Will freezing headbutt scene soon be removed from Uk showings/dvds

[Super Flight]

THAts Why There are RATINGs!! AHHH!! lol

 

[November Rain]

well for dvds, i think spidey 2 in the uk went from a 12A which is your version of a pg-13 to a straight pg, which is the classification below pg 13 for you guys (not sure what it is)

it probably did that to open it up more to more sales and to do so, they had to take the head butt out...


actually now that i think about it, wolverine's blows to the balls wasn't very nice either...

it really just depends what they try to do with the dvd classifications, if they kept it the same, there shouldn't be a problem but when attempting to widen it's market then it's going to have to cut bits and bobs up.

 

[weatherwitch]

those slashes were fantasy violence, no real weapon was used and no bloodshed was shown based on his actions.

ps i don't even think he punched anyone in the film...

No, but he did kick "Lizard Man" in the balls. "Grow those back"...So, fighting (real fighting) has no frikkin' etiquette. Come on.

 

[LadyVader]

And if there is no headbut, how is Iceman supposed to defeat Pyro? He just looks at him disapprovingly and then walks away?

 

[November Rain]

And if there is no headbut, how is Iceman supposed to defeat Pyro? He just looks at him disapprovingly and then walks away?

you're asking how a potentially omega level mutant needs to defeat pyro?

there are literally loads of different ways that fight could have gone, it's not like you are watching and you're thinking

'aw man, there's no way he can win this unless he whips out the iced up headbutt'

it's iceman, he can do like....anything....

reducing his possibly means of victory to only being an headbutt i feel is an insult to the character.

 

[November Rain]

No, but he did kick "Lizard Man" in the balls. "Grow those back"...So, fighting (real fighting) has no frikkin' etiquette. Come on.

i think this sort of violence sends out the wrong message that act like that are ok. even subconciously i feel that when people enter into a bout, there are unspoken rules that people abide by.

gouging, biting, scratching, hits to testicles, fish hook attack...

all off the agenda. promoting scrappy scraps is definitely a no no...

 

[Nathan]

i think this sort of violence sends out the wrong message that act like that are ok. even subconciously i feel that when people enter into a bout, there are unspoken rules that people abide by.

gouging, biting, scratching, hits to testicles, fish hook attack...

all off the agenda. promoting scrappy scraps is definitely a no no...

In a life & death situation I really don't think anyone is going to abide the rules of fair play.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

Technically, up until the last 5 years or so, the Xmen were just renegades, operating outside the law. There were even periods when they had to go into hiding because they were 'wanted'. So technically etiquette is very questionable.

Having said that, the movie is fictional/fantasy. Yes it has drama, comedy, action and other elements, but it's still about a group of people THAT DON'T EXIST!! How silly to expect the depiction to be standard of gentlemanly decorum.

I concur with everyone else... that is stupid.

 

[November Rain]

In a life & death situation I really don't think anyone is going to abide the rules of fair play.

6 yr olds going around kicking each other in the nuts and head butting one another is hardly life and death...

 

[Nathan]

I was talking about the Movie.

 

[November Rain]

Technically, up until the last 5 years or so, the Xmen were just renegades, operating outside the law. There were even periods when they had to go into hiding because they were 'wanted'. So technically etiquette is very questionable.

Having said that, the movie is fictional/fantasy. Yes it has drama, comedy, action and other elements, but it's still about a group of people THAT DON'T EXIST!! How silly to expect the depiction to be standard of gentlemanly decorum.

I concur with everyone else... that is stupid.

all superheros are technically vigilantes operating outside of the role, the fact of the matter is that the x-men are potentiall role models and potentially ambassadors for righteousness and all that jazz, same with all 'heros' especially comic book ones.

you have to get the difference between fantasy violence and real life mimmicing violence that may be replicated. because these films are being shown to children, there are certain things that can't be shown, implied, hinted.

take this, if wolverine when and called someone a 'c' word in a joke, yeah it would be funny and not really damaging but what would happen is that kids would go around calling everyone ****s because their hero did it. Kids are impressionable, I mean you've heard of children thinking they can fly because they have a superman costume on and they go jumping off rooftops. It's so bad that superman clothing comes with a disclaimer warning on it.

now as a studio, would you risk lowering the certification and leaving that scene in to get a whole world of complaints about how young kids are going around kicking people in the balls and headbutting one another based on what their favourite heroes were doing.

or how about an iceman head mask that was sold with real 'head butting action'?

if they leave the certification as it is, then find, there is reasonable doubt and it then becomes the responsibility of the parent, however if you reduce it further then the studio has to then hold responsibility, whether they choose to drop it in order to increase it's chances of dvd sales is unclear at this time since it hasn't done it in the past.

i was just wondering since spidey 2 did it, why not the last stand?

