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WB to adapt Lord of the Flies

Funny I just started reading the book. Love the story behind it, but never actually read it.

But all I'm reading so far is the backlash and "If LotF was all girls. It wouldn't happen" like women don't fight or do s***y things to each other.

Treating others like s*** isn't a woman thing, isn't a man thing, isn't a black thing, isn't a white thing. It's a human thing
 
"Women don't do ****** things to each other." - Person apparently living under a rock since birth
 
Huh. Either that or the plot to Mean Girls 3 just took a dark turn.
 
This could be very interesting if they are actually honest/sincere about how different the outcome would be...but I really doubt that will happen. I mostly expect it to be exactly the same, but with girls playing the characters. We'll see I guess.
 
...but Lord of the Flies was written as a commentary on masculinity, patriarchy and how toxic it can be even on young men. Anyone who paid attention in grade school knew that. What's the point of this?
 
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That's what I mean. I would actually be interested if we get to see an honest example of all the negative outcomes of a society without men but I seriously doubt that will happen.
 
That's what I mean. I would actually be interested if we get to see an honest example of all the negative outcomes of a society without men but I seriously doubt that will happen.

That... is an odd choice to view this. As far as I recall, Lord of the Flies wasn't about the negative outcomes of a society without women.
 
I can't imagine a situation where the situations would be identical if the genders were reversed. This doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
 
That's what I mean. I would actually be interested if we get to see an honest example of all the negative outcomes of a society without men but I seriously doubt that will happen.

I already saw Wonder Woman, looked like a pretty good society to me. :o
 
That's what I mean. I would actually be interested if we get to see an honest example of all the negative outcomes of a society without men but I seriously doubt that will happen.

:whatever::whatever::whatever:

I can't imagine a situation where the situations would be identical if the genders were reversed. This doesn't make a lot of sense to me..

Exactly. Not to say that women can't be evil or sociopathic but in a situation like this, it would definitely not manifest in the same way it does with boys/men.

Patriarchy, toxic masculinity etc. (or in this case the absence of both) would affect women in a completely different way. Not saying it would be all rainbows and roses, but I can't imagine a society of women who didn't have to deal with the daily pressures of living up to the guidelines of men, descending into mass chaos.
 
It's not even really that, it's just men and women tend to work differently in teams together.
 
In junior high they made us read this, the Canterbury Tales and Atlas Shrugged and write essays on them. As a 13 year old you start to associate certain things with pain and torture, and those three books to this day I hate with a passion.
 
I feel like this is someone saying "sure a room full of blokes can be sexist and make dumb decisions but a roomful of chicks would be way worse!"

Anyway it's a pass from me
 
There was a doco made not long ago that put a bunch of young boys in a house for a week with no parental guidance, they were pretty Chaotic and destroyed the house. They also did a version with all girls..I am yet to watch that one but reading online makes it seem like the girls were even more wild.

Your a dork if you think gender swapping this story takes something away. I'm all for it and will judge it on the final product rather than "girls suck boys rule!"
 
I'm not sure if I could but such a story with the characters being girls.
 
Funny I just started reading the book. Love the story behind it, but never actually read it.

But all I'm reading so far is the backlash and "If LotF was all girls. It wouldn't happen" like women don't fight or do s***y things to each other.

Treating others like s*** isn't a woman thing, isn't a man thing, isn't a black thing, isn't a white thing. It's a human thing

"Women don't do ****** things to each other." - Person apparently living under a rock since birth

Well, I'm not sure that is what is at issue here. The reason that this is getting backlash is because one of the most prevalent themes of Lord of the Flies is the consequence and toxicity of hyper-masculinity. The writers say that they intend to make a very "faithful" and "contemporary" telling of this story. But it is difficult to do that when what is quite literally the key theme is nearly impossible to explore with swapped genders.

So yeah, I don't think a lot of the objections are necessarily about the overt acts in the books. Of course women can do horrible things to one another. Of course women can build a failed society. But if the key theme of the story cannot be explored in the context of women doing these things, then you are no longer adapting Lord of the Flies (much less making a "faithful" adaptation). At that point you are telling an entirely new story.

The simple fact is this. Some stories cannot be told with swapped genders. Some stories are very specifically tailored to a certain race, gender, etc. Not all, but some. I mean its like adapting Little Women with a male cast. It doesn't work because the prevalent theme of Little Women is an exploration of female gender roles in the 1800s. There are stories where this could work. Lord of the Rings could be gender swapped without missing a beat because the themes are not gender specific. Lord of the Flies is.
 
Huh. Either that or the plot to Mean Girls 3 just took a dark turn.

There was a Mean Girls 2?!
You learn a new thing every day.

I also read Lord of the Flies on school. I think is a great book, haven't watched the movie adaptation though.
 
Well, I'm not sure that is what is at issue here. The reason that this is getting backlash is because one of the most prevalent themes of Lord of the Flies is the consequence and toxicity of hyper-masculinity.

That's a somewhat narrow reading of the book's content, and not one I've seen many make, to be honest.

There are several, much broader overarching themes in the book, including some almost directly referenced within the text that aren't necessarily tied to gender. Society, innocence, evil, etc, etc.

And even if that were a major theme of the book and I suppose it could be argued that it is...so?

This is a movie adaption, and a change is clearly being made. That means the nature of the themes could change as well.

The writers say that they intend to make a very "faithful" and "contemporary" telling of this story. But it is difficult to do that when what is quite literally the key theme is nearly impossible to explore with swapped genders.

Which key theme is impossible to explore? Toxic masculinity?

It's unlikely that it would be explored in exactly the same way, but impossible? I wouldn't say so. That theme intersects with others, and we could see something fairly similar to the original.

I dunno, I would think it might be interesting to see "women acting like men" in a sense.

So yeah, I don't think a lot of the objections are necessarily about the overt acts in the books. Of course women can do horrible things to one another. Of course women can build a failed society. But if the key theme of the story cannot be explored in the context of women doing these things, then you are no longer adapting Lord of the Flies (much less making a "faithful" adaptation). At that point you are telling an entirely new story.

So it's an entirely new story. Why can't it be explored in the context of women doing these things?
 
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Patriarchy, toxic masculinity etc. (or in this case the absence of both) would affect women in a completely different way. Not saying it would be all rainbows and roses, but I can't imagine a society of women who didn't have to deal with the daily pressures of living up to the guidelines of men, descending into mass chaos.
Look up the season of Survivor where they tried to do boys versus girls. Emphasis on tried.
 
I guess I'm not surprised that Lord of the Flies has come to be interpreted as about gender, but I never saw it that way, and it didn't stop me from considering it a very good book. And since there's yet to be an adaptation that's considered that much of a classic, they're welcome to try as far as I'm concerned.
 
It was about a lot of things, but there is no doubt that if the group of kids was girls instead of boys, things would have played out very, very differently. I also remember a scene where the boys shove a spear up a pigs butthole...yeah.
 
What's the point of gender anymore if more and more people keep trying to destroy it...

When will we get a proper remake with non-binary characters!?
 
What comes to mind for me is Battle Royale, I tend to think it was actually the female characters in that which really made it more interesting.

Just telling exactly the same story with female characters might be a questionable idea but I do think theres clear potential for something interesting to come of it. I mean its not as if female bullying doesn't exist at school age is it?
 

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