Which family would win?

[droogiedroogie2]

yeah i know they're not members anymore but i figured connor hawke is more jason's age than tim's. and i wanted to put krypto in...i really did but then i'd have to put in ace and ace would get the dog **** kicked out of him...literally

No, Ace has a kryptonite ring. And prep time.

 

[The Leaguer]

Wow, stupid threads are more and more common.

 

[droogiedroogie2]

All three families will go for the Kryptonians first. Doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know that they're ****ing huge. Kon's dead, so he's out of the picture. The Wonderbreads will take on Superman, and Bats and GA's crew will go for Supergirl, as she's less experienced.

First of all, Helena's not coming. She's not a Bat-team member, she's Birds. So they'll take Supergirl out pretty quickly, and then destroy Ollie's team. Batgirl takes down Connor, Nightwing takes down Arsenal, Batman takes down Green Arrow, Robin takes down Speedy, and Red Hood just passes around the goodness wherever it's needed. Batsquad owns the Arrow team.

Meanwhile, in the other fight, Superman beats the living **** out of Wonder Girl really ****ing quickly, being really fast, since her lasso is a bigger threat. Then he proceeds to do the same to Wonder Woman, since she has a lasso. And then he clocks the crap out of Donna (or does she have some incredible power or something? I don't keep good track of her.)

Superman's done with that pretty quickly, because he's really really fast. The Batsquad is still dishing out punishment to the Arrow team, because they're not really really fast. Realizing that they're all decked out in kryptonite, Superman realizes that the sensible solution is to not go fight them. Instead, he picks up a building and crushes them right as they're trying to figure out where he's at.

Superman wins, because he can pick up really big things. But, man, if this was in a closed environment, I think he's going down. Hard. Five guys decked out in kryptonite, that's pretty tough to beat.

 

[yenaled]

well tell me, is the superman family going to fly around or fight?

 

[jaydawg]

 

[BrianWilly]

The Superman/Batman fight in Hush is an absurd instance to be arguing with in favor of Batman. Superman was fighting against Poison Ivy's control every single second; he was consciously restraining himself. Batman even admits that if Superman wasn't holding back, no amount of Kryptonite would save his ass.

Considering how very useful Kryptonite was against Superman in Infinite Crisis #7, it might as well not even be a factor in the fight. Three little Kryptonite rings? They'd be burned off the bat-fingers faster than any one of them could even draw their fists. How big of a prep time advantage are you going to give Batman, anyway? How many gallons of Kryptonite do you want the Bat family to have in advance so as to meet these ridiculous standards of prep time?

Wonder Woman herself is by far the most dangerous element for the Kryptonians, moreso than any Kryptonite. If any one of them gets caught in that lasso, they're not getting out. Which makes him or her more than easy target for a decapitating tiara. Her one drawback in this would be that there's three of them and only one of her, two of the Kryptonians are faster and stronger than her, and neither Donna nor Cassie have any of her specific advantages such as unbreakable lasso and magic tiara.

Wonder Girl's lasso does indeed create magic lightning, but consider that she once used it against a brainwashed Superboy and it took ages for him to finally go down. Do you honestly think that all three members of the House of El are just going to wait patiently and politely while she does her business? Of course not. Also, Wonder Girl herself is the slowest and weakest metahuman in this entire fight; both Superman and Supergirl could evade her with ridiculous ease. And see the recent Supergirl #10 for the glaring strength different between Kara and Cassie. So the lasso is an advantage, but not that big of an advantage.

Arrows are useless against both the Kryptonians (steel skin) and the Amazons (blocking things like arrows with their bracelets = easy). Trick arrows would do some damage, but not enough. Suppose that one of the archers fires some kind of smoke bomb arrow or flash bomb arrow and manages to disorient one of the metas. Okay, then what? How are they supposed to finish the victim off? Or, better question, how are they supposed to finish the victim off before the "victim" recovers and tears them limb from limb?

Connor Hawke would systematically pwn every single member of the Bat family with the possible exception of Batman himself if it were a one-on-one battle, but with all these members from both sides the odds are greatly changed. Speedy, being a relative n00b, is the deciding factor here; she's simply not experienced enough to defeat any one of the people in this fight (Robin already won her once). With her gone, the Bat family simply have the advantage of numbers.

The official final tally: Super > Wonder > Bat > Arrow

 

[BellstoneHero]

i'm guessing no one's read tower of babel either. if that much damage can be done when someone's implementing one of bruce's plans, how much worse do you think it is if he carries it out himself? the mind and creativity of tim and bruce alone could probably wipe out everyone in this fight.

 

[sethcohen]

the soprano family

 

[Eros]

i'm guessing no one's read tower of babel either. if that much damage can be done when someone's implementing one of bruce's plans, how much worse do you think it is if he carries it out himself? the mind and creativity of tim and bruce alone could probably wipe out everyone in this fight.

Never in your short life imply Tim drake beating any adult hero especially superman or green arrow. Tim Freaking Drake

 

[Eros]

i'm guessing no one's read tower of babel either. if that much damage can be done when someone's implementing one of bruce's plans, how much worse do you think it is if he carries it out himself? the mind and creativity of tim and bruce alone could probably wipe out everyone in this fight.