 

[November Rain]

I was talking about the Movie.

but we are talking about real life emulation



even though both acts of headbutting and balls kicking were hardly life or death, they weren't even last resorts.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

all superheros are technically vigilantes operating outside of the role, the fact of the matter is that the x-men are potentiall role models and potentially ambassadors for righteousness and all that jazz, same with all 'heros' especially comic book ones.

you have to get the difference between fantasy violence and real life mimmicing violence that may be replicated. because these films are being shown to children, there are certain things that can't be shown, implied, hinted.

take this, if wolverine when and called someone a 'c' word in a joke, yeah it would be funny and not really damaging but what would happen is that kids would go around calling everyone ****s because their hero did it. Kids are impressionable, I mean you've heard of children thinking they can fly because they have a superman costume on and they go jumping off rooftops. It's so bad that superman clothing comes with a disclaimer warning on it.

now as a studio, would you risk lowering the certification and leaving that scene in to get a whole world of complaints about how young kids are going around kicking people in the balls and headbutting one another based on what their favourite heroes were doing.

or how about an iceman head mask that was sold with real 'head butting action'?

if they leave the certification as it is, then find, there is reasonable doubt and it then becomes the responsibility of the parent, however if you reduce it further then the studio has to then hold responsibility, whether they choose to drop it in order to increase it's chances of dvd sales is unclear at this time since it hasn't done it in the past.

i was just wondering since spidey 2 did it, why not the last stand?

No, not all superheros... there is a huge destinction between the two, and has always been that way. Practically all of DC's heros are not vigilante's... Marvel's Avengers also come to mind. The Xmen writer's/ creators went out of their way to make these people be 'outsiders'. It's one of the main themes of the book.

I'll address the rest of this later, got to go for now...

 

[weatherwitch]

i think this sort of violence sends out the wrong message that act like that are ok. even subconciously i feel that when people enter into a bout, there are unspoken rules that people abide by.

gouging, biting, scratching, hits to testicles, fish hook attack...

all off the agenda. promoting scrappy scraps is definitely a no no...

Ok, first off, it's a moooooovie. With extreme circumstances. A woman was turning people to ash for pete's sake. Secondly, it was a PG-13 movie meaning that the audience is presumably old enough to understand the concept of "fictional" violence. And before you lay on me "I saw 6 year olds in my theatre", so did I. Leave it to the parents to determine how best to explain fighting in the movies versus real life. You ever seen pokemon? Ninja Turtles? Gimme a break- TLS was mild as far as real-life like violence was concerned. What was shown was almost all in the realm of utter fantasy and for what wasn't let's just hope people have enough common sense to realize they can't turn to ice and headbutt people.

"even subconciously i feel that when people enter into a bout, there are unspoken rules that people abide by." I'm going to assume you've never been in a fight for your life--or any type of fight with that statement. It reminds of the movie "The Patriot" when the British soldiers were marching in an orderly fashion and Mel and his men were picking them off from behind the trees and one soldier proclaimed "They're cheating!" uh-huh, Right.

As for your earlier statement about iceman being Omega, check my sig. A quote from the writer himself. The movies are NOT the comics. In the movie Bobby doesn't have that type of "unlimited" potential. A head butt worked.

 

[LadyVader]

you're asking how a potentially omega level mutant needs to defeat pyro?

there are literally loads of different ways that fight could have gone, it's not like you are watching and you're thinking

'aw man, there's no way he can win this unless he whips out the iced up headbutt'

it's iceman, he can do like....anything....

reducing his possibly means of victory to only being an headbutt i feel is an insult to the character.

I didn't ask what else he could, I asked what could the proper authorities in Britain do under the circumstances. The headbutt is ultimately how the scene works. If you cut that, what do you have?
Iceman simply freezing up Pyro's hands. It isn't practical to leave the scene with that and there isn't any material to replace it with. Therefore, I doubt it will actually be cut.

