Why invest in Blue Ray or HD-DVD???

[Advanced Dark]

my thoughts exactly. plus, if this is the next step, how on earth do we get cool s#!t like this?

the whole online thing MIGHT be convient but nowhere near as cool as that.

Specialty stuff like that will be available still for sure. Those don't sell in the tens of millions it's limited.

 

[Advanced Dark]

for a sec i thought this thread was going to be about future Dvds that will be clearer and sharper then HDdvd, like ExtremeHD or somthing.. got my hopes up haha

Someone did mention that in the second post of this thread. That will be useful for gaming.

Like the future of video tapes. DAT's. Remember that. LOL DVT's, etc...I remember when the laser discs reemerged and people were saying it was the next big thing. In my mind back then I thought they'd figure out a way to get a movie onto a CD sized disc...THEN I'll switch over. And it happened. It's cool on my player because you can download the jackets onto the screen or use a picture from anywhere during the movie as the jacket cover on the movie list. All of my DVD boxes are in the garage. My buddy saw my typing about this and went out and got the 400 disc player. He's now removing the ugly bookshelf out of his famliy room with all the DVD's. YOu can hook up any computer keyboard to the player to input the names while newer DVD's input the whole thing automatically.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Talking about future technology is fine. But you're saying current technology is obsolete (which it isn't, btw). Those are two different things. You're acting like downloading movies is what the cool people are doing and everyone else is just a backwards smuck.



Quite a bit of immaturity there. So people are dumb if they don't buy something they don't want or need? And they're poor if they don't buy one? I'm gonna stop there because your post speaks for itself.

I've got over 400 DVDs, maybe closer to 500...I don't know. But I don't have a need for one of those things. What happens when you buy more and can't fit any more DVDs in your snazzy little player? What if it breaks? Or someone breaks into your mansion or castle and steals it? I went to a friend's house last night and she said someone broke in and stole a binder full of DVDs. Or are we poor because we can't hire a security guard to protect our property? t:

Research my posts before making comments. I don't download movies at all. I want to though. I think the technology is close enough that we can jump right over this blue ray hd-dvd tech debacle in about 5 years. Regarding my player...I was responding to someone else calling it dumb. When you run out of room on my player you can connect another one to it. I have 2 side by side. I'm a collector I was just talking about it. What happens when you run out of room on your bookshelf? LOL It wasn't the topic of this thread. I didn't throw stones at anyone first here. If it breaks I get a new one. It won't be stolen...I give you permission to try. If you knew me you'd know why. My point in bringing it up is also for those same reasons why I'm NOT going to reinvest into HD DVD's or Blue Ray's. For me (as a collector). I want to be able to use my remote to open up a long list of films to choose from. Something that's stored online or on my personal video server, something easily sortable, HD quality, and easily accessbile. I like what I have now but as a collector it would make ZERO sense for me to restart with new better DVD's. I've been told I can upload my current collection on a video server even right now. I'm gonna wait. I'm not suggesting this technology is available within reason for the masses yet. I personally think Blue Ray's and HD-DVD's are not worth the investment (as a collector).

I never said downloading is what cool people are doing nor did I say anyone else was a backward shmuck. I think for someone to turn their head to advancements in technology "when it arrives" is being a backward though. This tech hasn't truly arrived yet though. Again...read before judging.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

LOL, ok dude. I saw what you wrote and understood perfectly. Even the title of the thread reflects your "attitude" about this whole technology thing. Don't try your spin here. I misunderstood nothing.

What is stupid is NOT buying one if you have that many DVD's since their only $299.

Hard to misunderstand that, isn't it?

And buying a new bookshelf is much cheaper than buying some 400 disc changer. Not all of us can be as rich as you are, which is why technology won't advance to your desired level for a long time. I think you have a hard time understanding personal preference.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Not to brag or anything, but I've got a pretty nice "theater" room with some snazzy quip. On the side wall is a book shelf with all of my DVDs. I love my collection, which I've arranged in alphabetical order, and when the boys come over, they always talk about how cool my collection is. I like going through the huge shelf and picking out the film I want to watch. There's no way in hell I'd throw that out and store all of the movies on a computer. I have indemand. I can pick up the remote and flip through a nice list of films, but every film on in demand and ones that I've tivo'd that I like, I also have in my DVD collection.

