Why are they making Captain Marvel instead of Ms. Marvel?

[WarMachine68]

I was kind of hoping they would make a Ms. Marvel movie, and then in some reboot Rogue could take her powers and we could have a proper Rogue finally.

 

[PelvicSorcery]

She's better and can have more of a major role as Captain Marvel and there's no major need to have her as Ms. Marvel first.

They will introduce Ms. Marvel eventually. It will just be Kamala Khan.

And if that does happen, I do hope they keep Kamala's background of idolizing Carol since it enhances her character and the theme of accepting her own cultural identity, so I'm glad they're introducing Carol first.

 

[flickchick85]

Because Carol Danvers is awesome and deserves her time in the spotlight. Ms. Marvel (Kamala) should come after her, since Carol's her inspiration of sorts.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I was kind of hoping they would make a Ms. Marvel movie, and then in some reboot Rogue could take her powers and we could have a proper Rogue finally.

A reboot that is going to happen when you are like 40? Cuz... Yeah the X-Men rights are not going back to Marvel studios for film purposes anytime soon. Can we be realistic with our expectations based on what is actually possible fellow fans?

 

[BarryAllen]

She's better and can have more of a major role as Captain Marvel and there's no major need to have her as Ms. Marvel first.

They will introduce Ms. Marvel eventually. It will just be Kamala Khan.

And if that does happen, I do hope they keep Kamala's background of idolizing Carol since it enhances her character and the theme of accepting her own cultural identity, so I'm glad they're introducing Carol first.

Because Carol Danvers is awesome and deserves her time in the spotlight. Ms. Marvel (Kamala) should come after her, since Carol's her inspiration of sorts.

Pretty sure what OP is referring to is Carol's time as Ms Marvel and not Khamala Khan.

I hope they go with an amalgamation of Carol's time as Ms Marvel and Captain Marvel. Use the Captain Marvel name but retain the long hair from when she was Ms. Marvel.

 

[PelvicSorcery]

Yeah, I knew he meant Carol as Ms. Marvel, which is why I said it's fine to just skip to her as Captain Marvel.

 

[Mike Murdock]

1. Captain Marvel is the branding that the comics have for Carol Danvers and the branding they intend to keep for the future. Calling her that in the movie fits with today's world.

2. Marvel is unlikely to get Rogue in the foreseeable future and trying to recreate Carol's stories (which have often been poorly done or underwhelming) beat for beat would be awkward at best and wouldn't really make for compelling viewing.

 

[Abudefduf]

At the risk of having my Carol Danvers fan card removed, I only got into the character when she adopted the Captain Marvel title. It was DeConnick's writing that made me care about her, so much in fact that she quickly became my #3 favorite superhero ever.

Long story short, a Ms. Marvel movie wouldn't have me nearly as excited as the Captain Marvel one does, and considering how much her popularity has increased in the recent years, I don't think I'm in the minority here.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Marvel has spent a lot of effort rebranding Carol Danvers as their top female superhero under the Captain Marvel moniker. Including giving her a lead role in their big Civil War II event. They aren't just going to turn around and go back to what she used to be years ago for the films. It makes absolutely no sense for them to do that.

 

[metaphysician]

Honestly, she probably *should* have been Captain Marvel decades ago. She ceased to really be a distaff sidekick before the original Mar-Vell comic run even ended, and had the best claim to being a successor. Renaming her Captain Marvel was long overdue.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Honestly, she probably *should* have been Captain Marvel decades ago. She ceased to really be a distaff sidekick before the original Mar-Vell comic run even ended, and had the best claim to being a successor. Renaming her Captain Marvel was long overdue.

Agreed.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

Also the title and costume are way better for Captain Marvel than Ms. Marvel. Why would they try to make her Ms. Marvel first?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Because the Ms. Marvel costume is embarrassing.

 

[Fincher]

I like the Ms. Marvel costume, but "swimsuits" aren't exactly status quo in the movies.

 

[Dark Raven]

There is a Captain Marvel forum for this.

I've always liked the original Kree Ms Marvel costume that Carol wore, which she also had in Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

 

[MbJ]

Like others said, this is the culmination of a wide-scale rebranding they've been doing of the character across all media. It's most visible in the comics but they've been branding her as Captain Marvel in the video games, cartoons, and even toys.

