Will the Marvel films ever sever ties completely with the TV shows?

[Mike5575]

Because his ability to do such is inferior and redundant to the ability possessed by other existing Avengers? Unless Thanos has a space ninja minion Matt can try to take down by repeatedly hitting the ninja's fists with his face. . .

Daredevil is about as useless as Black Widow in a fight. Heck, given the right conditions, they're likely more useful than Jessica Jones. At least they know how to fight. Or, are people going to forget that JJ was knocked out by Team Support Group? Daredevil may be the weakest of the Avengers, but with his super-senses, he's basically an advanced early warning system. He knows where all the bad guys are and how many of them there are long before anyone else does.

 

[Raiden]

I think they might as well treat MCU movie and TV as separate universes, and stop lying about #itsallconnected nonsense. TV series should also bring their own version of the Avengers because they can use them for rating and storyline purposes.

 

[Kyle]

There are some ties, I just wish those ties were stronger. The Netflix series though, outside of passing references, basically was and still is it's own thing right now in comparison to Agents of Shield.

 

[3dman27]

I think they might as well treat MCU movie and TV as separate universes, and stop lying about #itsallconnected nonsense. TV series should also bring their own version of the Avengers because they can use them for rating and storyline purposes.

good point but who woud you cast

 

[marshal99]

There are some ties, I just wish those ties were stronger. The Netflix series though, outside of passing references, basically was and still is it's own thing right now in comparison to Agents of Shield.

With the netflix series , they pretty much contained their universe strictly within a small section of new york. Other than the attack on new york , the other stuffs by the avengers are never ever mentioned , all their adventures happened in new york close to hell's kitchen.

 

[Zarex]

I think they might as well treat MCU movie and TV as separate universes, and stop lying about #itsallconnected nonsense. TV series should also bring their own version of the Avengers because they can use them for rating and storyline purposes.

Disney's not going to dilute their multi-billion dollar Avengers brand by putting a cheap version on weekly TV. And while it's great that a high powered A-Lister like the Flash has his own TV show, that could be a huge problem when WB asks people to buy a ticket to see a completely different version of the character.

"It's all connected" was a great idea, but perhaps a bit too ambitious given contracts, shooting schedules, timing etc and the difficulty of incorporating over 100 hours of television program into the tight continuity of the cinematic MCU. How about "It's not contradictory!"?

 

[OB12]

I think they might as well treat MCU movie and TV as separate universes, and stop lying about #itsallconnected nonsense. TV series should also bring their own version of the Avengers because they can use them for rating and storyline purposes.

I totally disagree with this. Separate universes is why I don't watch the Flash, Arrow, etc. I don't want multiple versions of the same characters. Personally, I think the way Marvel has handled the TV and film characters and their connectedness has been just fine. Their have been enough nods and references to make everything feel like "it's all connected". Now, that said, the films are going to have to acknowledge some TV characters sooner rather than later, especially come Infinity War. If a powerhouse like Quake is not utilized in the battle against Thanos then something is amiss.

 

[Gr0oT]

Disney's not going to dilute their multi-billion dollar Avengers brand by putting a cheap version on weekly TV. And while it's great that a high powered A-Lister like the Flash has his own TV show, that could be a huge problem when WB asks people to buy a ticket to see a completely different version of the character.

"It's all connected" was a great idea, but perhaps a bit too ambitious given contracts, shooting schedules, timing etc and the difficulty of incorporating over 100 hours of television program into the tight continuity of the cinematic MCU. How about "It's not contradictory!"?

You're right about why they wouldn't dilute the brand by coming up with cheap tv versions.

And "it's all connected" is still a good idea and if they had managed it intelligently they could have avoided the corner they put themselves into.
The Avengers deal with global threats.
Guardians deal with universal threats.
Defenders deal with street level threats.
SHIELD should have remained behind the scenes, solving issues that no one would ever find out are issues in the first place, and definitely not launch into game changing events like the coming of the Inhumans!
How stupid is that?
Building the lore of a movie that might not be out for another five or more years, introducing concepts and characters over the course of a hundred shows... All for it to be completely ignored down the line... And of course it will be ignored, AoS has a pathetic viewership and they won't expect movie audiences to need to have watched all of AoS to enrich their experience.

Honestly I just want what has been established in Netflix to crossover and be considered canon to the MCU, and just make all of AoS some elaborate hallucination of Coulson who is in some sort of coma in "Tahiti"

 

[Zarex]

You're right about why they wouldn't dilute the brand by coming up with cheap tv versions.

