Sequels Tobey Maguire was miscast as Spider-Man

[xxBlackCatxx]

Amen!

Thanks t:

 

[Venom 1988]

^ David Manning.

lol I hope Im not the only one that got this

 

[xxBlackCatxx]

lol I hope Im not the only one that got this

Who is he then?
I've never heard of him?

 

[Venomfan]

for all the people saying he was an amazing Peter Parker i'd like to see a run of comics where Peter ever acted anything like this "tortured soul". the fist issue is the only one. every comic i've read Peter himself is a funny guy

and most of the people who say Tobey was great were introduced to the character by the movies, so they really can't judge

that said it wasn't Tobey's fault since he had no decision on how the character was going to be portrayed

 

[Venom 1988]

Who is he then?
I've never heard of him?

A fake film critic that some guy at Sony made up to give good reviews for their movies several years ago.

Hes basically saying your him because of what your wrote before:

Tobey Is A Great Spider-man/Peter.
His Perfomance In All 3 Films Was Brilliant t:
And I Want To See Him Come Back For The Next Trilogy.

Anyways, for the topic at hand. Tobey was an alright Peter/Spidey. He did a good enough job for me to enjoy these movies, despites some bumps here and there (i.e. sometimes he talks like hes asleep). But overall he was alright, but nowhere near perfect.

 

[Superhero 101]

I thought Tobey has done a great Job in all three films.

 

[xxBlackCatxx]

A fake film critic that some guy at Sony made up to give good reviews for their movies several years ago.

Hes basically saying your him because of what your wrote before:

I was just sharing my opinion

 

[MrSmith1114]

I don't think he was exactly miscast.

While he wasn't the best choice for Spider-Man, he wasn't the worst.

The fact is, Tobey does a great job with what he has to work with. The Peter Parker in the movies hardly resembles the Peter Parker in the comic books. It would be interesting to see Tobey play a Peter Parker that is closer to the comic book version.

 

[tekcopedis]

Tobey isn't in charge of whether Spider-Man has a razor sharp wit or him being funny. That's the writer's job, Marvel and the director's responsibility. Tobey can only say and do what the script ask of him. This also goes for the next actor who plays Spidey, if it isn't in the script, then there wont be any banter from him either. Having said that, every single actor they cast is going to be a miscast, because you're not placing blame where it belongs.

Has it ever occured to you that Marvel/Sony/Raimi simply didn't want Spider-Man spewing banter, it's not like Marvel don't know he does this, they had to approve of the script in order for Spidey's movies to be filmed.

Personally, I'm not really fond of a bunch of banter in comic book films, especially under this already juvenile setting. It just does work in my eyes, or it make matters worst. Love it in the comic books and cartoons, but seeing it consistantly throughout the Fantastic Four movie, makes me want throw babies from a freakin' rooftop. I loved the witty banter in "DIE-HARD" and "V for Vendetta," because these movies were written with balls. It had mature content/themes to counter its banter, so it doesn't look like your watching a cartoon on speed.

If the movie is written with balls, then I'm all for a witty bantering Spider-Man, and even then it must be timed accordingly.

Define "balls".

I dunno, but I have been reading your entries and it sounds like if you wrote a movie it would sound like a Bob Saget stand up.

Balls =/= Good Movie

However, there should have been more witty banter. The best scene was when Spider-Man first met Sandman. He did some witty banter and then everything else was serious up until "Were do these guys come from?"

If they did that for all three movies it would have been better.

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[Visionary]

Define "balls".

The opposite of Peter Parker's Fred Astaire dance routine.

Why do fools like yourself think that there are no good well written R-rated movies? Predator, Aliens, Road to Perdition, Terminator 2, The Crow, Gladiator, Seven, Die-Hard, etc., these are movies with balls. Actually, I'd be happy with a PG-13 movie like The Bourne Ultimatum, a well written PG-13 movie with balls...so it can be done.

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Okay, now that was a bit funny. But you haven't been reading my entries, or you would know that I often name various movies that are well made and well received films. They're not just R-rated.

 

[DACrowe]

Tobey Maguire was miscast as Spider-Man

You're wrong and will never be happy with any movie adaptation.

