Thor: Ragnarok Box Office Prediction

What Will Be Thor: Ragnarok's Total Box Office Worldwide?

  • Over $1 Billion

  • $900 million to $1 Billion

  • $800 to $900 million

  • $700 to 800 million

  • $600 to 700 million

  • $500 to 600 million

  • $400 to 500 million

  • > (Less Than) $400 million

  • Over $1 Billion

  • $900 million to $1 Billion

  • $800 to $900 million

  • $700 to 800 million

  • $600 to 700 million

  • $500 to 600 million

  • $400 to 500 million

  • > (Less Than) $400 million


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Of course they are going to.
Well, when it happens, I can now quote my post to show that I'm not coming up with arguments by using the benefit of hindsight. And that there were clear reasons to expect the drop long before it happened.

Let's throw some of those reasons in here too for good measure:
Doctor Strange(very good critical reception, not a sequel, and good legs) had Veteran's Day to inflate the 2nd Friday just like Ragnarok, and it dropped 58.7% the following weekend, when Fantastic Beasts opened with $74.4M. Ragnarok will face significantly stronger competition than Doctor Strange, with more audience overlap as well. A bigger drop would make perfect sense here.

The Dark World(ok critical reception, ok legs for a sequel), did not have an inflated 2nd weekend(Veteran's Day inflated its first Monday instead). It faced Hunger Games: Catching Fire on its 3rd weekend, which opened to $158M, and TDW dropped 61.2%. The effect of competition may be similar for Ragnarok(or maybe slightly bigger because Justice League would have more audience overlap), and while Ragnarok does have better critical reception than TDW, Ragnarok's 2nd weekend will be inflated by Veteran's Day, while The Dark World's was not. These factors balance each other out a bit, and a similar 3rd weekend drop would make perfect sense here too.

In fact, dropping just 60% in the 3rd weekend would actually be a pretty impressive hold all things considered.
 
Yesterday my IMAX showing of 421 seats was sold out. Today 2 more showings of 421 seats each are sold out. That bodes very well for the movie turn out. People we're happy on my screening, they laughed and let the theatre happy too.
 
This is surely gonna get a good cinemascore rating.
 
Keeping pace with Doctor Strange's drops in South Korea over the weekend. Target for South Korea is to finish with about $35M. Big increase from TDW's $21.1M there.
 
Forbes
Box Office: 'Thor Ragnarok' Scores Marvelous $108M Overseas Debut

Thor: Ragnarok doesn’t open in North America (or China) until this coming Friday, but it has already begun its worldwide expansion in earnest. The Marvel Cinematic Universe sequel began its overseas rollout on Tuesday in the United Kingdom and amassed $28 million heading into the weekend. The film opened over the next few days in what is now 52% of the overall international marketplace, including (among others) South Korea, France, Australia, Taiwan, Indonesia, Brazil, the Philippines, Italy, Malaysia, Spain along with Iceland, Norway, South Africa, Sweden, Turkey and Vietnam. And thus far, the $180m threequel has amassed a rock-solid $107.6m its first six days of business, including $6m in IMAX alone.

Marvel has been able to somewhat buck the trend of dwindling sequels (and part 3s that sputter out) by trying to make each of their movies an event unto themselves. That’s the value of a brand that is as popular and trusted as the MCU, merely noting that the film takes place in the MCU is enough to give it an edge. Iron Man 3 had the good fortune to come after The Avengers while Captain America: The Winter Soldier played as a kind of Avengers 1.5 as well as a “must see” mythology episode which co-starred Black Widow, introduced The Falcon and shattered the status quo.

Ditto Captain America: Civil War, which pitted Avengers against each other and introduced Black Panther and Spider-Man while again offering a game-changing plot. Conversely, Iron Man 2, Thor: The Dark World and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 were more conventional stand-alone affairs. No spoilers, but Thor: Ragnarok is more of a “monster of the week” episode, since it’s remotely an insult since I’d imagine most folks’ favorite X-Files episodes were the stand-alones (Beyond the Sea, The Host, Home, Bad Blood, etc.) that played around with the status quo. Come what may, the Taika Watiti-directed/Eric Pearson, Craig Kyle and Christopher Yost-written fantasy certainly has fun with the status quo.

While Thor: Ragnarok is more Thor 3 than Avengers 2.75, it does offer plenty in the realm of “added value”. First, you’ve got Mark Ruffalo’s Hulk joining the fun, as well as Cate Blanchett as the main baddie (the MCU’s first female villain) and Jeff Goldblum playing himself as a secondary antagonist. Oh, and you have Tessa Thompson as the film’s appointed ass-kicker, and she gets to be just as funny as the rest of the gang. Throw in dazzling visuals and mostly positive reviews, and you have something that should play at least as well as Doctor Strange ($236 million domestic/$677m worldwide last year).