And "it's all connected" is still a good idea and if they had managed it intelligently they could have avoided the corner they put themselves into.
The Avengers deal with global threats.
Guardians deal with universal threats.
Defenders deal with street level threats.
SHIELD should have remained behind the scenes, solving issues that no one would ever find out are issues in the first place, and definitely not launch into game changing events like the coming of the Inhumans!
How stupid is that?
Building the lore of a movie that might not be out for another five or more years, introducing concepts and characters over the course of a hundred shows... All for it to be completely ignored down the line... And of course it will be ignored, AoS has a pathetic viewership and they won't expect movie audiences to need to have watched all of AoS to enrich their experience.

Honestly I just want what has been established in Netflix to crossover and be considered canon to the MCU, and just make all of AoS some elaborate hallucination of Coulson who is in some sort of coma in "Tahiti"

AOS has two problems in that B) (as you mentioned) they deal with the same global issues as the Avengers and B) it is happening in "real time' within the MCU. So the show is forced to acknowledge the events of the TV show while at the same time remaining on the sidelines during those events. Daredevil, Agent Carter, Jessica Jones and whatever comes later on the TV side will likely be free of these issues.

I feel like the show had a great opportunity with TWS when SHIELD down to a dozen or so agents. I would have kept it that way. The build up over the past few years to an large yet shadowy agency with a sizable headquarters, a hundred or so employees, a fleet of vehicles and funding from who knows where doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Dealing with Inhumans (or Nuhumans) is fine, but keep it small, and definitely avoid a global outbreak that gets the attention of the President. Have the resurrected SHIELD be a myth that government leaders are trying to track down, not work with hand in hand. I enjoy the show, but it doesn't work very well as a part of the MCU.

 

[Gr0oT]

AOS has two problems in that B) (as you mentioned) they deal with the same global issues as the Avengers and B) it is happening in "real time' within the MCU. So the show is forced to acknowledge the events of the TV show while at the same time remaining on the sidelines during those events. Daredevil, Agent Carter, Jessica Jones and whatever comes later on the TV side will likely be free of these issues.

I feel like the show had a great opportunity with TWS when SHIELD down to a dozen or so agents. I would have kept it that way. The build up over the past few years to an large yet shadowy agency with a sizable headquarters, a hundred or so employees, a fleet of vehicles and funding from who knows where doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Dealing with Inhumans (or Nuhumans) is fine, but keep it small, and definitely avoid a global outbreak that gets the attention of the President. Have the resurrected SHIELD be a myth that government leaders are trying to track down, not work with hand in hand. I enjoy the show, but it doesn't work very well as a part of the MCU.

See, it makes me sad that a regular joe can envision a more sensible solution to making SHIELD work than the showrunners did.

I see fans grasping at straws and justifying how this show is in continuity but the show itself seems to do what it can to contradict this by bringing in characters like President Ellis, making specialized government task forces all for it to be completely irrelevant to the actual MCU.

A thing like a dozens of people getting exceptional powers should have factored into Civil War, any of the introduced Inhumans could have been an asset to Stark or Cap just as much as Spider-Man was, and seemingly no strangers to the news either.

 

[AlluAllu]

So if the recent storylines of AoS can't logically fit to the MCU canon, could it be an alternate timeline? If so, where and when did it divert from the main timeline? After season 1, season 2?

 

[Zarex]

So if the recent storylines of AoS can't logically fit to the MCU canon, could it be an alternate timeline? If so, where and when did it divert from the main timeline? After season 1, season 2?

It's definitely still canon, but it's odd that a global transforming event like a terrigen tainted food supply hasn't been worthy of a mention in the MCU films. Continuity is a problem in any long term franchise - just look at the X-Men - but this one should have been better thought out.

 

[metaphysician]

Honestly, I think the only real sticking point is Hive. Everything else that AoS has been up to, I can plausibly put under "the world is big, lots of **** happens, everyone is busy". Its stuff that's either sufficiently small scale as to go below Avengers notice, or sufficiently time critical to not allow for other involvement. Even the Terrigenesis can just blend into the general trend of "more superhumans and weirdness about", which the Avengers probably deal with alongside boatloads of other types.

A seemingly-unkillable millenia old demigod whose mind controlling an entire army of superhumans, and doing crap like deliberately drawing alien attention? It stretches belief that nobody goes "We need to involve the Avengers. This is potentially world-threatening." Because, by any rational measure, Hive *is* an Avengers-level threat.

