Apocalypse Will Dazzler and Psylocke be in?

[GuestStar2004]

Truth be told x-force is gonna have to be its own beast, it can't be full of x-men future characters we have seen otherwise what's the point

 

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I agree, I guess. Separating OT cast from X-Force cast could leave more room for development for other muties. Later on they could have a massive crossover between X-Factor, X-Force and X-Men (OC) and call it XXX. ;D

I was joking about Cyrus, Perry and Britney.

Hey I caught that joke

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

I feel Dazzler will have a cameo at the least hopefully.

Psylocke would be nice

 

[psylockolussus]

Go and read Remenders Uncanny X-Force. Now. A modern X-Force without her just seems wrong now.

I have no interest in reading Uncanny X-Force. I prefer her to appear with the X-Men.

 

[micsin]

Dazzler will likely get a cameo.
Psylocke will probably hang back until X-Force, if that's ever made.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Gemma Chan my official pick going forward...

 

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Speaking of Psylocke... there's a new film about consciousness transfer! doesn't look to shabby:

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[josh8]

I have no interest in reading Uncanny X-Force. I prefer her to appear with the X-Men.

That iteration of X-Force was actually still an X-Men team... they just happened to be working in secret. It was very much still an X-Men book and it was the most development and best portrayal Betsy has ever gotten in a comics arc, hands down. She was the heart and soul of the story... something no writer has ever done for the oft-underappreciated Betsy Braddock.

I understand why you want her to be in an X-Men story only, but she never got her due until she was in a "spin-off" (at least in name). Just try to keep an open mind. The series was the best X-Men storyline since Whedon's "Gifted", spin-off or no spin-off.

 

[psylockolussus]

That iteration of X-Force was actually still an X-Men team... they just happened to be working in secret. It was very much still an X-Men book and it was the most development and best portrayal Betsy has ever gotten in a comics arc, hands down. She was the heart and soul of the story... something no writer has ever done for the oft-underappreciated Betsy Braddock.

I understand why you want her to be in an X-Men story only, but she never got her due until she was in a "spin-off" (at least in name). Just try to keep an open mind. The series was the best X-Men storyline since Whedon's "Gifted", spin-off or no spin-off.

And as if we get a X-Force movie she will be automatically be the focus. It depends on the writer.. like I said she could be the next Colossus or she could be the female Wolverine in terms of importance. And I just feel like shes been a main stay of the X-Men for so long in the comics and she never got a chance to be part of the main team in the cartoons that Id hate that if in the movies, she would just end up as a member of a spin off team or another mutant team.

 

[SuperT]

She was never a mainstay on the X-Men team in the comics either. As josh put it, she's the heart and soul of X-Force, and has been for a very long time. Moreso than she ever was on the X-Men team.

 

[psylockolussus]

Speaking of Psylocke... there's a new film about consciousness transfer! doesn't look to shabby:

[YT]71fWtJXEI0Q[/YT]

Looks cool!

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

As josh put it, she's the heart and soul of X-Force, and has been for a very long time. Moreso than she ever was on the X-Men team.

She was the best female character on the most popular X-Men team ever the Blue Team. She deserves a spot on the team eventually imo. Every other member of that team has had multiple film appearances and upcoming solo film's for two of them. Psylocke is the only one who has gotten her proper due.

She got the short end of the stick because Storm > Psylocke in the animated series and that stunted her growth from then. But Psylocke is still a great xman and she hits multiple boxes on the check list in today's market for super hero. It's not making much sense why she's not involved or in the plans (hopefully wrong).

 

[josh8]

She was the best female character on the most popular X-Men team ever the Blue Team. She deserves a spot on the team eventually imo. Every other member of that team has had multiple film appearances and upcoming solo film's for two of them. Psylocke is the only one who has gotten her proper due.

She got the short end of the stick because Storm > Psylocke in the animated series and that stunted her growth from then. But Psylocke is still a great xman and she hits multiple boxes on the check list in today's market for super hero. It's not making much sense why she's not involved or in the plans (hopefully wrong).

She definitely deserves to be front and center, but I think what SuperT meant was that she's always pushed aside. Her tenure as a core X-Men member never lasted that long. She was always shoved in the background, sent to another dimension, blah blah.

She was a core member of the Blue Team, but for a while she was portrayed as a suspicious member, untrusted... not noble like the rest of them. That always bugged me. Eventually they explained it away with the Kwannon thing, but it still left little room for actual development.