 

[Dasher10]

It's because Mar-Vell had a stupid name, was a boring character and his only role should be dying in Carol's first film to pass the torch to her since nearly everybody likes Carol better.

Monica Rambaeu was renamed Spectrum. Genis Vell was renamed Photon. Kamala Khan Carol is the heir to the name Ms. Marvel. That's how Marvel divided the codenames and the films should stick that that.

 

[TheWebbedDevil]

It's because Carol Danvers became Captain Marvel in 2012 and now Marvel wants to use that goldmine to make her version of Captain Marvel the one that goes Mainstream in her Solo films.

 

[ernesth100]

Because feminists would consider calling her Ms instead of Captain, sexist. But DC fans would consider calling Captain instead of Ms, some kind of plagiarism. So they went to the lesser of two evils because they could give rats ass about DC fanboys, but can't afford to lose the little female audience they have due to a simple name issue.

I'm joking btw, I have no idea why and personally I don't think it's all that big of a deal what she's called.

 

[Abudefduf]

Because feminists would consider calling her Ms instead of Captain, sexist.

Which, considering the history behind that name, would be very... contradictory:

People today might take for granted how unapologetically feminist the “Ms.” part of MS. MARVEL may have been viewed at the time. The honorific, invented to provide a way to address women without referring to their marital status, became synonymous with the feminist movement when political activist Gloria Steinem used the term in 1971 for the title of her progressive magazine. While there's no explicit connection to “Ms.” magazine and the “Woman” magazine featured in MS. MARVEL #1, the real world publication's point of view and Carol Danvers' stated intent as editor bear a strong resemblance to each other.

(from Marvel.com)

It's because Mar-Vell had a stupid name, was a boring character and his only role should be dying in Carol's first film to pass the torch to her since nearly everybody likes Carol better.

Ouch. The truth hurts. He's the Abin Sur of Marvel, basically.

 

[metaphysician]

I would say using the Ms Marvel identity for her *would* be sexist, albeit not radically so. Its part of a whole era and standard of distaff sidekicks, and it'd be deliberately choosing that identity over the several others available. Its not like, say, Supergirl, where that's the only identity the character is known as, and you basically have no choice if you want to use her. With Carol Danvers, it'd be intentionally going with the name that emphasizes "female version of male character".

 

[hopeless]

Isn't he the one whose death actually stayed dead in the comics?!

Also he did pick fights with Thanos and survived even though he was nowhere near as powerful as Carol, so he is quite a bit more awesome than Abin Sur originally isn't he?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Isn't he the one whose death actually stayed dead in the comics?!

Also he did pick fights with Thanos and survived even though he was nowhere near as powerful as Carol, so he is quite a bit more awesome than Abin Sur originally isn't he?

Yeah, Abin Sur is unfair comparison. Mar-Vell is an actual character in his own right, not just a plot device. He's just not anywhere near as popular as Carol. I wouldn't want him to carry a film, but he's perfectly fine as a member of her supporting cast.

 

[Abudefduf]

I'll agree that the comparison was indeed a bit unfair (I don't think the character cares that much though, lol); however, I'm pretty sure that MCU's Mar-Vell is going to be nothing more than exactly what you said: a plot device. Hence, the Abin Sur of the universe.

I would say using the Ms Marvel identity for her *would* be sexist, albeit not radically so. Its part of a whole era and standard of distaff sidekicks, and it'd be deliberately choosing that identity over the several others available. Its not like, say, Supergirl, where that's the only identity the character is known as, and you basically have no choice if you want to use her. With Carol Danvers, it'd be intentionally going with the name that emphasizes "female version of male character".

Oh, I agree. I just think it's interesting how what at the time was probably considered a very feminist choice would be now (rightfully so?) interpreted as sexist.

Times, they are a-changin'.

 

[metaphysician]

Oh, true. Ms Marvel actually has a big step up over. . . damn near all the distaff sidekick characters from that era. I entirely believe she was intended at least partly as commentary on such. Its just, part of following this logic is realizing that she probably shouldn't stay named "Ms Marvel". And note, she *didn't*: it wasn't that long before she switched names, first to Binary and later to Warbird. I'm pretty sure she's spent the majority of her existence called something other than Ms Marvel.