping out people's game access when they unsubscribed from PS+ because Sony's backend gets confused in their license system when you buy something while subscribed versus when you don't.

Dang, that's very unfortunate for people with digital titles in their libraries.

I never resubscribed my Psplus so I wonder what would happen to all the games I downloaded through that service if I ever resubscribe to it.

For everyone else though, Sony has to take this as a top priority. A few years ago I feel like their online infrastructure was just so bad with security because people's credit cards on file were constantly getting compromised.

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

here is the article I posted in the Ps5 pro thread, if you're interested

If the Rumoured Specs are True, the PS5 Pro is the 'biggest technical leap in a generation' that Xbox Promised, yet Delivered by PlayStation

The PS5 Pro could be a powerful PlayStation powerhouse and a massive Xbox problem. In the past, companies like Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft have gladly

fandomwire.com

I saw that. I'm just saying that since it's a rumor I'll keep my expectations low (relative to my standards) and leave it up to them to possibly surprise me in a positive manner. I'm eager to see what they present.

I don't think US is gonna do anything about it. It's only here that it's a problem, anyway. A lot of people try to downplay it but in social circles, I think it is a pretty serious problem. If you're a kid in the 10% who has an Android, you're gonna be chastised and ostracized for something that really shouldn't matter, something that's so silly.

I don't know if RCS is going to move the needle at all but it is definitely going to help existing communication between iOS and Android users.

That particular issue may only be an issue over there but Apple (and other big companies, to be fair) are engaging in general anti-competition behavior and they've gotten forced to change some things in the EU. For example they've been ordered to allow side-loading apps and not force everyone to have to use the App Store, and they've been forced to allow companies to advertise pricing outside the App Store in apps.

yeah, Sony is not up for grabs now but I think they could benefit from being backed by Apple one day. They wouldn't at the mercy of Microsoft's gargantuan acquisitions anymore, because they'll be able to make gargantuan acquisitions of their own (looking at you, Take Two!)

I don't see Apple backing it without getting the profit from it though. Such large investments as big gaming companies will definitely need to pay off for the one forking out the money.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I saw that. I'm just saying that since it's a rumor I'll keep my expectations low (relative to my standards) and leave it up to them to possibly surprise me in a positive manner. I'm eager to see what they present.

that's the safe thing to do. but personally, I am hoping it's going to be true because it means the leap for the next generation, Ps6 is going to be (hopefully) astronomical, if I may be hyperbolic.

That particular issue may only be an issue over there but Apple (and other big companies, to be fair) are engaging in general anti-competition behavior and they've gotten forced to change some things in the EU. For example they've been ordered to allow side-loading apps and not force everyone to have to use the App Store, and they've been forced to allow companies to advertise pricing outside the App Store in apps.

I know, I heard about the whole side-loading apps thing that they're allowing which they didn't allow for a long time, even though I don't understand it. Adding USBC to iPhones was probably one of the best things they were forced to do, but I feel like with them preemptively adding RCS means they could do it their own way which could be the bare minimum.

Which is sad, because if they had the same forced hand with USBC, then it could have been a full fledged RCS experience with Androids. Google did announce that they're going to help Apple with the RCS implementation, so here's to hoping that the bubbles at least will not be green. I want them to be purple.

I don't see Apple backing it without getting the profit from it though. Such large investments as big gaming companies will definitely need to pay off for the one forking out the money.

that's true. Apple has gotten away with pricing their products exorbitantly, but if they bought Sony and the prices of playstation consoles got raised to $600 again, like I said before they'd already be doomed to fail.

 

[Iceman]

PS5 owners lose access to hundreds of games as digital purchases wiped from thei

A strange bug is removing people's games on PlayStation 4 and 5, and Vita, and Sony doesn't have a fix.

metro.co.uk

I think I posted before months about weirdness with Sony's software backend wiping out people's game access when they unsubscribed from PS+ because Sony's backend gets confused in their license system when you buy something while subscribed versus when you don't.

Surely those will be refunded or made available after getting fixed. Can't just lose digital content on the fly!

 

[Iceman]

If the Rumoured Specs are True, the PS5 Pro is the 'biggest technical leap in a generation' that Xbox Promised, yet Delivered by PlayStation

The PS5 Pro could be a powerful PlayStation powerhouse and a massive Xbox problem. In the past, companies like Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft have gladly

fandomwire.com

Biggest leap in a generation? Isn't that like saying biggest year since last year?

Biggest generational leap for multiple generations would mean something.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Biggest leap in a generation? Isn't that like saying biggest year since last year?

Biggest generational leap for multiple generations would mean something.

haha yeah, it's almost like when Apple always says "we created the best iPhone ever" or even Xbox saying "the most powerful console ever"

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Another outlet expecting the price to be $600

PlayStation 5 Pro: Release date, price and specs

Following the launch of the PlayStation 5 Slim in November, rumors are already flying about a possible PlayStation 5 Pro on its way in 2024.

readwrite.com

 

[Iceman]

Another outlet expecting the price to be $600

PlayStation 5 Pro: Release date, price and specs

Following the launch of the PlayStation 5 Slim in November, rumors are already flying about a possible PlayStation 5 Pro on its way in 2024.

readwrite.com

$500 is the sweet spot for high performance consoles at launch IMO.