That $107.6million debut figure is actually more than the $106m opening shot for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 this past May, which in turn was 64% better than the original Guardians of the Galaxy, 57% ahead of Captain America: The Winter Soldier and 24% ahead of Thor: The Dark World in the same territories at today's exchange rates. The only question is, and this is all fun with math until next weekend, is how much of the film’s overall overseas cume it has already earned. So, grab your calculator, open up a few Box Office Mojo tabs, and let’s dive in!

Concerning the previous October/November MCU openers, Thor: The Dark World earned a rather large 25% of its overseas total ($438m) via its $109m launch. If Thor 3 plays like Thor 2, we’re looking at a $430m foreign gross which frankly puts $650m worldwide in question. But Doctor Strange was leggy last year, earning $87.7m (19.7%) of its eventual $445m ($458m by today’s exchange rates) overseas cume. A similar run for the Chris Hemsworth/Cate Blanchett/Tom Hiddleston/Tessa Thompson/Mark Ruffalo fantasy will give it a terrific $546m overseas total, which means $800m worldwide is not out of the question and $750m+ is all-but-certain. Again, this is all fun with math.

The more frontloaded MCU titles (Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World, Captain America: Civil War) earned 24-29% of their overseas cumes on the opening weekend. The leggier films (Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man) earned around 15-17% of their overseas cumes on opening weekend. Of note, The Avengers and Avengers: Age of Ultron earned 20% and 21% of their $895m and $945m (still an MCU high water mark) overseas totals in their initial launch. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 earned 22% of its eventual $473m overseas cume via said $106m overseas launch.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/10/29/box-office-thor-ragnarok-scores-marvelous-108m-overseas-debut/#cdee2a915280
 
Hollywood Reporter
Box Office: 'Thor: Ragnarok' Opens to Thunderous $107.6M Overseas

Hollywood and theater owners are counting on the superhero film to breathe life back into the U.S. box office when it opens Nov. 3.
Marvel Studios and Disney's critically acclaimed Thor: Ragnarok opened to a thunderous $107.6 million at the foreign box office this weekend from roughly 50 percent of the marketplace.

So far, Thor 3 is performing ahead of such titles as Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and Doctor Strange. And in many markets, it posted the biggest October opening ever, including in South Korea ($15.5 million), Australia ($8.4 million) and Brazil ($8.3 million), to name a few.

Leading all markets was the U.K, which turned in $15.8 million, the best October number outside of a Bond film.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/foreign-box-office-thor-ragnarok-opens-thunderous-1076m-1052772
 
Great OS start. tl;dr Mendelson: looking at $500 million +/- $50 million OS right now. With domestic looking like $250-300 million easy right now, it seems like $700 million is the absolute floor, which is terrific. Can’t wait until OW!
 
Nice overseas opening. :up:
 
deadline.com said:
‘Thor: Ragnarok’ Thunders To $107.6M Overseas Debut – International Box Office

Launching in about 52% of the world a week before entering the domestic arena, Disney/Marvel’s Thor: Ragnarok hammered out a $107.6M start this session. The strong debut on the Taika Waititi-helmed threequel is 4% ahead of Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2 and 22% above Doctor Strange when looking at the same suite of 36 material markets this frame, and using today’s exchange rates.

As we saw in early mid-week bows, the Chris Hemsworth-starrer posted the biggest October opening weekend in many markets and continued to do so as more were added through the frame. The film can boast No. 1s everywhere, save Italy where the call is currently too close.

The top plays thus far are the UK ($15.8M), Korea ($15.5M), Australia ($8.4M), Brazil ($8.3M) and France ($7.4M).

Significant markets where the Crown Prince of Asgard and his friend from work, the Incredible Hulk, did not face-off this weekend include Germany, Russia, China, Japan and Mexico. They head to those hubs as well as North America and virtually all other territories this coming week.
http://deadline.com/2017/10/thor-ra...ina-coco-international-box-office-1202196942/

Looks like it really followed Doctor Strange closely in South Korea:
If Ragnarok follows Doctor Strange's exact drops(which would keep it on pace for about $35M), it would be at $15.5M in South Korea after Sunday.

Comparisons to TDW's openings in those markets:
UK: $15.8M (TDW: $13.8M, +15%)
South Korea: $15.5M (TDW: $7.6M +104%)
Australia: $8.4M (TDW: $7.0M +20%)
Brazil: $8.3M (TDW: $6.7M +24%)
France: $7.4M (TDW: $11M -33%)

So good increases in most, a big increase in South Korea, and quite a big decrease in France.

4% above GotG2 according to deadline in current markets. A very simplistic comparison: 4% more than GotG2's OS total would be $493M. Chances of $500M OS are alive. Would be great if it makes it past that mark.
 
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Of course Italy https://***********/ERCboxoffice/status/924655623198801920
 
Doubled the amount T:TDW did in South Korea. That's excellent.
And pretty much everywhere else it's over performing...

And this movie is one that will have better WOM for sure.
 