 

[louiebling$]

Toby was a joke as spiderman.... there was one scene in all the movies where actually portrayed the comics spiderman and that when he's wrestling bonesaw and he makes fun of his out fit sayin who made it did your mother make it for you? That was like takin a scene from the comics and putting it on the screen.... and that's on only time he's ever really been spiderman after that... he was no longer spiderman IMO... I don't care wat anyone says..... someone else should definitly take up the mantle preferabbly someone with a sarcastic attidude ala ryan reynolds.... not him hell no... but a comedian type like him... just a comedian esquie actor

 

[Visionary]

Tobey nor any other actor, has any control over the banter that do or don't come out of Spidey's mouth. Personally, I'm glad he didn't keep that up during these films, these cutesy jokes just doesn't mesh well in these types of films. Which is probably why I don't like JJJ that much.

Anyway, Ryan Reynolds from Blade 3, his joking in that film was horrible, well, that and Jessica Biel. I must say no to Ryan Reynolds.

 

[louiebling$]

I never said reynolds should be spidey I said his type of sarcasm

 

[Visionary]

Still no.

 

[Gundam]

I agree! i really feel tobey was a miscast.... and kristen dunst for that matter as well!

 

[Visionary]

Marvel simply doesn't want carbon copies of Peter/Spidey or Mary Jane from the comics (that's something that fans want). If they did want it, you would have it. Why is that so hard to understand? So don't go expecting it just because you have new actors. The actors are going to be and say whatever is in that script, period.

 

[DACrowe]

^^ Well said. I like how some people give exceptions to when he actually says a joke (if I recall he had about 2-3 in SM1, 2 in SM2 and 1 in SM3) and name one of them. It was an artistic choice not to trivialize the fight scenes or marganalize them as there apparently were jokes removed in SM2 and Maguire showed in the video games he can at least half decently deliver them.

Now, you may disagree with this decision and hate the writers, director and producers for making it. But my guess is don't expect much change and give Maguire some credit where it is due.

Or not. You can complain about the new actor when you finally see the next movie.

 

[tekcopedis]

The opposite of Peter Parker's Fred Astaire dance routine.

Why do fools like yourself think that there are no good well written R-rated movies? Predator, Aliens, Road to Perdition, Terminator 2, The Crow, Gladiator, Seven, Die-Hard, etc., these are movies with balls. Actually, I'd be happy with a PG-13 movie like The Bourne Ultimatum, a well written PG-13 movie with balls...so it can be done.

Okay, now that was a bit funny. But you haven't been reading my entries, or you would know that I often name various movies that are well made and well received films. They're not just R-rated.

That is the thing, do not call me a fool.

There are many Rated R movies that are very good. But there are also movies that have other ratings and are as good if not better.

All the entries I have ever read from you are basically stating that Spider-Man would be crap unless it has an R-Rating. Like all of a sudden having an R-Rating is the salvation of humanity.

Like you stated finally, Borne and I would add The Ring are movies that are scary, mature and sharply written.

So I think instead of "WE NEED AND R-RATING!" we should be saying "WE NEED A WELL WRITTEN MOVIE AND NOT A SOAP OPERA!"

So your not wrong, I just think you are saying the wrong words that will get the wrong effect and outlook.

Its kind of like the game Shadow the Hedgehog were people wanted a mature Sonic game, they packed it with guns and death and people were like "no mature as in plot not violence dumbo!"

Or which is why I think we have Spider-Man the way he is, tell Marvel we want Spider-Man written as he is NOW than he was in the 60's and 70's. Because you read those, they would have the Peter piano thing, unlike today.

Reminds me the problem with Superman Returns. People want someone who fits in NOW, not in the 70's.

 

[sithgoblin]

You're wrong and will never be happy with any movie adaptation.

To say something like that you must either be an idiot, or you don't understand the English language and therefore don't know what you are saying. I have already presented an iron clad case as to why I am right, and I have been happy with several adaptations - Sin City, 300, Hellboy, X2, and despite Tobey, Spider-man 2.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

Tobey Maguire was miscast as Spider-Man

yes, and no

I never really liked him for the role, but, I think for the way he was portrayed in the movie, Tobey pulled it off pretty good
but, I also didn't really care for the way he was portrayed, so, if he was portrayed the way he should of been (or at least the way I prefer) Tobey would of been bad pick

 

[Infinity9999x]

There were many things wrong with the presentation of Peter Parker and Spider-man in the movies, but I don't blame Tobey for them. It was more the script and directing then anything else.

