Which Batman Left a Larger Body Count?

[Spider-Aziz]

Ben Affleck's "I use a tracer to destroy the truck carrying it while I chase it and kill mercenaries in it. BYE TRACER"

Or

Michael Keaton's "I'm not going to kill you, I want you to tell all your friends about how I will blow the Axis Chemical factory full of people with an explosion by a tiny bomb."



You can count both of Keaton's movies.

 

[Fincher]

Probably Keaton in the films themselves, although he had better reasons, and Affleck was killing people before the main plot of BvS started.

 

[The Endless]

A thing thato I noticed... Keaton's Batman doesn't explicitly start killing people until AFTER he discovers Jack is The Joker and that he killed his parents.

Up until then he just scares the crap out of people and beats them up. He even tried to save Jack.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Ben Affleck's "I use a tracer to destroy the truck carrying it while I chase it and kill mercenaries in it. BYE TRACER"

Or

Michael Keaton's "I'm not going to kill you, I want you to tell all your friends about how I will blow the Axis Chemical factory full of people with an explosion by a tiny bomb."

You can count both of Keaton's movies.

Hadn't even considered anyone died at the factory when I first saw the movie. I guess I just assumed everyone ran away when the bomb was dropped.
The only one of Keaton's that made me stop and say wait a minute was when he dropped the bundle of dynamite in the clown's pants and it blew up off screen. There is seemed pretty obvious that would have killed the clown.

 

[Batmannerism]

Dude, you are psychic !

I just posted a short epic about Batman's homicides in B v S's warehouse fight compared to the Daredevil fight scene.

Here's what I came up with for the warehouse fight.

''ll do a quick comparison for the two then. Here's a link to the Batman scene;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyVPh3Usrho


Here are some of the nastiest hits (not all of them though):

at 2:29 Batman kicks the hanging guy into the grenade guy = Fatality !

At 2:39 the guy with the knife gets slammed into the ground, probably not dead, although likely permanently crippled.

2:47 slams the guy down on the crate, he's probably seriously concussed - but I've seen worse Parkour falls, so most likely alive.

2:48 Batman hurls the crate, which slams the thug against the wall, he's probably dead or fatally injured (subdural hematoma ?

3:12 slams thug into the ground head first, yeah, probably killed that guy or permanently crippled (although the bigger problem is the knife that Batman deflected into the guy's thigh, if it nicked the femoral artery he's going to be dead really soon from blood loss).

3:15 Batman punches the guy in the face 3 times while holding his head against the ground, hard to tell, but possibly enough to kill him.

3:49 Batman puts the guy through the wall, not sure if its enough to kill him, but probably broken bones and internal bleeding.

4:40 Batman fires a round into the flamethrower which then barbecues the guy holding it and the guy originally holding the M-60.

A quick tally gives us 6 or 7 likely fatalities, although everyone got seriously injured. But that's just a quick look, anyone want to check my maths, please go ahead.

let's add to that at least 3 guys he strafed in the Batplane.

Then there's the guys in the batmobile chase, hmmmmm maybe 4 or 5.

Okay, so that's a pretty good body count for Batfleck around 15 people.

Bale's body count ?

Batman Begins (well do we really count the ninjas when he blew up the monastery ? At least we should count the Ra's Al Ghul body double.

Then later, he doesn't save Ra's for real - but arguable whether he was really the cause of that death.

TDK..... definitely kills Harvey Dent. But that's probably it.

TDKR, hmmm... in the final chase scene Bats kills Talia's driver (and Talia really, as he causes the crash) plus the tumbler drivers who got hit by missiles.

So, I would say that Bale's bodycount for three movies, is less than Batfleck's for one.

Keaton is a different story though.

In Batman he kills the Joker, and strafes a bunch of the Jokers' goons - and then there's Axis chemicals ( I count four goons there). Maybe around 10 all up for Batman 1989.

In Batman returns he kills the weightlifter and the fire breather at the least.



Clooney ? I kind of blocked out that film, so I honestly can't remember.

