What is wrong with the Muslim World?

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  1. raybia Signing off

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    Do Muslims know enough about Islam?

    In yesterday’s column I asked the question, “Does the West know enough about Islam?” My answer was, “No, despite the advancing technology, the increasing communication channels and the removal of certain limits. ”I mentioned the continuance of centuries-old stereotypes and the difficulty in acquiring accurate information about Islam. I noted that ignorance fed animosity and I elucidated the basin tenets of Islam to show its peaceful intent. I ended with another question, “Do Muslims know enough about Islam?”

    Unfortunately the answer was again, “No.” The Muslim world is facing serious problems, especially materially. It is most disappointing that despite its rich natural resources most of its population lives below the poverty line. There is destitution in fortune, there is poverty within wealth. The leaders of Muslim countries are content with the wealth remaining within a very small class and have no plans to spread that wealth to a wider population. Hunger, famine and poverty are not on their agenda. This conflict between the leaders and the public leads to wide-spread animosity in the lower classes. The leaders manage to divert the anger of the public from themselves toward other powers.

    The second-biggest problem in the Muslim world is education. Unfortunately the education systems in most Muslim countries are ill-developed. In some literacy rates are extremely low. The reason for illiteracy in some groups is related to the political trauma experienced in the country. For example, in Afghanistan war and instability has continued since the 1979 Soviet occupation. The country does not have the necessary tools for education …

    It is no easy task for anyone to tackle poverty and education at the same time. While the distribution of unequal opportunities create class differences, when uneducated classes acquire power society becomes very narrow-minded. This makes it easier for some circles to manipulate such people and control their anger.

    The worst is that Muslims’ knowledge of Islam is defective. They can not distinguish between religion and tradition. Islam has two basic sources: The Koran and the hadith, the words of Prophet Mohammed. Muslims ignorant of these two sources are easily influenced by the culture of words, a culture that is very easily manipulated.

    Take the meaning of jihad as an example. Neither Muslims nor Westerners know the exact meaning of this word. Both the Koran and the words of Prophet Mohammed say jihad means the battle with one’s self, the ego. That is why on their return from a battle, Prophet Mohammed had said, “We have returned from the lesser jihad to the great jihad.” Scribes who recorded the prophet’s words asked, “Oh Prophet of Allah, what is the great jihad?” and Mohammed (pbuh) said, “a battle against one’s own ego is the big jihad.” In other words, jihad refers to the struggle to make oneself perfect.

    War with the enemy is also called jihad, but that is the small jihad. However the open literature shows that jihad can not be declared by one person’s initiative. When war is inevitable and the certain conditions for jihad have developed, then the state, and only the state, can declare jihad. Any other war is considered anarchy and this is prohibited in Islam.

    Another example: The Koran clearly says, “No person shall bear the burden of another.” which means that if you are angry with someone, you can not punish another person even if he/she is closely related to the person. You can’t equip yourself with bombs, enter crowds of people and kill them and yourself. There are certain conditions that must exist to declare war and war can only -- if absolutely inevitable -- be declared by the state. In the event of war, Islamic sources clearly mandate that no civilians can be killed and no trees be damaged. Islam also clearly rules that “whosoever takes a life, it is as if he has killed all of humanity” (al-Maida, verse 32). Thus it is a grave sin in Islam to kill a man without cause. Given that, how can anyone with any justification associate Islam with terrorism?

    Islam has been subject to misinterpretation owing to ignorance of its true sources. The word Islam means peace. Islam was brought to bring peace and serenity to mankind. Unfortunately today the Muslim world’s psychology is based on defeat and fatalism. Muslims believe they are subject to injustice. Of course there is reason for this. They are probably frustrated because they live in poverty and no education, under the burden of centuries-old problems. For example the Arab-Israeli problem must have a lasting solution, because when problems are not resolved over time hatred and ensuing violence take over. The only way to reassure a hostile people, who believe the world’s justice system is founded on double standards, is to offer them education, love and justice. If standards normalize, people will return to their true values and contribute to world peace. There are religious references that preach tolerance, dialogue and sharing, but the problem of reaching such knowledge persists. We need to remove the obstacles in order to end the wave of fanaticism fed by ignorance.

    http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/yazarDetay.do?haberno=106094
     
  2. bullets bang bang

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    these people don't have alot of the same opportunities we do , especially when it comes to education. i feel bad for them .
     
  3. Jack Rabbit i roll twenties

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    Yeah, I don't know.:huh:
     
  4. DeaDheaD XBOXLIVEGT= DeaDheaDSL84

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    Fantastic 4 :eek:
     
  5. November Rain Single Mother

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    alot of the earlier points made aren't really islamic based but general problems with certain less developed regions of the world with specific topography and geographical landscapes.

    everything else is just long winded moaning about interpretation that anyone else could tell you...The very person writing this article has obviously a different interpretation of the texts to those who are blowing themselves up.

    This always will happen when there are documents with the 'exact' words of God in them because the words of God are completely relative to the reader/individual.

    perspective is a *****.
     
  6. echostation Registered

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    being good stewards of religion means being good custodians of the environment... Keeping things clean in all life will help those around us and banish evil... that is how muslims will understand the greatness of his mighty Allah and how others will understand the greatness of God as well by understanding the perfunctum idea that kinship, brotherhood, love, respect and devoting time to managing our planet well especially nature, will draw us closer to God.