Though, had Tobey not been casted, I think Topher Grace would have made a good Peter Paker. I can imagine him pulling off the quips better then Tobey would have (had he been given the chance).

 

[Visionary]

That is the thing, do not call me a fool.

There are many Rated R movies that are very good. But there are also movies that have other ratings and are as good if not better.

All the entries I have ever read from you are basically stating that Spider-Man would be crap unless it has an R-Rating. Like all of a sudden having an R-Rating is the salvation of humanity.

Like you stated finally, Borne and I would add The Ring are movies that are scary, mature and sharply written.

So I think instead of "WE NEED AND R-RATING!" we should be saying "WE NEED A WELL WRITTEN MOVIE AND NOT A SOAP OPERA!"

So your not wrong, I just think you are saying the wrong words that will get the wrong effect and outlook.

Its kind of like the game Shadow the Hedgehog were people wanted a mature Sonic game, they packed it with guns and death and people were like "no mature as in plot not violence dumbo!"

Or which is why I think we have Spider-Man the way he is, tell Marvel we want Spider-Man written as he is NOW than he was in the 60's and 70's. Because you read those, they would have the Peter piano thing, unlike today.

Reminds me the problem with Superman Returns. People want someone who fits in NOW, not in the 70's.

Stan Lee has always called Spider-Man's comics a soap-opera, because for the most part they are, even moreso than most comics.

Anyway, we're in too deep now of Sony/Marvel catering to kids (this is why they couldn't write the symbiote/Venom with muturity, why Doc Ock turns good and why there are too many cutesy moments in the films). No, they couldn't give us a scary, mature and sharply written movie as you put it, I wish. Why, because of the soccer moms and children with whom they cater to when writing the movies, and their lust to sell as many toys as humanily possible? Thus, is why I think an R-rating is needed. To change the mindset of the people who's writing the PG-13 films. I don't think turning Spidey into Disney's Spider-Man is the salvation of humanity either, do you?

 

[Leenie]

Well, I don't think that Maguire was miscast. He did a few one liners in the Spidey movies, and I think he pulled them off just fine.

As much as I adore the wisecracking Spidey in the comics and the cartoons, I don't think that the constant one liners would have worked well in the movies. I can just picture regular movie-goers saying stuff like, "Ugh, why can't he just shut up?! I just want to see him fight!"

For example, people just can't convince me that the train fight in Spider-Man 2 would have been better if Spidey had just delivered quips every five seconds. It would have gotten old very quickly.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Well, I don't think that Maguire was miscast. He did a few one liners in the Spidey movies, and I think he pulled them off just fine.

As much as I adore the wisecracking Spidey in the comics and the cartoons, I don't think that the constant one liners would have worked well in the movies. I can just picture regular movie-goers saying stuff like, "Ugh, why can't he just shut up?! I just want to see him fight!"

For example, people just can't convince me that the train fight in Spider-Man 2 would have been better if Spidey had just delivered quips every five seconds. It would have gotten old very quickly.

Cutting the quips out of Spider-man takes away a vital part of the character. It's not just cutting humor, it's compromising Spider-man himself.

Raimi failed to grasp the duality between Peter Parker and Spider-man. When Peter puts on the Spider-man mask, he can act the way he can't as Peter Parker. He doesn't just start shooting off quips, it's almost a whole personality change. He's cocky, confident, and funny. Everything the real Peter Parker isn't. Spider-man is Peter's escape from his normal life. When you cut out Spider-man's personality (which was basically done in the films) you lose an entertaining character.

And I think quips would have worked fine in the train fight sequence, if they were written right. Not just corny insults, I'm talking more about the kind of humor Bendis writes for Spidey in USM. In that Spidey does more then fire random insults; it's more of a sarcastic commentary on the villain, pointing out the ludicrousness of their appearance and personalities. That kind of humor would have worked fine.

Also, I think it could have deepened the drama in that situation. Have Spidey start out with his usual sarcasm, and as the battle grows more intense, he begins to stop talking. That conveys the message "hey he's really in trouble." Because Spidey only shuts up on two occasions, when he realizes he's really in over his head, or when he's extremely pissed. His silence would show the audience that this isn't one of his normal fights, because Spidey's not treating it with the lightheartedness he usually does. It would add to the seriousness of the situation.