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[Phaedrus45]

Question: Why is a thread about a kid finding a dirty DC comic in the Marvel forum?

I thought about putting it in the DC forum....but, for me, the story isn't about what comic was in question but the idea that this could be any comic. (And, I really never visit the DC forum.)

 

[Mystirious]

What amazes me is that I would think the same comic probably had some violence in it...yet, seeing some breasts is worse than that.

I'm amazed anyone thinks it's a big deal.

The Utah press seem intent upon living up to all the negative stereotypes about Americans. Gratuitous violence is okay but sex? That's something that has to be hidden away

 

[TheCorpulent1]

What amazes me is that I would think the same comic probably had some violence in it...yet, seeing some breasts is worse than that.

Pretty standard for the US.

 

[iloveclones]

What amazes me is that I would think the same comic probably had some violence in it...yet, seeing some breasts is worse than that.

I'm willing to bet that kid plays video games that are far worse than anything you'd ever see in a comic. But, thankfully, no boobies.

Hey, just out of curiosity, anyone have a scan of the offending nudity?

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

Haha, remember when that southern printing company that wouldn't print the first issue of Alias because it had a white woman having sex with a black guy? Oh, America.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Hey, just out of curiosity, anyone have a scan of the offending nudity?

Uh, if they do, they can't post it here. That should go without saying, but just in case, here I am, saying it.

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

You're no better than the local Ogden news

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm just a cog.

 

[Mystirious]

Haha, remember when that southern printing company that wouldn't print the first issue of Alias because it had a white woman having sex with a black guy? Oh, America.

You're serious? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

You're serious? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard

Yeah, I think at that point Marvel moved its entire printing operations to some other company, I think in Canada (maybe not there).

 

[iloveclones]

Uh, if they do, they can't post it here. That should go without saying, but just in case, here I am, saying it.

Oh sweet sweet irony.

So let me rephrase: Does anyone have any scans of the offending pics that have been judiciously altered to obscure any boobies, pee-pees or bum-bums (leaving any and all violence visually intact, including but not exclusive to:beheadings, disembowelments, and sanguinations)?

 

[Kurosawa]

And just think, if it was a Bronze Age issue where Spectre turned a hood into a tree then ran him through a saw, etc, there would have been no reaction.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Heh, this is funny stuff. My local flea market has tons of that series in the dollar bins. I should probably check them out. The Spectre currently is one of my favorite characters since I first read him in Green Lantern: Rebirth. I'd love to learn more about his old school self.

 

[Mystirious]

And just think, if it was a Bronze Age issue where Spectre turned a hood into a tree then ran him through a saw, etc, there would have been no reaction.

Of course. In America gratuitous violence is a-ok. It's only sex and swearing that's bad

 

[JewishHobbit]

I personally like that sex and swearing is taboo. If only we could get rid of that pesky gratuitous violence, we'd be awesome

Then again, I'm an old fashioned kinda guy.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think we should uncensor everything, especially now that the internet is so prominent. Kids know about all that s*** anyway because they generally know how to use the internet better than their parents. I understand parents' desire to tell kids about all this stuff in their own time, but I just don't really think that's feasible anymore, plus censorship is often used as an excuse to just keep kids way too sheltered and never tell them about anything.

But we're a country founded by puritans, so I'm sure sex will always be a taboo for us. Even the rules concerning swearing have gotten more lax, what with cable channels dropping the S-word into their shows willy-nilly.

 

[Mystirious]

I think we should uncensor everything, especially now that the internet is so prominent. Kids know about all that s*** anyway because they generally know how to use the internet better than their parents. I understand parents' desire to tell kids about all this stuff in their own time, but I just don't really think that's feasible anymore, plus censorship is often used as an excuse to just keep kids way too sheltered and never tell them about anything.

Agreed. I'm opposed to censorship in all it's forms.

But we're a country founded by puritans, so I'm sure sex will always be a taboo for us. Even the rules concerning swearing have gotten more lax, what with cable channels dropping the S-word into their shows willy-nilly.

Sadly, you're probably right.

There's no reason for sex to be taboo. It's fun and it's nomal. So long as it's between consenting adults I say anything goes. There's no reason for sex to be taboo and I honestly find the prudish way so many Americans have a problem with it flat out hillarious and kind of pathetic.

Thankfully the majority of people seem to have become more normal over the years but you always get these tiresome moral majority types who think that acknowledging the fact that people f*** is somehow the end of the world

It's why I'm proud to live in the UK, where we're far less repressed about such things. Really, the only place in America I'd ever want to live is San Francisco. Now that's a city that gets it right. My kind of place

I personally like that sex and swearing is taboo. If only we could get rid of that pesky gratuitous violence, we'd be awesome

No. You really wouldn't be.