Kilmer..... anyone ? I don't know, I haven't seen Batman Forever in ages. I guess he effectively kills Two-Face, and the guys in the helicopters and cars (Two-Face's thugs) who crash during the earlier sequences in the films.

Maybe somewhere between 3 and 10 people ? Anyone, help me out here.


Anyway, in summary I would say Batfleck kills the most people in single film - although I think Keaton has the most kills overall.
Kilmer might come third, and Bale's Batman can hold his head high, as having killed the least people over three films !

This was a pretty quick survey, so how's my math ? Am I close ?

 

[Greens]

Balebats also killed the guy in the garbage truck in TDK.

 

[reverse flash]

Atleast we can all agree Affleck wasnt the first batman to kill on screen

 

[Spider-Aziz]

A thing thato I noticed... Keaton's Batman doesn't explicitly start killing people until AFTER he discovers Jack is The Joker and that he killed his parents.

I noticed that too.
Sometimes though, it looks to me like Batman wanted to let go of Jack instead of pulling him up.

Here are some of the nastiest hits (not all of them though):

at 2:29 Batman kicks the hanging guy into the grenade guy = Fatality !

Two guys died in that blast.

I'll quote Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks and call it a 'Mutality'.

 

[The Chris]

I noticed that too.
Sometimes though, it looks to me like Batman wanted to let go of Jack instead of pulling him up.

I always thought he did that on purpose. It's the closeup of Batman right before jack falls. He just develops a "to hell with you" look on his face, not a "i can't hold him" look on his face. Especially compared to the closeup right before it.

Then he gets a slight "Oh god what did I do" look on his face afterwards.

 

[Consona]

Clooney Batman is the epitome of Batman since he killed noone... So there you have your dreamed-of pure Batman.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I guess it depends on how many people were at Axis Chemicals. Otherwise I think BatFleck would be the winner.

 

[Consona]

although he had better reasons, and Affleck was killing people before the main plot of BvS started.

I think you've missed all the "Twenty years in Gotham, Alfred; we've seen what promises are worth. How many good guys are left? How many stayed that way?" and "The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men... cruel.".

 

[Rowsdower!]

I'll say Affleck because he sucks in the role and Keaton was great. There's no logic to it, but I don't care.

 

[The Joker]

Probably Keaton because he blew up Axis which was the Joker's base which had a bunch of his men in there, and he also gunned down a lot of Joker's men at the parade. Plus he threw Ray Charles down the bell tower, the flamethrower clown he burned alive, and the strongman he blew up. It's also implied he killed Johnny Gobbs.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Johnny Gobbs got ripped and took a walk off a roof, alright? No big loss.

 

[hellblazer103]

Bale beats both of em. He blew up an entire army of ninjas just so he wouldn't have to kill one guy.

 

[Wildcard]

Bale beats both of em. He blew up an entire army of ninjas just so he wouldn't have to kill one guy.

Don't forget he let Ra's die, jackknifed a truck and killed Two-Face.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Michael Keaton and Ben Affleck have biggest body counts of all. Michael Keaton I think bit more than Ben Affleck because he blow buildings with people up and shoot lots of people in Batplane. But Ben Affleck worst because he kill and also try and kill Superman for no good reason.

Affleck Batman just Punisher-Man.

 

[Patchwork Man]

Don't forget he let Ra's die, jackknifed a truck and killed Two-Face.

He didn't kill Two-Face.

 

[2kt09]

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Keaton - 20
Kilmer - 9
Bale - 15
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Affleck - 21

 

[Batmannerism]

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Keaton - 20
Kilmer - 9
Bale - 15
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Affleck - 21

First, terrific find ! Those videos were great.

I remember, even in 1989, seeing Batman strafe those goons and think "hmmmm....that's not like Batman." (the Dark Knight Returns had come out a year or two beforehand, and I remembered how Bats refused to kill the mutant leader, the Joker, Two-Face or Superman). Wow, Keaton's kill count is pretty high. As for the bomb at Axis chemicals, yeah, that's not great - a simple clip of those guys running away might have been good - because otherwise Bat-Keaton's train of thought is pretty much " Joker killed my parents, and he's trying to poison the city, now he and all his men must die."