Does this mean AoS isn't canon? Nope. It just means its badly written.

 

[Mjölnir]

You're right about why they wouldn't dilute the brand by coming up with cheap tv versions.

And "it's all connected" is still a good idea and if they had managed it intelligently they could have avoided the corner they put themselves into.
The Avengers deal with global threats.
Guardians deal with universal threats.
Defenders deal with street level threats.
SHIELD should have remained behind the scenes, solving issues that no one would ever find out are issues in the first place, and definitely not launch into game changing events like the coming of the Inhumans!
How stupid is that?
Building the lore of a movie that might not be out for another five or more years, introducing concepts and characters over the course of a hundred shows... All for it to be completely ignored down the line... And of course it will be ignored, AoS has a pathetic viewership and they won't expect movie audiences to need to have watched all of AoS to enrich their experience.

Honestly I just want what has been established in Netflix to crossover and be considered canon to the MCU, and just make all of AoS some elaborate hallucination of Coulson who is in some sort of coma in "Tahiti"

The separation between Avengers and Guardians won't really work since the former is the more powerful team and they are about to be the main team to tackle the greatest threat there is.

I'm too far behind on AoS to have an up to date opinion on that though. The Defenders will probably be great to battle lesser threats though, although it looks like the scale can be decent for them as the mystical level is rising even there.

 

[MbJ]

Honestly, I think the only real sticking point is Hive. Everything else that AoS has been up to, I can plausibly put under "the world is big, lots of **** happens, everyone is busy". Its stuff that's either sufficiently small scale as to go below Avengers notice, or sufficiently time critical to not allow for other involvement. Even the Terrigenesis can just blend into the general trend of "more superhumans and weirdness about", which the Avengers probably deal with alongside boatloads of other types.

A seemingly-unkillable millenia old demigod whose mind controlling an entire army of superhumans, and doing crap like deliberately drawing alien attention? It stretches belief that nobody goes "We need to involve the Avengers. This is potentially world-threatening." Because, by any rational measure, Hive *is* an Avengers-level threat.

Does this mean AoS isn't canon? Nope. It just means its badly written.

The Avengers were busy at the peace conference.

 

[OB12]

Honestly, I think the only real sticking point is Hive. Everything else that AoS has been up to, I can plausibly put under "the world is big, lots of **** happens, everyone is busy". Its stuff that's either sufficiently small scale as to go below Avengers notice, or sufficiently time critical to not allow for other involvement. Even the Terrigenesis can just blend into the general trend of "more superhumans and weirdness about", which the Avengers probably deal with alongside boatloads of other types.

A seemingly-unkillable millenia old demigod whose mind controlling an entire army of superhumans, and doing crap like deliberately drawing alien attention? It stretches belief that nobody goes "We need to involve the Avengers. This is potentially world-threatening." Because, by any rational measure, Hive *is* an Avengers-level threat.

Does this mean AoS isn't canon? Nope. It just means its badly written.

All of this is technically true, but what has Hive done up to this point to really warrant the attention of the Avengers. Sure, he is potentially world-threatening and pretty powerful, but his army really only consisted of Alicia, Giyera, James, and Daisy. Hive hasn't accomplished any feats yet that really screams call in the Avengers.

 

[Eddie]

I did a full MCU film binge before Civil War, and the last two Phase 2 films actually have subtle AoS connections that apparently went over everyone's heads. Nick Fury got the Helicarrier from "old friends". He's referring to Coulson. Not only do we see that in AoS, Coulson's also the only common friend of Fury and the Avengers that could have possibly hooked him up with one. Ant-Man also reveals to the film audience that Hydra is still around despite being"finished" in Ultron... except AoS viewers were already in on that thanks to the S2 finale. They're small connection, but they do exist (Fury's dialogue in particular really couldn't have been referring to anyone else).

 

[MbJ]

All of this is technically true, but what has Hive done up to this point to really warrant the attention of the Avengers. Sure, he is potentially world-threatening and pretty powerful, but his army really only consisted of Alicia, Giyera, James, and Daisy. Hive hasn't accomplished any feats yet that really screams call in the Avengers.

The only thing in the TV shows that might have warranted the attention of the Avengers was Kilgrave, but even then that was arguably something SHIELD should've handled.

