WHOVIANS Unite! Canon needs us!

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Okay, My fellow Doctor Who lovers.. I am suggesting that we in this forum agree on what material is canon and what is no longer canon.. I'm am talking of course about all the spin off medias like the novels, Comics, short stories, and webcasts.. We should all agree that the Television show is proper canon..

Now! Let us begin!
 
you know you'll never get fans to agree on anthing. some will say the audio is cannon due to the fact the origonal actors take part. others will say the books because they are published by BBC. i doubt anyone will say the comics are cannon, mostly due to the 8th dr stuff but alot of the 9th and 10th dr ones can be slotted in if you try hard.

anyhow, like i've said in the other thread, the time war royaly nacked up alot of things that were cannon....

there's also the CoFD, which isn't really cannon but could have been at one point. And Richard E Grants nth dr, who was, the BBC told us, the true 9th dr.

then you have the whole brain of morbis/pre-billy dr's, and the romana thing will come up if you start on about the books and audio.

then eventualy you'll get on to UNIT dating and the new crazy Torchwood dating and SJA dating and if "Rose" has been retcond to take place in 2004 rather than 2005. taking place at 2005 would put "The Runaway Bride" at christmas 2007, Torchwood ep "Out of Time" at that date also, and SJA sometime around autum of the same year....

this makes my brain hurt...
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as soon as next series starts lv your doing my avi- that is hilarious.
anyway... i'd say the new adventure books are canon at this point in time considering they have been referenced to in the series. As for the older stuff- i'm still finding my way through it and don't really feel confident in making an opinion.
i think we can safely assume putting a rug under a dalek no longer kills it though...:oldrazz:
 
the older stuff was better than the newer stuff.

oh FYI, i don;t make my avvy's...i get others to do them for me, but i have a back collection of my past ones if you want me to send them to you....
 
lazy...

i was really put off by how cruddy the older ones looked but the stories are quite good.i'm watchin them all out of order though that can't be good.- and i'm suspicious of exposing myself to the TV movie
 
Which Ninth did you guys really like?
I mean, could it be possible that the Doctor we see now is just an alternate version of the proper universe Doctor?
I mean, I'd enjoy it if The Shalka Doctor was properly canon.. He was mentioned in the last 8th Novel..

Also, Ace what is her real name? I've heard several, McShane pops up alot though..
 
04nbod said:
lazy...

i was really put off by how cruddy the older ones looked but the stories are quite good.i'm watchin them all out of order though that can't be good.- and i'm suspicious of exposing myself to the TV movie
the TVM was good, it's just people lookat it the way they looked at the old series. if you've seen the new series just open yourself up to a bit more techno babble and a bit of a campy villian and your sort of set.

and i would advise you to watch The Three Doctors and The Five Doctors to get a taste for the first 5 of the fellows. i myself like the 8th, 5th and 3rd the best, 3rd mostly cause i'm a big fan of UNIT, the miliraty lot that were protecting the dr from Torchwood during his exile on earth during the first part of his 3rd encarnation. the 5th is much more energetic and less dr-ish in his type of clothing, but is very dr-ish in the way he goes about things. peter davison also studied the previous dr's and took some of the things they did and use them while being the dr(note he's also the only dr that's still working on TV on a regular basis).

anyhow...this post is bollocks...
 
_N0IR_ said:
Which Ninth did you guys really like?
I mean, could it be possible that the Doctor we see now is just an alternate version of the proper universe Doctor?
I mean, I'd enjoy it if The Shalka Doctor was properly canon.. He was mentioned in the last 8th Novel..

Also, Ace what is her real name? I've heard several, McShane pops up alot though..
actauly the lst 8th dr book points towards all three possible dr's. and there's an audio in which the Eccleston version of the 9th dr is mentioned. however due to the various media and the fact that rights and that crap can;t be sorted out without alot of crap being brought up i doubt we'll ever get a proper McGann>whoever regeration:(

the McShane thing is from the audios, and i'm a little fuzzy on them as i don;t really venture outside the 8th dr ones...
 
Lord Valumart said:
actauly the lst 8th dr book points towards all three possible dr's. and there's an audio in which the Eccleston version of the 9th dr is mentioned. however due to the various media and the fact that rights and that crap can;t be sorted out without alot of crap being brought up i doubt we'll ever get a proper McGann>whoever regeration:(

the McShane thing is from the audios, and i'm a little fuzzy on them as i don;t really venture outside the 8th dr ones...