It's like telling someone who has a nice book collection in their house, "hey, throw that s****y collection out, get rid of that stupid bookshelf, and just get those books in e-book form." And same goes with a comic collection. I have a pretty cool collection, many I just keep in boxes. So should I just throw out my collection and get them all on CDisplay(internet comic program). It would take up less room, no?

In fact, I'll believe this 'e-film' thing will take off and make DVDs and discs obsolete right when e-books make real novels obsolete. How 'bout we leave it at that.

 

[Downhere]

In fact, I'll believe this 'e-film' thing will take off and make DVDs and discs obsolete right when e-books make real novels obsolete. How 'bout we leave it at that.

Ditto, I'm sorry but the whole idea of downloading will replace physical media in the near future is absurd. People like to actually own the movies they spend their hard earned cash on. I don't want to download a movie and only have it on a hard drive. I want to have the pretty little case with the cool artwork and the physical disc inside that case. At least I know that I will always be able to play that disc and not have to worry about it getting erased or deleted somehow. I'm sure there is a market for downloadable media, but not enough to overtake the current majority in that respect.

So when it comes down to it, while the studios would love to not have to make physical copies of their films, it just won't happen in the near future because the public likes to own something that is tangible.

 

[Addendum]

And a bookshelf is only ugly because the buyer bought a ****ty bookshelf, or they're unable to take care of the stuff they own

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ You can own the movie on a download. It's saved on your server or drive. You'll probably also be able to download wallpapers, the soundtracks with it, printable posters, etc...You could then transfer with ease from your main unit to your IPOD. It's just the way it's gonna be. It costs less money enabling the studios to drop the prices. That's why billing is now paperless. I couldn't survive without billpay. I don't even use stamps anymore. At work I use e-faxes and actually fax documents to myself so I can store them in my computer filed safely. All backed up on my keydrive and my other computer. I could care less about the damn DVD box or holding the actual DVD. The physical act of rubbing a DVD doesn't do it for me. I want to watch the movie.

 

[Advanced Dark]

And a bookshelf is only ugly because the buyer bought a ****ty bookshelf, or they're unable to take care of the stuff they own

Oh please the only DVD bookcases I've seen that are nice are the ones with drawers where you can't see the DVD's. My friend has one and that particular entertainment center cost him $40,000. To each his own though. I have a collection of DVD's but I'm ready to move forward when the time comes.

 

[StrainedEyes]

^ You can own the movie on a download. It's saved on your server or drive. You'll probably also be able to download wallpapers, the soundtracks with it, printable posters, etc...You could then transfer with ease from your main unit to your IPOD. It's just the way it's gonna be. It costs less money enabling the studios to drop the prices. That's why billing is now paperless. I couldn't survive without billpay. I don't even use stamps anymore. At work I use e-faxes and actually fax documents to myself so I can store them in my computer filed safely. All backed up on my keydrive and my other computer. I could care less about the damn DVD box or holding the actual DVD. The physical act of rubbing a DVD doesn't do it for me. I want to watch the movie.

Well that's you, which isn't most people.. And stop guessing what this thing will be like, you have no idea.

 

[Mr. Socko]

^ You can own the movie on a download. It's saved on your server or drive. You'll probably also be able to download wallpapers, the soundtracks with it, printable posters, etc...You could then transfer with ease from your main unit to your IPOD. It's just the way it's gonna be. It costs less money enabling the studios to drop the prices. That's why billing is now paperless. I couldn't survive without billpay. I don't even use stamps anymore. At work I use e-faxes and actually fax documents to myself so I can store them in my computer filed safely. All backed up on my keydrive and my other computer. I could care less about the damn DVD box or holding the actual DVD. The physical act of rubbing a DVD doesn't do it for me. I want to watch the movie.