 

[JewishHobbit]

No. You really wouldn't be.

Hey, I'd be happier... and that's all that matters really. That way I wouldn't have to go out of my way to dodge the insane violence. It'd be a free world for me.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I think we should uncensor everything, especially now that the internet is so prominent. Kids know about all that s*** anyway because they generally know how to use the internet better than their parents. I understand parents' desire to tell kids about all this stuff in their own time, but I just don't really think that's feasible anymore, plus censorship is often used as an excuse to just keep kids way too sheltered and never tell them about anything.

I think what it probably comes down to is that it's the parent's job to raise the kid, and on their own time. If someone doesn't agree with their methods or time tables, it's none of their buisness. If a parent wishes to keep their kid sheltered until they feel their ready to learn about sex, that's their call as a parent.

To unsensor everything (I'm assuming you mean television, radio, etc.) would be making it very difficult on the parents to maintain what they feel is right. At the moment, if a parent wishes to wait to inform their child, they can do so with careful supervision. And for those who don't care what their kids do or learn, you could always pop in a porno and teach them to masterbate whenever you want. And if it's just an issue of wanting to enjoy shows or music unedited, it's easy to get that without turning on basic tv or radio. It's not like sensorship is making things harder on those wishing things to be unsensored.

 

[Mystirious]

Yeah, I think at that point Marvel moved its entire printing operations to some other company, I think in Canada (maybe not there).

Smart move really. Can't believe there are still people so mindlessly bigoted in this day and age.

No wait, that's a lie. I can believe it all too well. I just wish it were not so, that there are still such racists out there.

 

[JewishHobbit]

This is the first I've heard about the Luke/Jessica no print thing. That is a bit rediculous.

 

[Mystirious]

To unsensor everything (I'm assuming you mean television, radio, etc.) would be making it very difficult on the parents to maintain what they feel is right.

I don't really see that as a bad thing. I don't agree with parents who shelter their kids. It does nothing but harm.

At the moment, if a parent wishes to wait to inform their child, they can do so with careful supervision. And for those who don't care what their kids do or learn, you could always pop in a porno and teach them to masterbate whenever you want. And if it's just an issue of wanting to enjoy shows or music unedited, it's easy to get that without turning on basic tv or radio. It's not like sensorship is making things harder on those wishing things to be unsensored.

Yes it is. Censorship is a flat out terrible idea. And is often used to further some racist or homophobic agenda as well. Censorship has always been nothing more than a tool to try and keep the masses ignorant, a tool of oppresion.

Evn a curosry examination of its history will show you that. Garbage such as the Hayes Code in Hollywood of old was specifically created out of racist, misogynistic and homophobic ideals. Such fascism has no place in an enlightened society

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think what it probably comes down to is that it's the parent's job to raise the kid, and on their own time. If someone doesn't agree with their methods or time tables, it's none of their buisness. If a parent wishes to keep their kid sheltered until they feel their ready to learn about sex, that's their call as a parent.

To unsensor everything (I'm assuming you mean television, radio, etc.) would be making it very difficult on the parents to maintain what they feel is right. At the moment, if a parent wishes to wait to inform their child, they can do so with careful supervision. And for those who don't care what their kids do or learn, you could always pop in a porno and teach them to masterbate whenever you want. And if it's just an issue of wanting to enjoy shows or music unedited, it's easy to get that without turning on basic tv or radio. It's not like sensorship is making things harder on those wishing things to be unsensored.

It just seems like violence is far more accepted in US culture than sex for no apparent reason, and since we're never going to censor violence--we'll just take out the blood and call it "cartoon violence," further warping kids' perception of violence in general--we might as well bring sexual content up to the same level. Plus, I'm pretty sure our teen pregnancy rates and our violent crime rates are higher than countries who have sexual content policies that are much more level with violent content policies in their media, so I'm not even sure what censoring sexual content so much more than violent content in the US is even supposed to be accomplishing.

 

[Mystirious]

It just seems like violence is far more accepted in US culture than sex for no apparent reason, and since we're never going to censor violence--we'll just take the blood and call it "cartoon violence," further warping kids' perception of violence in general--we might as well bring sexual content up to the same level. Plus, I'm pretty sure our teen pregnancy rates and our violent crime rates are higher than countries who have sexual content policies that are much more level with violent content policies in their media, so I'm not even sure what censoring sexual content so much more than violent content in the US is even supposed to be accomplishing.

Censoring sexual content accomplishes nothing beyond pandering to the puritan standards of the so called "Moral Majority" and their ilk

 

[JewishHobbit]

Their "Awesome" ilk.

Just correcting you.

But yeah, I see what you're saying Corp. I can easily see the double standard between sex and violence.