The days of "Prep" time are over, they have been over for awhile. TIM freaking Drake

 

[November Rain]

this isn't fair, we should throw in the marvels and the flash contingency...

heck, for the fun of it, i say throw all the humans together joining the bats and the arrows.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Do you guys even realize that Kryptonite has little effect of Superman now? I mean all it does is weaken him slowly now to the point where he is Byrne's Superman other then that it has little effect on killing him unless it is a huge chunk.

 

[hippie_hunter]

i'm guessing no one's read tower of babel either. if that much damage can be done when someone's implementing one of bruce's plans, how much worse do you think it is if he carries it out himself? the mind and creativity of tim and bruce alone could probably wipe out everyone in this fight.

Actually the League of Assassins implimenting Batman's plans is far more deadly than Batman implimenting them.

The League of Assassins have enough members to do it all at once and they'd be willing to kill unlike Batman.

However, now that they know how to beat the plans such as Green Lantern's blindness, Wonder Woman's VR simulation, Aquaman's fear of water, Plastic Man's freezing and the vibra-bullet, it will be hard to impliment the same plans AGAIN!

 

[hippie_hunter]

Also as much as I like Tower of Babel, I hate the fact that fanboys can now use it as a "BATMAN BEATS ALL" story! God damn you Morrison and Waid, damn you guys to hell

 

[XwolverineX]

Superman family, obviously.

 

[droogiedroogie2]

Considering how very useful Kryptonite was against Superman in Infinite Crisis #7, it might as well not even be a factor in the fight. Three little Kryptonite rings? They'd be burned off the bat-fingers faster than any one of them could even draw their fists. How big of a prep time advantage are you going to give Batman, anyway? How many gallons of Kryptonite do you want the Bat family to have in advance so as to meet these ridiculous standards of prep time?

Jason has some really big boxes.

 

[droogiedroogie2]

i'm guessing no one's read tower of babel either. if that much damage can be done when someone's implementing one of bruce's plans, how much worse do you think it is if he carries it out himself? the mind and creativity of tim and bruce alone could probably wipe out everyone in this fight.

NO DOOD PREPPP TYME DUZZNT MATUR DOOD!!!11!!1!! BATTMN SUXXORZ!!!11!1!! I M A TRENDY****!

 

[droogiedroogie2]

Do you guys even realize that Kryptonite has little effect of Superman now? I mean all it does is weaken him slowly now to the point where he is Byrne's Superman other then that it has little effect on killing him unless it is a huge chunk.

Like a couple of big boxes, several hundred pounds of it? Fashioned into battle armor suits?

For the record, Superman's newfound not-having-any-weaknessesness is ****ing ******ed.

 

[droogiedroogie2]

Also as much as I like Tower of Babel, I hate the fact that fanboys can now use it as a "BATMAN BEATS ALL" story! God damn you Morrison and Waid, damn you guys to hell

Well, he did beat everybody. And in the Secret Files, he even had plans for some other metas. Apparently he had plans for everyone. Yep, he pretty much beat everybody. Sorry, bro.

 

[kytrigger]

nice but that wasn't infinite crisis and so you're saying giving a "NO HOLDS BARRED" fight where bruce would without a doubt come with kryptonite, superman would get the snot beat out of him? that's what you're saying right?

In a no holds Barred fight Superman would kill Batman and his entire family before he could even get the ring out

 

[BrianWilly]

So we're giving the Bat family enough prep time to manufacture and wear f'ing Kryptonite battle armor?

Well sht, let's just say that Ollie went ahead and manufactured a nuclear warhead and gets to use it on Wayne mansion...from another dimension...while everyone is asleep! 'Cause you know, he could do it right? And let's just say Superman just went back in time and spent a billion years in the sun and became superultraSuperman, with the ability to kill everything with a thought! In a no-holds barred fight, that's what he'd do right? And let's just say...

Of course any one team in the world can win if you give them all the advantages in the world while stripping every other team down to their regular powers or less. You can make up enough imaginary scenarios to make anyone win.

And for the record, Batman's contingency plan for Wonder Woman was ****ing ******ed. "I will trap you in virtual reality!...and you will force yourself to fight until your heart stops since you're a warrior and never gives up!!" Not only would this not work with Diana's ability to see truth all the time, but it also goes perfectly to show what the majority of JLA writers, even good ones like Mark Waid, thought of Diana: a cold and bloodthirsty battle-addict who has no facet to her personality besides her ability to fight. Really, they had no one to blame but themselves that people started seeing her as unrelatable and inhuman.

 

[Harlekin]

The Bat and GA family have no way of winning this.

 

[Andy C.]

For the record, Superman's newfound not-having-any-weaknessesness is ****ing ******ed.

As opposed to Batman being untouchable because he just so happens to know every possible thing that could ever happen ever in advance.

And now that I'm thinking about it, if he's running his company during the day, cavorting around as Bruce in the evening, and patrolling as Batman at night, when the hell does he ever have time to make all these ridiculous plans? You're gonna tell me he's going to take time off from his real job or his duty as a crime-fighter to sit around in the cave and just imagine stuff to do if Aquaman turns against him?

 

[hippie_hunter]

Well, he did beat everybody. And in the Secret Files, he even had plans for some other metas. Apparently he had plans for everyone. Yep, he pretty much beat everybody. Sorry, bro.

Well I could see him using the Vibra-Bullet on Impulse, Jay Garrick, and Jessie Quick, and Mr. Freeze's chemicals on Elongated Man, and Scarecrow's toxins on Tempest, and the Red K on Superboy.

What other plans did he have

 

[yenaled]

He planned to have steak for dinner.