Haha, I've never seen one of these films so detested in one particular country!
 
Nice that it's doing well, but so funny that Italy keeps standing out in the opposite way.
 
More market breakdowns:
Exhibitor Relations said:
THOR: RAGNAROK int'l checklist: UK ($15.8M) KOR ($15.5M) OZ ($8.4M) BRZ ($8.3M) FRA ($7.4M) INDO ($5.5M) TAIWAN ($5.4M) ITA ($4.2M)
https://***********/ERCboxoffice/status/924654852919115776

So not really doing badly in Italy, just faced thougher competition than it did in other markets. $4.2M in Italy. TDW opened to $5.0M, Ragnarok did 15% less.

In Euros, TDW made €3.66M, and according to the estimates, Ragnarok made €3.62M. So the exchange rate is pretty much the only difference there.
 
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Comparisons to TDW's openings in those markets:
UK: $15.8M (TDW: $13.8M, +15%)
South Korea: $15.5M (TDW: $7.6M +104%)
Australia: $8.4M (TDW: $7.0M +20%)
Brazil: $8.3M (TDW: $6.7M +24%)
France: $7.4M (TDW: $11M -33%)

THOR: RAGNAROK int'l checklist: UK ($15.8M) KOR ($15.5M) OZ ($8.4M) BRZ ($8.3M) FRA ($7.4M) INDO ($5.5M) TAIWAN ($5.4M) ITA ($4.2M)

A few more countries to compare.
 
Shame UK isn't up much on TDW.
 
Shame UK isn't up much on TDW.
WOM should be much better than TDW so the UK is most likely going to contribute with a much bigger total amount than TDW. How much? Well TDW did a total of 31M over there so around 40M would be my guess.
 
WOM should be much better than TDW so the UK is most likely going to contribute with a much bigger total amount than TDW. How much? Well TDW did a total of 31M over there so around 40M would be my guess.

Hope it gets at least that much or it means the UK guys didn't quite find out that Ragnarok is a big step up for the Thor franchise and nothing like TDW. As you say hopefully word of mouth has started leaking and we'll soon see the 2 film's receipts diverge.
 
WOM should be much better than TDW so the UK is most likely going to contribute with a much bigger total amount than TDW. How much? Well TDW did a total of 31M over there so around 40M would be my guess.
Would be nice. Ragnarok opened on a Tuesday though while TDW opened on a Wednesday. Since Ragnarok had an extra day to make its money, it'll need better legs than TDW to keep this 15% lead going forward.
Hope it gets at least that much or it means the UK guys didn't quite find out that Ragnarok is a big step up for the Thor franchise and nothing like TDW. As you say hopefully word of mouth has started leaking and we'll soon see the 2 film's receipts diverge.
Keep in mind that exchange rates have gotten worse. TDW's $13.8M in 2013 was £8.67M back then, while Ragnarok has made a little over £12M so far. The increase is actually pretty big(nearly 40%), but like in most markets, the exchange rate is holding Ragnarok's growth in USD back.
 
Would be nice. Ragnarok opened on a Tuesday though while TDW opened on a Wednesday. Since Ragnarok had an extra day to make its money, it'll need better legs than TDW to keep this 15% lead going forward.
I'm sure it will have those better legs.

The key international markets:

UK $15.8M
Korea $15.5M
Australia $8.4M
Brazil $8.3M
France $7.4M
Indonesia $5.5M
Taiwan $5.4M
Italy $4.2M
Philippines $3.8M
Malaysia $3.5M
Spain $3.4M
Hong Kong $2.9M
Singapore $2.2M
Argentina $2.0M
 
Shame UK isn't up much on TDW.

Basically what iEquinox said. The value of USD against British Pound has depreciated a good deal compared to Oct/Nov 2013.

So even with the weaker exchange rate, the actual increase in local currency figures is close to 39%. So the percentage increase from TDW is very good.
 
Would be nice. Ragnarok opened on a Tuesday though while TDW opened on a Wednesday. Since Ragnarok had an extra day to make its money, it'll need better legs than TDW to keep this 15% lead going forward.
Keep in mind that exchange rates have gotten worse. TDW's $13.8M in 2013 was £8.67M back then, while Ragnarok has made a little over £12M so far. The increase is actually pretty big(nearly 40%), but like in most markets, the exchange rate is holding Ragnarok's growth in USD back.

Basically what iEquinox said. The value of USD against British Pound has depreciated a good deal compared to Oct/Nov 2013.

So even with the weaker exchange rate, the actual increase in local currency figures is close to 39%. So the percentage increase from TDW is very good.
Cool, that's much more like it :up:
 
Equinox-Disney says Ragnorak is 4 percent ahead of same markets as GOTG2.

Does it have a chance to do 1 biillion since GOTG2 hit slightly less than 900 million?
 
Can't help but smile at how well the film is doing with the both the critics and now the fans at the box office. Still don't think we know how big this film could be on OW in the US.
 
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