Ah, now it's all starting to come together.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Not to brag or anything, but I've got a pretty nice "theater" room with some snazzy quip. On the side wall is a book shelf with all of my DVDs. I love my collection, which I've arranged in alphabetical order, and when the boys come over, they always talk about how cool my collection is. I like going through the huge shelf and picking out the film I want to watch. There's no way in hell I'd throw that out and store all of the movies on a computer. I have indemand. I can pick up the remote and flip through a nice list of films, but every film on in demand and ones that I've tivo'd that I like, I also have in my DVD collection.

It's like telling someone who has a nice book collection in their house, "hey, throw that s****y collection out, get rid of that stupid bookshelf, and just get those books in e-book form." And same goes with a comic collection. I have a pretty cool collection, many I just keep in boxes. So should I just throw out my collection and get them all on CDisplay(internet comic program). It would take up less room, no?

In fact, I'll believe this 'e-film' thing will take off and make DVDs and discs obsolete right when e-books make real novels obsolete. How 'bout we leave it at that.

Books aren't the same as DVD's. You actually hold the book and read it with your eyes. Go ahead and pick up a DVD and stare at it for 20 days straight you still won't see the movie. I keep my comics in boxes too. I have 7,000 books. I read them once or twice and store them away. I actually read them and there is an actual value to some due to limited print runs. I can understand buying limited edition DVD's with all the special features. I think it's cool when my friend comes over and I hand him the remote and say...pick a film. As he goes through the list they can't believe it's all inside my DVD player. You can see all the DVD jackets going by on my plasma and then you just click the one you want to watch. I don't know a soul who's impressed by a $11.99 DVD jacket you can buy at Walmart or pick up for 5 bucks used at Blockbuster. When my buddies come over to watch a film we're not their to hunch over a bookshelf and tilt our head to the side for 30 minutes searching for a movie. We're there to watch a flick.

 

[Downhere]

^ You can own the movie on a download. It's saved on your server or drive. You'll probably also be able to download wallpapers, the soundtracks with it, printable posters, etc...You could then transfer with ease from your main unit to your IPOD. It's just the way it's gonna be. It costs less money enabling the studios to drop the prices. That's why billing is now paperless. I couldn't survive without billpay. I don't even use stamps anymore. At work I use e-faxes and actually fax documents to myself so I can store them in my computer filed safely. All backed up on my keydrive and my other computer. I could care less about the damn DVD box or holding the actual DVD. The physical act of rubbing a DVD doesn't do it for me. I want to watch the movie.

Well, the problem is your outlook is different from the average Joe's and Jane's. While you own the movie you download, things can go wrong and it could be erased. Plus, the fact that if you have a friend that wants to borrow the movie you won't be able to let them borrow it due to it being on your hard drive and server. I don't think studio's will want to allow users to burn copies anytime they want. Now, while you don't care about the tangible copy of the film, I can guarantee you that many do. Plus the time it takes to actually download the film comes into question and not everyone has the ability to do this in a timely fashion. Plus you have to think about what companies like Best Buy or Circuit City will think of such a system. Most of their sales do come from software, and with no software, they will lose a lot of sales.

Ultimately, I think both can coexist similar to MP3 and CD's...but not to the same scale.

 

[StrainedEyes]

Ah, now it's all starting to come together.

Why does he "rub" dvds?

 

[Advanced Dark]

Ah, now it's all starting to come together.

LOL I understand there are people who like their collections. I do to. I have a huge DVD collection. But I'm collecting the movies themselves to watch. That's it. The rest means nothing to me. So for those who are interested in the dvd cases and touching the DVD's...I can understand their resistance to the future. I realize there are those who collect records, and 8 tracks...but that doesnt' mean the rest of the world won't keep moving forward and changing. I know it's not happening instantly tomorrow but if 5 years the video/movie market will NOT be close to what it is today.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Why does he "rub" dvds?