 

[November Rain]

Ok, first off, it's a moooooovie. With extreme circumstances. A woman was turning people to ash for pete's sake. Secondly, it was a PG-13 movie meaning that the audience is presumably old enough to understand the concept of "fictional" violence. And before you lay on me "I saw 6 year olds in my theatre", so did I. Leave it to the parents to determine how best to explain fighting in the movies versus real life. You ever seen pokemon? Ninja Turtles? Gimme a break- TLS was mild as far as real-life like violence was concerned. What was shown was almost all in the realm of utter fantasy and for what wasn't let's just hope people have enough common sense to realize they can't turn to ice and headbutt people.

woman turning people into ash is fantasy violence, it can't be replicated, it has no possible influence on violent behaviour.

yes it's pog-13 now but so was spidey 2 when it came out (or at least the uk equivalent). my point is that spidey 2's rating was dropped to make it more appealig and hence it's headbutt scene was taking out and i can see why, this is based on whether the last stand does the same.

the turtles in the past never punched anyone in the face, spidey never punched any humans in teh face, x-men evolution never had any face punching, wolverine never stabbed anyone in the normal x-men cartoon. certainly no one got head butted. classification wise ther eis a clear line. ps what would you call the certification below pg-13, over here it's called simply pg.


true they can't turn into ice but they can headbutt people and butting in the uk certainly isn't scene in the same light as other acts of violence, it's especially associated with thuggery and it's use shouldn't be promoted. Just like if wolverine drank some beer, it most likely wouldn't be shown in arabic countries as it's promoting the act of something against the law of the land and traditiona nd children are heavily influenced by what is seen on the big screen (again if the certification was lowered)

I'm going to assume you've never been in a fight for your life--or any type of fight with that statement. It reminds of the movie "The Patriot" when the British soldiers were marching in an orderly fashion and Mel and his men were picking them off from behind the trees and one soldier proclaimed "They're cheating!" uh-huh, Right.

dude, there is also things such as withstraint, there is no feasible situation I can see myself biting someone or gouging eyes out. I've done martial arts and i know there are other ways to subdue people without necessarily losing a sense of dignity. i'm not a scrapper but i would konw how to deal with one without lowering myself to their level.

As for your earlier statement about iceman being Omega, check my sig. A quote from the writer himself. The movies are NOT the comics. In the movie Bobby doesn't have that type of "unlimited" potential. A head butt worked.

I didn't say he was omega, i said potentially, which leaves it open enough to make a point, there isnt anything you can say to prove it otherwise.

sure he may not have had the abilities then but considering the length of time he had trained for and any decent amount of imagination, the bout should have been over before it started, let alone ti going where it did.

true it worked, i'm not denying it, but it wasn't his only option, busting a block of ice on someone's skull is a lil overkill, but the last few scenes of that film suffered from overkill-itis...

 

[November Rain]

I didn't ask what else he could, I asked what could the proper authorities in Britain do under the circumstances. The headbutt is ultimately how the scene works. If you cut that, what do you have?
Iceman simply freezing up Pyro's hands. It isn't practical to leave the scene with that and there isn't any material to replace it with. Therefore, I doubt it will actually be cut.

films can't be released legally without certification, they simply wouldn't be allowed to do so at anything under a 12A certification.

in spidey's case, it wasn't simply cut, it was replaced with a 'less' violent punch to the face...

 

[SpideyLad]

The British SM2 DVD didn't even get the bloopers

 

[fruits]

why is england so.........lame?? are they gonna keep in the part where wolvie kicks that guy in the balls??? hmmm?

 

[Bastila]

It hasn't been cut.

 

[*xmenfan*]

Following the concerns of the british youth watching their hero spider-man headbutt doc ock while falling off the building in spidey 2, the scene was changed soon in cinemas and on all uk releases on dvd to a punch.

Now Robert Drake has taken the mantel for being the role model headbutting, are we then likely to get scene edited or removed in order for less complaints to be made about it.

currently i have yet to hear anything but following past trends there is a likelyhood that it may be removed.

Or do you think that it fits in with the rest of the 'fantasy violence' shown within the last stand.

God the UK takes things really seriously lol.

 

[November Rain]

It hasn't been cut.

*sigh*

the certification hasn't been lowered to pg yet, which is feasible for dvd release if they really wanna push the boat out and accumulate as many sales as possible.

 

[Baredevil]

Must be a cultural thing (*sips tea and gets some lovely crackers*)

 

[Bastila]

*sigh*

the certification hasn't been lowered to pg yet, which is feasible for dvd release if they really wanna push the boat out and accumulate as many sales as possible.

Well if it does go to a PG, parents would buy it for there kid anyway, so they don't need to lower it.

 

[November Rain]

the thing is that legally the chances of it going pg and remaining intact are slim to none. Dare i say, impossible.

more than likely the version we got in the uk anyway was a watered down version of the american one, the films over here generally are...