And as if we get a X-Force movie she will be automatically be the focus. It depends on the writer.. like I said she could be the next Colossus or she could be the female Wolverine in terms of importance. And I just feel like shes been a main stay of the X-Men for so long in the comics and she never got a chance to be part of the main team in the cartoons that Id hate that if in the movies, she would just end up as a member of a spin off team or another mutant team.

I was just referring to your completely writing off the comic book series. Just saying you should give it a chance if you ever have the time.

 

[psylockolussus]

She definitely deserves to be front and center, but I think what SuperT meant was that she's always pushed aside. Her tenure as a core X-Men member never lasted that long. She was always shoved in the background, sent to another dimension, blah blah.

She was a core member of the Blue Team, but for a while she was portrayed as a suspicious member, untrusted... not noble like the rest of them. That always bugged me. Eventually they explained it away

I actually liked that part. Psylocke is mysterious and if people think they wouldnt do her justice if shes part of the main team...then what about if Gambit and Angel also joined the team. It depends on the writer. Psylocke is one of those characters that I think should be part of the main team and when I think of X-Force... I think of Shatterstar, Domino, Feral, Cable.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

She was a core member of the Blue Team, but for a while she was portrayed as a suspicious member, untrusted... not noble like the rest of them.

Everybody can't be a saint. And who doesn't like a bad girl? A Mutant Ninja British Asian Psychic I mean hello sign me up

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

I actually liked that part.

 

[psylockolussus]

 

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Looks cool!

I know! And Ryan Reynolds is it, but not as Deadpool of course. More as someone struggling to hold onto his own identity after a mind transfer. It's on my endless to-watch list, next to Ex Machina and manymore.

 

[def28]

That iteration of X-Force was actually still an X-Men team... they just happened to be working in secret. It was very much still an X-Men book and it was the most development and best portrayal Betsy has ever gotten in a comics arc, hands down. She was the heart and soul of the story... something no writer has ever done for the oft-underappreciated Betsy Braddock.

I understand why you want her to be in an X-Men story only, but she never got her due until she was in a "spin-off" (at least in name). Just try to keep an open mind. The series was the best X-Men storyline since Whedon's "Gifted", spin-off or no spin-off.

This.

 

[josh8]

I actually liked that part. Psylocke is mysterious and if people think they wouldnt do her justice if shes part of the main team...then what about if Gambit and Angel also joined the team. It depends on the writer. Psylocke is one of those characters that I think should be part of the main team and when I think of X-Force... I think of Shatterstar, Domino, Feral, Cable.

Everybody can't be a saint. And who doesn't like a bad girl? A Mutant Ninja British Asian Psychic I mean hello sign me up

I did like it to an extent, but it was kind of done in a lazy way and then written off as just Kwannon's actual personality in a throwaway line many issues later.

And yes, Psylocke does deserve to be a star character in an X-Men movie. Again, I was just talking about the comics series. That Uncanny X-Force series would actually make a great, present-day follow-up to X-Men: Apocalypse movie as an actual X-Men movie. Like I said, it was X-Force in name only. It had nothing to do with the 90s X-Force. If they wanted to distance themselves a bit from the OT characters (since they now have young versions of those people), a core X-Men movie staring Psylocke, maybe Logan, and a few more core X-Men characters could totally be the next step. Perhaps Xavier sends the covert X-Men to hunt/prevent the re-emergence of Apocalypse...

This.

 

[Sithborg]

I have no interest in reading Uncanny X-Force. I prefer her to appear with the X-Men.

Your loss. It is the best X-run in quite some time. It makes the best use of most of the characters than others have in ages. It made me a fan of Fantomex!! It is perhaps the greatest Apocalypse story made, and he isn't really in it a lot. It has some of the most heartbreaking kills in a long time. Though, I do need to read Aaron's Wolverine run, as I do believe there is some synergy in storytelling going on.

Plus, a shark eating it's way out of Blob's stomache.

I'm willing to say Psylocke and Wolverine are now just as important X-force members as any from the original run.

 

[def28]

Agreed. If not more so now.

The deaths are pretty amazing. Betsy giving Warren his peace is one of my favorite moments from any comic book.

And yeah Fantomex is one of the best characters in that run. Too bad Remender seems to be the only who can write him well.

And yes, Psylocke does deserve to be a star character in an X-Men movie. Again, I was just talking about the comics series. That Uncanny X-Force series would actually make a great, present-day follow-up to X-Men: Apocalypse movie as an actual X-Men movie. Like I said, it was X-Force in name only. It had nothing to do with the 90s X-Force. If they wanted to distance themselves a bit from the OT characters (since they now have young versions of those people), a core X-Men movie staring Psylocke, maybe Logan, and a few more core X-Men characters could totally be the next step. Perhaps Xavier sends the covert X-Men to hunt/prevent the re-emergence of Apocalypse...