It feels good.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Well, the problem is your outlook is different from the average Joe's and Jane's. While you own the movie you download, things can go wrong and it could be erased. Plus, the fact that if you have a friend that wants to borrow the movie you won't be able to let them borrow it due to it being on your hard drive and server. I don't think studio's will want to allow users to burn copies anytime they want. Now, while you don't care about the tangible copy of the film, I can guarantee you that many do. Plus the time it takes to actually download the film comes into question and not everyone has the ability to do this in a timely fashion. Plus you have to think about what companies like Best Buy or Circuit City will think of such a system. Most of their sales do come from software, and with no software, they will lose a lot of sales.

Ultimately, I think both can coexist similar to MP3 and CD's...but not to the same scale.

That's BS. Just like an ipod. You own the songs. If your IPOD gets damaged or erased you still have the songs stored online on I-Tunes. They don't vanish. DVD's on the other hand if you scratch it...there is no refund unless you backed it up on another DVD which costs money. I think some of you are confused on what I think is gonna take over. I'm talking about downloading movies off the net. The article in the first post was just a soloution to the internet speeds...for right now. 5 years those kiosks and key drives won't be needed as download speeds will be much faster. The keydrive kiosk thing will never take over. There's alot of topics going on here.

 

[StrainedEyes]

Books aren't the same as DVD's. You actually hold the book and read it with your eyes. Go ahead and pick up a DVD and stare at it for 20 days straight you still won't see the movie. I keep my comics in boxes too. I have 7,000 books. I read them once or twice and store them away. I actually read them and there is an actual value to some due to limited print runs. I can understand buying limited edition DVD's with all the special features. I think it's cool when my friend comes over and I hand him the remote and say...pick a film. As he goes through the list they can't believe it's all inside my DVD player. You can see all the DVD jackets going by on my plasma and then you just click the one you want to watch. I don't know a soul who's impressed by a $11.99 DVD jacket you can buy at Walmart or pick up for 5 bucks used at Blockbuster. When my buddies come over to watch a film we're not their to hunch over a bookshelf and tilt our head to the side for 30 minutes searching for a movie. We're there to watch a flick.

Good for you and your friends who don't organize your movies so it doesn't take you 30 minutes to find it.

We get it, you want to have all your movies in a small box on your entertainment center. We get it. Stop baggering us with that fact.

You are in the small minority of people who appearently despise the fact that your dvd comes in a stupid throwaway case. But most people like to have a bookshelf full of dvds, like a bookshelf full of books. It doesn't matter that you don't read the dvd, what matters is the sight of all your movies next to eachother.

Your opinions are not fact, much like ours aren't either. But you are in the minority.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Books aren't the same as DVD's. You actually hold the book and read it with your eyes. Go ahead and pick up a DVD and stare at it for 20 days straight you still won't see the movie. I keep my comics in boxes too. I have 7,000 books. I read them once or twice and store them away. I actually read them and there is an actual value to some due to limited print runs. I can understand buying limited edition DVD's with all the special features. I think it's cool when my friend comes over and I hand him the remote and say...pick a film. As he goes through the list they can't believe it's all inside my DVD player. You can see all the DVD jackets going by on my plasma and then you just click the one you want to watch. I don't know a soul who's impressed by a $11.99 DVD jacket you can buy at Walmart or pick up for 5 bucks used at Blockbuster. When my buddies come over to watch a film we're not their to hunch over a bookshelf and tilt our head to the side for 30 minutes searching for a movie. We're there to watch a flick.

Maybe YOU won't.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Maybe YOU won't.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Good for you and your friends who don't organize your movies so it doesn't take you 30 minutes to find it.

We get it, you want to have all your movies in a small box on your entertainment center. We get it. Stop baggering us with that fact.

You are in the small minority of people who appearently despise the fact that your dvd comes in a stupid throwaway case. But most people like to have a bookshelf full of dvds, like a bookshelf full of books. It doesn't matter that you don't read the dvd, what matters is the sight of all your movies next to eachother.

Your opinions are not fact, much like ours aren't either. But you are in the minority.