    This is what i see as Sethu has said before - notably that Theologoenvironmental awareness must be spread
     
  7. Asteroid-Man Registered

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    You could say the same about the Christian world. What Christian has actually read the bible and followed it? You could say "but they don't go as far as secret killing organizations like Al Queda!!!" CIA? CSIS? "JUST CAUSE THEY'RE IN CHRISTIAN DOMINANT COUNTRIES DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE ALL CHRISTIAN!!!" same thing here. Or "Muslims will killl you!" what about the thousands of weekly Christian killings? :huh: in my opinion there are loads of people who don't follow in their religions just each one teaches a biased view on the other. Here people are shown all Middle Easterners as Brown and Muslim and Muslims as terrorists. There, Westerners are all shown as White Christians and Christians are shown as ignorant infidels.
     
  8. Doomed_hero Registered

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    Most people in various reiligions don't really know that much about there faith. They go by what there parents teach or try to use it as a reference to justify there actions.
     
  9. HCpride Registered

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    fantastic four are muslim?
     
  10. Captain_BluTac You Better Run

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    didnt marvel make a muslim versionof FF
     
  11. Captain_BluTac You Better Run

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    and i like the BBC one
     
  12. Arkady Rossovich Registered

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    I would have never thought you would even ask such a question.It could be like Catholics,over time some things may be forgotten while only a simple upper layer may be known.
     
  13. xisaacx trademarks us miserable

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    they can have 100 wives
    and **** 15 yr olds

    but eating pork is a sin in their eyes and its filthy, backwards ass religion ha
     
  14. The Senator Registered

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    This here post is why I have lost faith in the human race :csad:
     
  15. Ahura Mazda Registered

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    I think that article was very well written. The problems in the first paragraph and not so related to religion as they are to the development of a country. However, the rest is more along the lines of what I believe myself having read the Koran even though I am not a practicing muslim.
     
  16. Silverstein Registered

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    I don't feel that the appropriate number of Fantastic Four jokes were thrown out in this topic.
     
  17. Silverstein Registered

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    Muslims do fully understand islam. Catholics fully understand satanis---er--catholisism.

    But seriously, people know when they're screwing up. People are dumb. I firmly believe this, I've seen this. But not that dumb. I will not allow stupidity or unwillingness to act responsible to be an excuse for someone's actions. If these islamic people have hatred for America or England then they may be misguided but there hate is not unfounded. We do mess with other countries all the time.

    To quote my theme song: "It's no suprise to me, I am my own worst enemy"...USA and the UK set themselves up for failure. Tony Blair said a lot of things and England as a whole has done a lot. We cause this misguided hatred.
     
  18. moraldeficiency Maxwell's Demon

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    I don't think any religious people really understand jack about their own religion. You get to into current dogma and you tend to over look what the original intent was all about. If they did: Priests could get married, Jews could eat pork (you have no idea how good bacon is), muslims would never terrorize anyone, buddists (well actually they have a pretty good handle on things).

    Good topic, btw.

    I think unfortunately that it's not really the general pops. fault. Yes I know people are stupid sheep or whatever, but people rely on religious leaders to show them the way and there are so few religious leaders which actually deserve that title it makes me sick.
     
  19. chamber-music Infinity Ammo

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    They are talking about the July 7th suicide bombers in London.

    A question to North Americans, Do you guys have Religous Education in schools?

    In schools in England we have compulsory R.E lessons from the age of 12 to 16. Its usually an hour lesson two or three times a week. You learn about all the main religions as well as ethical stuff like cloning, abortion ect. You learn the religious festivals, their core beliefs and the teachers don't force you to believe anything. They tend to let you debate religous issues as well, well atleast in my school they did.

    I think it worked out quite well. You don't get a grade at the end just a certificate and you go away with atleast some understanding of the basics of the major world religion.
     
  20. Danny No-Shame King Of Grangetown

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    Initially I saw this thread and was about to kick off on a 'Racist!' tip. But I think you raise an interesting point. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about the Koran or Islam to comment on such things.
    All I know is the world's media have had Islam under a microscope ever since 9/11 (rather unfairly IMO),and that every religion apart from buddism and Jedi
    has a strong contingent of nutters that interpret whatever they want from their perspective. Some muslims fully understand islam and some just corrupt.
     
  21. Mr Sparkle Registered

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    politics, that's what's wrong with Islam.
    religion and Politics shouldn't mix . NOT in the modern world.
    that's why any and all people who choose their leaders based upon what said leaders say about their religion, should be careful.
    it's always "good intentions" that drive these people, and always a need for power.
    take a downtrodden, uneducated populace and tell them the Almighty is on your side and they'll follow you everywhere.
    so, the religion itself is no that different from all other Abrahamic religions.
    it's no more brutal than Christianity, nor is it any less self-righteous.
    so, seriously, any Christian *****ing about it, any Jew complaining about it gets to shut up.
    because hey, if the conditions were reversed, there's very easy ways to twist YOUR scripture to sanction violence against anyone outside your own religion.
    the instability created in the region over the last couple of centuries ( late 1800's and beginnings of the last century) created the perfect breeding ground for fanaticism and radicalization.
    plus, the are in Question was very tribal, forcing countries into existence and, regardless of your opinion in the matter, forcing a Foreign presence in the middle of the perceived homeland (the creation of Israel) are factors that create the unrest, both political and social that breed these kinds of aberrations in religious leadership.
     
  22. moraldeficiency Maxwell's Demon

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    This is exactely why I'm a statanist. No one gives you @hit when you act evil, you don't have to worry about getting into heaven and the bake sales kick @ss. On the down side you have to drink some goat @iss from time to time but it's a whole hell of a lot easier and leaves a better taste in your mouth than going to some religious service today.
     
  23. Mr Sparkle Registered

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    plus, let's face it, all the good musicians are in hell.
    and all the hot women, all the hot promiscuous women.
     
  24. moraldeficiency Maxwell's Demon

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    Yes, but on the downside so are all the religious leaders and politicians.
     
  25. Obi-Ron Deal with it

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    :huh: :huh: :huh:
     

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