I hope.. Sometime in the future, McGann and Chris will be brought together or REG or whoever BBC decides it the true Canon 9th Doctor and either make a special or a (only in my dreams) movie about what happened during the Time War..


I can never find a copy of "The Eight Doctors" I wish I could.. Also, "The Gallifrey Chronicles" the last of the 8th books mentions that the Doctor has 3 Ninth incarnations, The Television one, the REG one, and the Rowan Atkinson Doctor from "The Curse of the Fatal Death".

I'd say that REG is a Doctor at some point in Canon as he plays the Doctor twice in 2 different "non-canon" incarnations..
 
the BBC will never decide on what is canon and what is not. they told us that REG was the 9th dr whenthe webcast was on, and that there were not bring the series back, with the webcasts at christmas....then the next year the whole RTD thing kicks off in the early stages and theres some talk about there being a proper big screen movie, but that was bollocks and a mistake on the BBC's part. then RTD kicked up again and got the first series and then it all got out in about late 2003 allowing "REG to play 9th dr on TV!!" and "McGann back!!" rummours to kick up. then in 2004 DWM annouces Chris as the 9th dr and everything from that point on we know about.

many thought that since there was no regeneration that the new seires was a 'remake' type series, with Chris being dr#1 and it starting all over again, but RTD said that Chris is the 9th dr, so we know where he stands on that matter.

the CoFD should never be taken as canon, due to the fact that not only has it taken away all the regenerations, but also that Hugh Grant was a dr(BOO!!!HISS!!!). if anything the REG dr IS the true 9th dr, Chris the 10th and our current TARDIS Tennant(see what i did there?) the 11th. seeing as there is nothing to actualy go against McGann>REG>Chris then it would appear that this is logical, as we only have RTD's word for it that Chris is #9 and fans have just taken it as falt out fact, but RTD has said he doesn;t care about X happening in year Y involving villian Z, so Bhappening in year Y involving villian Zcannot also be happening, so he's not a continuity freak as Torchwood proves lol.

*waits for UNIT dating to come up as a topic*
 
The fans are more or less what shapes the canon, this same thing started out the Star Wars Expanded Universe now the fans and other writers make the universe..

I say that we count REG as a Doctor cause I really liked his Doctor.. The only thing that sorta bothers me is that A) Davie-Boy says the Time War in the 8th Novels isn't the same as in the series.. and B) The Shalka Webcast made a reference to a force driving REG to different times..

I really hope we get more info on REG Doctor, I'd say officially he is the 9th, the BBC said so.. RTD can f00k off, Chris can be the 10th..

The Series needs a new writer.. and a good one..
What do you think will happen once the 13th Doctor shows up.. a Reboot?

UNIT dating, that is a whole other ballpark..


You can tell that UNIT has been seriously updated in Christmas Invasion..
I'd say that the 2nd and 3rd Doctors UNIT Stories may have taken place in the early 90s or lately 80s.. The Christmas Invasion shows a pimped UNIT..
 
well if fans are what shapes it then it goes billy>the mighty trout>pertwee>tomo>davison>baker>mccoy>mcgann>REG>chris>tennant. and it stays that way until there's a regeneration proving differently:cmad:

RTD wants his who done his way, like nothing he says isn't good should be burned. but he also says that when it reaches doc 13 that there will be a Zog cyrstal that will give him a new set of regenerations. like in the 5 dr's the timelords were going to give the maaster a new set. my personal idea is that the Zog Crystal is placed between the two hearts and acts like a pacemaker for a further regeneration cycle...

UNIT dating should not be discused lightly...nor at this time of night
 
UNIT Dating is.. the most hideous thing to come..
We could argue Certain points about it.. but we need more proof..
Why can't someone write a book that will gives dates atleast some of them and then we can work from there..

Maybe we (Fans) should search every last episode of the 3rd and 2nd Doctors and see if we can fit the pieces together..

Also, the 2nd Doctor in the 2 Doctors is uh.. way older we need to find out when the 3 Doctors, the 5 Doctors, and The 2 Doctors happened in the 5 Doctors the 2nd Doctor can Steer the TARDIS..

Also, same with the 1st Doctor for 3 Doctors and 5 Doctors. and the third for 5.. Then the UNIT date for when the 3 Doctors and 5 Doctors..

