Who Still Likes Jack's Joker Or Thinks He's Better Than Heath's Joker?

[hopefuldreamer]

Okay, let's translate: "I'm not afraid of dying, but I avoid walking in front of a bullet because I don't want to have to feel the sensation of having that bullet in my body until it gets out of it."

Okay, metaphors more or less, he was "unwilling to be shot" while Jack's Joker wasn't not at the partade scene.

Isn't that exactly what I've been saying for a while now?

Ledger's Joker had a purpose on that. Jack's Joker did not.

In the highlighted part of your post, you are saying that the reason he hid from the shooter, is that he doesn't want to feel the sensation of the bullet.

That's exactly what I don't agree with.

I think he was hiding from the shooter because he didn't want to loose his game, not because he was in any way aware of a sense of danger, or afraid of the pain of a bullet.

Except when he started to panic when his foot got tied to that gargoyle, and when he screamed as he fell from the cathedral to his death.

That's the problem I have with this fearless Jack... I think he died afraid.

He definitely ran away. But what I've been saying is that this is not necessarily indicative of fear. There are those who desire to stay alive but aren't afraid to die. And Joker's following actions support that mindset.

The thing is, if the Joker had really been afraid to die, he wouldn't have set foot in the place in the first place. He'd hired all those goons to do the robbery, so why put himself at risk like that? Because he didn't want to miss the fun!

 

[El Payaso]

In the highlighted part of your post, you are saying that the reason he hid from the shooter, is that he doesn't want to feel the sensation of the bullet.

That's exactly what I don't agree with.

I think he was hiding from the shooter because he didn't want to loose his game, not because he was in any way aware of a sense of danger, or afraid of the pain of a bullet.

Well, certainly Jack's Joker didn't want to loose his game either.

Being killed at the moment of his big escape was something he certainly didn't want.

So why not thinking that that's why he was so unwilling to fall to his death and be remembered as thge one who lost?

That's the problem I have with this fearless Jack... I think he died afraid.

Well, it's certainly up to you to choose to speculate one way about Jack and a different one about Ledger.

What I saw: A man screamin while falling and a man running away from bullets.

The thing is, if the Joker had really been afraid to die, he wouldn't have set foot in the place in the first place. He'd hired all those goons to do the robbery, so why put himself at risk like that? Because he didn't want to miss the fun!

Don't wanting to miss the fun doesn't mean you're not aware (and afraid) of risks.

 

[Infinity9999x]

"I don't fear death, I just don't want to be there when it happens"?

Okay, then Jack wasn't afraid to die either. He was just angry at having to die without enjoying victory. *shrugs*

Could have been.

However, don't act like you've never heard of the concept. There are people who don't fear death, but it doesn't mean they want to die. Many fictional heroes have uttered this kind of line before. Dumbledore in Harry Potter had the same kind of attitude. He was not afraid to die, but that didn't mean he was going to give up.

It's not a foreign concept. It's quite common in fiction, and even in terms of historical quotes. Heck, Katharine Hepburn has a quite about not fearing death.

 

[El Payaso]

Could have been.

However, don't act like you've never heard of the concept. There are people who don't fear death, but it doesn't mean they want to die. Many fictional heroes have uttered this kind of line before. Dumbledore in Harry Potter had the same kind of attitude. He was not afraid to die, but that didn't mean he was going to give up.

It's not a foreign concept. It's quite common in fiction, and even in terms of historical quotes. Heck, Katharine Hepburn has a quite about not fearing death.

Hey. I accepted it. As long as we can speculate with the same concept about Jack's Joker too.

 

[DarthDaveBanner]

Well regardless of whether or not he feared death, I personally prefer Ledger's take on the character but that doesn't take away one bit from Jack's version. It is as great as it always was.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Hey. I accepted it. As long as we can speculate with the same concept about Jack's Joker too.

I'm fine with that. I mean, even though the Batwing scene is confusing as to why the plane didn't actually hit Jack, it doesn't change the fact that his Joker stood in plain view with his arms out, not scared at all despite the fact a plane was shooting lethal rounds at him. And unless he was wearing a kind of super body armor that we never knew about under that slick purple suit, the man obviously wasn't afraid of getting blown away.

Yeah, he screamed when he fell, but it's kind of a gut reaction thing. Sometimes I let out the occasional involuntary yell on a roller coaster. I'm not afraid I'm going to die on the roller coaster, but it's just kind of the reaction you have to suddenly dropping through the air.

Now yes, while being thrown into the air, Ledger's Joker didn't scream, but to be fair, Ledger's Joker felt he had just accomplished a goal. Jack's Joker was probably pissed he got nailed so close to getting away.

 

[IndyJokerJones]

Did Joker fear death? Only if it meant dying by means other than Batman. This illustrates it perfectly and it's from BtAS so it has more to do with the character than "Jack's Joker vs Heath's Joker".
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[Infinity9999x]

Did Joker fear death? Only if it meant dying by means other than Batman. This illustrates it perfectly and it's from BtAS so it has more to do with the character than "Jack's Joker vs Heath's Joker".
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I wouldn't say that's indicative of the character's attitude towards death overall. In the Batman/Spider-man crossover, Joker is more then willing to kill himself, and everyone in Gotham city just Carnage doesn't get to be the one to kill Batman. He also shows no discernible fear when Carnage attempts to kill him.