The U.S. Is the World's Leader......

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  1. Genesis 1.0 Thread Overlord's Minion

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    .....In Incarceration that is.

    According to new polls, for the first time in the history of this nation, 1 in 100 American adults are either in prison or jail. Here's the whole artcile:

    Billions of dollars and what some feel is an overly oppressive system.

    So what do YOU think?
     
  2. Mr Sparkle Registered

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    the role of education and government need to be reassesed in the lives of the individual.
     
  3. SuperFerret King of the Urban Jungle

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    High fives all around!
     
  4. EdRyder Registered

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    I caught this on the news the other night.Whats interesting to me is -why is this an issue now? Weve held the title of holding the largest percentage of incarcerated citizens in the entire world since way back in the 80's.

    The only reason why I see its topical now is because it costs much more than ever before.
    If thats the issue let me break it to you like this-It would be cheaper to send them all to college than to imprison them for 20 or 30 years.

    Ya know,...Gladiator was on Cinemax the other night,...
    Im just sayin, its a good movie,..
     
  5. The Senator Registered

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    Well... this isn't a huge surprise to me, really. I don't know what can be done about it, other than letting all the drug dealers who deserve to be in prison out on the streets again.
     
  6. Aximili Guest

    Capital punishment, let's fix this jail crowding problem already.

    Anything more serious than an armed robbery, BLAM. Cheap, methodical, humane, pretty-much guaranteed to work. And I know someone will bring up the "but lolz wut about t3h innocents?" argument...please. Sure, the government gets it wrong sometimes, but it's not a 5/10 thing. It's so much less. I'd have no problem with 100 convicted murderers getting the death penalty, if 2 of them were innocent and the rest guilty.

    Small price to pay, y'know? Tough.

    The world is going to hell, and this kind of stuff needs to be cleaned up.
     
  7. The Senator Registered

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    I don't think anyone should be put to death unless there is 100% proof that the suspect in question committed the crime. I feel it's a travesty when you have people serve twenty years or so of a life/ death sentence, only to find DNA evidence which completely overturns that verdict. How do those people get their lives back? What can the state do to erase those twenty years or so that innocent convict spent behind bars? A simple "sorry" in that case doesn't work. That doesn't even take into account those who are put to death, only to find out that they hadn't committed the crime in the first place. Things like this not only destroy lives, they destroy families and ruin the name of the U.S. criminal justice system. This is why we need to ensure that every crime scene is tested properly. Every piece of DNA needs to be gathered and tested, where applicable. And if you can't prove someone committed a murder or a deplorable crime without DNA evidence, then I feel the suspect, if convicted and barring a personal confession, should spend the rest of his or her life in prison rather than face death when there's a chance he or she didn't commit the crime in the first place.

    I'd go into why I feel the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment... but I think the argument that there simply isn't enough physical evidence in many cases speaks volumes more than my personal opinion on the matter.
     
  8. Damiean Dark Registered

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    Thats silly and immature it sounds okay to you until you are caught in the wrong place and the wrong time.
     
  9. rdh007 Brit Wannabe

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    I think we're gonna need a bigger box. Make more, bigger, and more secure prisons and throw more jerks in them. That's the only thing my feeble mind can figure out. Oh, and really take some time to consider what to do with marijuana crimes.
     
  10. Buttman Son Of The Demon

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    Capital punishment is out-dated and terrible. It's only a matter of time until its completely banned in the US.

    I don't know.. make less stuff illegal? Drugs? Eh, I don't know.
     
  11. Mr Sparkle Registered

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    I'm not sure, but I remember a study was made about the effectiveness of Capital punishment, and it was shown to not be a deterrent when it came to crime.
     
  12. SuperFerret King of the Urban Jungle

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    I honestly feel that's because it's too soft with the supposedly painless lethal injection, plus all the legal crap one has to go through to actually get death and the rarity of it actually happening. Start killing people immediately after a conviction, maybe it'll be a deterrent.
     
  13. Genesis 1.0 Thread Overlord's Minion

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    Well according to some of these reports, the general idea is that there should be more leniency regarding some charges that are considered less 'serious'. Lesser drug charges and other offenses that call for prison time are supposedly on the block.

    The sentencing for possession of cocaine and crack cocaine is either already been reduced or diverted or soon to be lowered.

    I don't know if that's a viable solution either. Then again, crime is and always has been one the hardest issues to tackle in this country.
     
  14. Buttman Son Of The Demon

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    I was under the impression capital punishment was in the pursuit of "justice" not to set an example to would-be-criminals? Regardless, it's cruel and out-dated.
     
  15. Addendum Registered

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    If a child molester gets put to death, the cruelty aspect was already covered when the child got molested.
     
  16. SuperFerret King of the Urban Jungle

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    Frankly, I think the death penalty isn't cruel enough for some people.
     
  17. Buttman Son Of The Demon

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    Then I'm glad I'm not you. :up:
     
  18. SuperFerret King of the Urban Jungle

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    :up:

    So you're saying that someone who kidnaps, tortures, rapes and murders a little girl doesn't deserve to die in the most painful way possible?
     
  19. Addendum Registered

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    The only person in a violent crime that faced cruelty was the victim. Why should I be concerned with the convict?
     
  20. rdh007 Brit Wannabe

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    Because they may not be guilty?

    Because two wrongs don't make a right?

    Lastly, a petty one: Because it's more expensive to convict someone and put them to death than to convict them and leave them in prison forever?
     
  21. Obi-Ron Deal with it

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    I've never understood this argument. A lifetime's worth of food costs less than a rope?
     
  22. Addendum Registered

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    Well, if they're innocent, then that can be taken care of during the appeals process through introducing new evidence, DNA testing, testimony from a new witness, or other things.

    I'm aware that 2 wrongs don't make a right. However, only the victim of a violent crime and their family merit my sympathy and concern.

    Compared to countless examples of fiscal irresponsibility perpetuated by the government, from bridges to nowhere in Alaska, to substandard workmanship on the New Orleans levees by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and even the cluster**** in Iraq (just to name 3 examples out of many), the amount of money spent on putting someone on Death Row is minuscule.
     
  23. bell110 Drunk on Capitol Hill

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    Yeah, it's easy to say that now, but what happens when you or someone you love is one of those 2 innocent people.
     
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    :dry:

    Well, if your for a civilized society then they don't, and it would be unconstitutional to boot.
     
  25. Genesis 1.0 Thread Overlord's Minion

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    Just for curiosity, could you expound on this?
     

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