Wow, my head is starting to hurt..

Also, we need to find out what the 8th Doctor and his novels Time War is about.. then fit in a regeneration..
Since we are counting REG as the 9th we need to find out if the Time Lords survived the first War and became alittle Fascist and control the Doctors moves, then set up REG for the Regeneration in the 10th in the Dalek-Time Lord Time War..

Also, we need to find out what happened to the Old Cybermen..
 
UNIT DATES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED:

In the 1968 story The Web of Fear Professor Travers says that 1935 was "over forty years ago", thus making it at least 1975. In The Invasion, the first story to feature UNIT, it is said that the events of The Web of Fear took place "about four years ago", making it 1979 at the earliest. This would place the UNIT stories featuring the Third Doctor and the Fourth Doctor in the 1980s.


In the 1973 story Carnival of Monsters, the Third Doctor's companion Jo says that 1926 is "about forty years" earlier than her own time. This would place the Third Doctor UNIT stories in the 1960s.


In the 1975 story Pyramids of Mars, the Fourth Doctor's companion Sarah states, "I'm from 1980". This would place the Third and Fourth Doctor UNIT stories in the late 1970s.


In the 1981 spin-off K-9 and Company Sarah has been back on Earth for some years, with the Doctor having left a present for her in 1978. This would place the relevant UNIT stories in the mid 1970s at the very latest.


In the 1982 story Time-Flight, which has a contemporary setting, the Fifth Doctor wonders if Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart has become a General by now, implying that it is several years since his time in UNIT.


In the 1983 story Mawdryn Undead it is established that Lethbridge-Stewart retired in 1976 (and was not promoted to a General) and worked at a British public school from 1977 until at least 1983. The story features two timezones — 1977, which features celebrations of the Silver Jubilee of Queen Elizabeth II, and 1983, which is repeatedly confirmed as taking place "six years" later.


In the 1989 story Battlefield the Brigadier has now retired from teaching and the Seventh Doctor tells his companion Ace (who is from the late 1980s) that they are "a few years in (her) future". The serial includes a few subtle hints (mostly relating to technology such as telephones) that it takes place later than the year of its transmission.
 
UNIT dating is indeed a rigght bugger...

but after the events of The War Games, the 2nd was taken and used by the timelord FBI type thing, thus the stearing of the TARDIS in the 5 doctors, the timelord tracker in the 2 doctors, and the stuff the 3rd dr has on him in spearhead. so that sorts out a bit of confusion eh?
 
A little bit of the confusion.
Wasn't that bit about the Time Lord agent mentioned in a few books and the season 2b?

What is your stance on Old Cybermen returning?
 
yeh, the series *insert correct number here*B theory helps us with most, if not all the problems with the 2nd dr during the mulit dr eps. appart from in the two doctors when the 6th says "i've always wanted one of those!" to the 2nd, but that could be due to the drug the 2nd is given in the episode that affects the memory.

old cybermen=fun IMO, the new ones were kind of sucky when you see what they once were...
 
Now Where does the Five Doctors fit in with the 3rd Doctor.. And 1st Doctor.. Same with the Three Doctors for the 1st and the 2nd.

Who is your favorite Doctor..

in the UNIT Dating I'd say that the 5 Doctors takes place between 1976 and 1983 as those are the years Brigs retired.
 
the 3rd dr's part in the 5 doctors could really take place anywhere in his time on earth during his travels with sarah jane, so near the end of his life...

the 1st for both the 3 and 5 doctors is rather different cause it's hard to be bothered with alot of it, due to the way he enters into both stories.

everything the 2nd dr is involved in post war games is during the season 6B thing so thats that cleared up.

i give upon UNIT dating, SJA only adds to the confusion of UNIT dating, as does school reunion.
 
in the Five Doctors Sarah Jane isn't with the Third Doctor, she is captured with later on in her life she had K-9..
 
yes, but the 3rd dr recognises SJS meaning that the third dr is traveling with her at that point he was taken from in time.
 
At what point? Maybe, if it was on something else, like discussing the geography of lord of the rings. (yep Ive done that. A conversation about the innacuracy of the line: 'the uruks turn north east'.) :o
 
LOTR has no place in the world. we're discusing isuess that affect every day life in this thread. UNIT dating is very important to some people!! *bursts into tears*
 

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