I'm not baggering anyone cupcake. It's called a debate. I said something...then someone responded. I respond back because you clearly didnt' get my point..or you wouldn't have said what you did.

 

[Mr. Socko]

That's BS. Just like an ipod. You own the songs. If your IPOD gets damaged or erased you still have the songs stored online on I-Tunes. They don't vanish. DVD's on the other hand if you scratch it...there is no refund unless you backed it up on another DVD which costs money. I think some of you are confused on what I think is gonna take over. I'm talking about downloading movies off the net. The article in the first post was just a soloution to the internet speeds...for right now. 5 years those kiosks and key drives won't be needed as download speeds will be much faster. The keydrive kiosk thing will never take over. There's alot of topics going on here.

All that aside, it will suck having to throw thousands of dollars of DVDs away when the next big format comes around(whatever it may be). Luckily, I didn't collect hundreds of VHS's. God, it's going to be gut wrenching throwing them away years from now

 

[Advanced Dark]

Good for you and your friends who don't organize your movies so it doesn't take you 30 minutes to find it.

We get it, you want to have all your movies in a small box on your entertainment center. We get it. Stop baggering us with that fact.

You are in the small minority of people who appearently despise the fact that your dvd comes in a stupid throwaway case. But most people like to have a bookshelf full of dvds, like a bookshelf full of books. It doesn't matter that you don't read the dvd, what matters is the sight of all your movies next to eachother.

Your opinions are not fact, much like ours aren't either. But you are in the minority.

The fact is DVD's are becoming obsolete like it or not. It's not an opinion. There not going anywhere right now because its the most affordable and best medium for movies right now. HD DVD's and Blue-Rays are an improvement for the High Definition crowd which is a growing crowd but still a minority as most people can't afford a plasma or HD TV and home theatre of any signficance. How did this argument come to this? My whole point is "I" do NOT want to start my massive DVD Collection over by buying 700 new DVD's in either of the two new formats. With downloads so close to being reasonable I'll just jump over the brawl of standards. That's all I've been saying. I'm not downloading movies now and don't think I really will be for about 5 years. I also don't think Blue Rays or HD-DVD's will take over within that 5 years. That's my point. Imagine the cost of replacing all of those DVD's and switching to the new format while their fighting over which one is the standard. It's idiocy.

 

[Downhere]

That's BS. Just like an ipod. You own the songs. If your IPOD gets damaged or erased you still have the songs stored online on I-Tunes. They don't vanish. DVD's on the other hand if you scratch it...there is no refund unless you backed it up on another DVD which costs money. I think some of you are confused on what I think is gonna take over. I'm talking about downloading movies off the net. The article in the first post was just a soloution to the internet speeds...for right now. 5 years those kiosks and key drives won't be needed as download speeds will be much faster. The keydrive kiosk thing will never take over. There's alot of topics going on here.

Your missing something here. A hard drive can fail. It's happened to me before and it is a possibility to consider. I had a hard drive fail with everything that was on it lost forever. So to say that it is BS is a bit much. And you have to consider that music is totally different from films. One song is a few minutes a movie is a couple of hours. You need a great deal more space to hold one hundred films than one hundred songs. Not to mention the fact that as we move to High Definition, the space requirement continues to get higher.

Either way, physical media is here to stay. There is too much money involved in it with a majority of sales being software for electronic stores and even places such as Target and Wal-Mart. Just like music on CD's is not going to go anywhere, the same will happen with films on disc.

 

[Advanced Dark]

All that aside, it will suck having to throw thousands of dollars of DVDs away when the next big format comes around(whatever it may be). Luckily, I didn't collect hundreds of VHS's. God, it's going to be gut wrenching throwing them away years from now

I did. LOL Like I said before I had about 700-800 VHS tapes. I threw them all away. Every damn one in a dumpster. I replaced all the ones that mattered and then some with DVD's. Now suddenly there's this new format...which is just a better DVD? Are you kidding me. I'm not starting that over again. I'll just rent and wait. It was exhausing switching from VHS to DVD.