Yeah, main story wise Deadpool is really the only connection there regarding 90's X-Force. And even then it's still his first time being an actual member and there's nothing really carrying over. More on the previous Yost Vol3 side of things, but overall it plays almost like a sequel to AOA. Fans would be more lost not having read AOA, Morrisons run or other X books about the characters history. Fantomex and Betsy's history alone can be a bit out there and confusing. I agree it would be an excellent follow up film wise next. They definitely have the set up for it as far as titles go. Hoping that 2018 flick is X-Force.

The themes and personal consequences of murder, revenge, rebirth and forgiveness are some of the heaviest and well done through the entire history of X-Men books. What sucks is that even though Dark Angel Saga was pretty much deemed an instant classic on it's release I've noticed too many X fans will put it off just cause it's a newer story or isn't under the X-Men name. Ultimately their loss, but still sucks as that run deserves to be way more popular. Hopefully it's just a matter of time.

 

[Havok83]

I did like it to an extent, but it was kind of done in a lazy way and then written off as just Kwannon's actual personality in a throwaway line many issues later.

And yes, Psylocke does deserve to be a star character in an X-Men movie. Again, I was just talking about the comics series. That Uncanny X-Force series would actually make a great, present-day follow-up to X-Men: Apocalypse movie as an actual X-Men movie. Like I said, it was X-Force in name only. It had nothing to do with the 90s X-Force. If they wanted to distance themselves a bit from the OT characters (since they now have young versions of those people), a core X-Men movie staring Psylocke, maybe Logan, and a few more core X-Men characters could totally be the next step. Perhaps Xavier sends the covert X-Men to hunt/prevent the re-emergence of Apocalypse...

IDA. It had nothing to do with the 90s X-force in terms of story, but it had everything to do with it in terms of theme and legacy. Besides it was closely linked to X-force (2008), which it was a follow up to. It was not X-force in name only. That thing was alot darker and handled themes which were not common for the X-men books. The original X-force was a strike force, which was more aggressive and militant and took the fight directly to their opponents and that was inspired by the dark future that Cable lived in, which he was trying to prevent. Cyclop's X-force was an evolution of that team, except his were secret assassins, covertly killing their enemies as a reaction to the bleak outlook for mutantkind following M-day. Uncanny X-force brought it all full circle with the uprising of Apocalypse and those implications, which again inspired Cable t form the original group

If and when Uncanny X-force is adapted to the filmverse, it needs to remain titled X-force and not X-men. I dont think that mature tone fits for an X-men film "X-men don't kill". They are heroes and there shouldnt be a group sanctioned under Xavier that walks a fine line of becoming villians themselves. Let that be an offshoot, not the actual X-men.

 

[josh8]

IDA. It had nothing to do with the 90s X-force in terms of story, but it had everything to do with it in terms of theme and legacy. Besides it was closely linked to X-force (2008), which it was a follow up to. It was not X-force in name only. That thing was alot darker and handled themes which were not common for the X-men books. The original X-force was a strike force, which was more aggressive and militant and took the fight directly to their opponents and that was inspired by the dark future that Cable lived in, which he was trying to prevent. Cyclop's X-force was an evolution of that team, except his were secret assassins, covertly killing their enemies as a reaction to the bleak outlook for mutantkind following M-day. Uncanny X-force brought it all full circle with the uprising of Apocalypse and those implications, which again inspired Cable t form the original group

If and when Uncanny X-force is adapted to the filmverse, it needs to remain titled X-force and not X-men. I dont think that mature tone fits for an X-men film "X-men don't kill". They are heroes and there shouldnt be a group sanctioned under Xavier that walks a fine line of becoming villians themselves. Let that be an offshoot, not the actual X-men.

I was more just talking about the characters. Also, the 90s X-Force was working very much so independent of the X-Men. Yes, Cyclops' first X-Force was similar in a military-esque way and shared a lot of the characters. Uncanny X-Force was a different beast. And I very much think the concept and mission in Uncanny X-Force's Apocalypse Solution/Dark Angel Saga could be an X-Men movie. But yes, the killings and stuff wouldn't work, but that all depends on how they want to tell the story. If they go super dark, then probably keep the X-Force name. But the story itself would translate very well to an X-Men movie as a follow up to Apocalypse (yes, it would have to be toned down).

 

[GuestStar2004]

A spin off always has to be independent otherwise there is no point doing it