I totally forgot about the guy in the bell-tower (self-defence though) and I didn't include the Penguin, although I probably should have.

I dispute most of the Kilmer kills, mostly because he simply moved out the way and those guys crashed, or got blown up by Two-face ( in a legal sense, if you try to kill one person and end up killing someone else, just like that, you're the one who's guilty - so those are on Two-face).

As for Bale, I hadn't really thought about the stupidity of refusing to kill a murderer....and then immediately afterward blowing up the building you're in to cover your escape, and killing a bunch of other people. Sure, they were killers but that still makes it negligent homicide at least (so manslaughter)

Also, with the garbage truck, yeah he probably killed that guy - although I had a mate who rolled his tow truck and pancaked the roof, and still survived.


In my tally I didn't count the guys in the dream sequence and came up with 15 (although I only counted 4 or 5 in the Batmobile chase sequence) for Batfleck.

I still have Batfleck as the carnage king for Batmen though - as I think a couple more thugs would have died from injuries during the warehouse fight.


So should we now re-phrase Batman's "one-rule" as something like:

" I have one rule, I don't kill .....unless I have to to protect myself or someone else, unless they really deserved it or unless it serves the purposes of the story."

Surely, somebody can come up with something better than that.
Cheers.

 

[2kt09]

" I have one rule, I don't kill .....unless I have to to protect myself or someone else, unless they really deserved it or unless it serves the purposes of the story."

Surely, somebody can come up with something better than that.
Cheers.

I got a better one: "I'll kill their henchmen. Let the real terrorists come back to haunt me and the world"

 

[Fincher]

I think you've missed all the "Twenty years in Gotham, Alfred; we've seen what promises are worth. How many good guys are left? How many stayed that way?" and "The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men... cruel.".

I didn't say that Batfleck killed the whole time, but he was branding people before the movie started. Also, are we supposed to believe that he decided to start directly killing while stealing from Lex Luthor?

 

[idiot09]

at 2:29 Batman kicks the hanging guy into the grenade guy = Fatality !

Tbf if you count that, then Batman in TDKR is also a murderer. Remember that panel during the Batmobile battle against the mutants where the mutants died due to their own grenades and rocketlaunchers? I mean its not really Batman's fault in both cases that they were carrying explosives with them, they basically killed themselves.

Affleck Batman just Punisher-Man.

Speaking of TDKR, no offence man, but you talk like the mutants. Slice and dice

 

[Batmannerism]

Tbf if you count that, then Batman in TDKR is also a murderer. Remember that panel during the Batmobile battle against the mutants where the mutants died due to their own grenades and rocketlaunchers? I mean its not really Batman's fault in both cases that they were carrying explosives with them, they basically killed themselves:

Hang on a sec, I think I've explained my reservations about the use of the word murder . If Batman is fired upon by someone who is killed by the ricochet then that cannot be murder , in fact it's probably not even homicide - the problem is with causation. To have a homicide one person has to cause the death of another - now if Batman purposely deflected bullets and rockets back at the people firing them, then that would be homicide, but possibly not culpable homicide ( so not murder or manslaughter, due to self defense).
In those panels, the deflection Of the bullets and explosives is not on purpose - so while Batman is part of the chain of causation, I would think that the substantial cause of injury/death would be them firing in the first place ( if not the proximate cause).
Like you said, they killed themselves.

The way I see it, Batman kicking a guy into another guy who's just pulled the pin on a grenade, is different. Here Batman actually causes their deaths - although it's still probably not murder or manslaughter, as self defense would almost certainly apply.

Again, that's just my view - but in neither of those scenarios do I consider Batman a murderer. Him strafing the trucks from the Batplane ( in B v S) is probably self defense ( they fired first) but the kills during the Batmobile Chase are a different story.

Arguably the bombing of Axis chemicals is murder ( if Batman could reasonably foresee that goons inside would be killed.) Batman cannot argue self-defense, as he's not even in the Batmobile, so his life is not in danger.

Again, just my view. Cheers.