 

[Pecola1]

First off, project Theta showed that the TV universe can greatly effect the movies, and save hundreds of lives in that case. (Even if that was technically the movie directors telling the TV show what to do, and was a short teaser)

Also, CW spoilers:

Spoiler

I was thinking about how Cap at the end of CW is still in hiding. It seems like there isn't as much closure. In the comics he turned himself in and gave up, then ended up dying. It seems like he should have turned himself in once Bucky was safe asleep in Wakanda. But instead he chose to break his friends out of jail and go into hiding again. Which BTW when he originally went into hiding in the film Iron Man pretty much instantly found them, so what would be different now? Has the UN decided not to track down Cap, and Tony too?

Anyhow, this lead me to thinking it seemed like they needed a movie of the heroes in hiding. A Secret Avengers film or something. Then I thought about how they were wanted criminals, and made the connection to the most wanted. So what if The Marvels Most Wanted featured Cap's team, at least some of them, going around and saving the world while under cover? It wouldn't be surprising to see Mockingjay along side Hawkeye and Falcon, as in the comics Mocking jay is more well known. They wouldn't have to include all of the heroes, especially if for instance Scott was going to be doing his own thing with Hank, or if Cap chose not to fight.

If the Black Widow film isn't going to be her origin, then I could see it being her tracking down Hulk, or her acting as a double agent for Cap's Crew.

In the end it seems that this would all be easier to do in a Netflix series, since they have a longer amount of time to show characters then the movies, and don't require an entire change in schedule to the MCU, but are a bit higher quality than the TV shows.

 

[3dman27]

First off, project Theta showed that the TV universe can greatly effect the movies, and save hundreds of lives in that case. (Even if that was technically the movie directors telling the TV show what to do, and was a short teaser)

Also, CW spoilers:

Spoiler

I was thinking about how Cap at the end of CW is still in hiding. It seems like there isn't as much closure. In the comics he turned himself in and gave up, then ended up dying. It seems like he should have turned himself in once Bucky was safe asleep in Wakanda. But instead he chose to break his friends out of jail and go into hiding again. Which BTW when he originally went into hiding in the film Iron Man pretty much instantly found them, so what would be different now? Has the UN decided not to track down Cap, and Tony too?

Anyhow, this lead me to thinking it seemed like they needed a movie of the heroes in hiding. A Secret Avengers film or something. Then I thought about how they were wanted criminals, and made the connection to the most wanted. So what if The Marvels Most Wanted featured Cap's team, at least some of them, going around and saving the world while under cover? It wouldn't be surprising to see Mockingjay along side Hawkeye and Falcon, as in the comics Mocking jay is more well known. They wouldn't have to include all of the heroes, especially if for instance Scott was going to be doing his own thing with Hank, or if Cap chose not to fight.

If the Black Widow film isn't going to be her origin, then I could see it being her tracking down Hulk, or her acting as a double agent for Cap's Crew.

In the end it seems that this would all be easier to do in a Netflix series, since they have a longer amount of time to show characters then the movies, and don't require an entire change in schedule to the MCU, but are a bit higher quality than the TV shows.

Spoiler

I think you mean MOCKINGBIRD not mockingjay

 

[MbJ]

First off, project Theta showed that the TV universe can greatly effect the movies, and save hundreds of lives in that case. (Even if that was technically the movie directors telling the TV show what to do, and was a short teaser)

Also, CW spoilers:

Spoiler

I was thinking about how Cap at the end of CW is still in hiding. It seems like there isn't as much closure. In the comics he turned himself in and gave up, then ended up dying. It seems like he should have turned himself in once Bucky was safe asleep in Wakanda. But instead he chose to break his friends out of jail and go into hiding again. Which BTW when he originally went into hiding in the film Iron Man pretty much instantly found them, so what would be different now? Has the UN decided not to track down Cap, and Tony too?

Anyhow, this lead me to thinking it seemed like they needed a movie of the heroes in hiding. A Secret Avengers film or something. Then I thought about how they were wanted criminals, and made the connection to the most wanted. So what if The Marvels Most Wanted featured Cap's team, at least some of them, going around and saving the world while under cover? It wouldn't be surprising to see Mockingjay along side Hawkeye and Falcon, as in the comics Mocking jay is more well known. They wouldn't have to include all of the heroes, especially if for instance Scott was going to be doing his own thing with Hank, or if Cap chose not to fight.

If the Black Widow film isn't going to be her origin, then I could see it being her tracking down Hulk, or her acting as a double agent for Cap's Crew.

In the end it seems that this would all be easier to do in a Netflix series, since they have a longer amount of time to show characters then the movies, and don't require an entire change in schedule to the MCU, but are a bit higher quality than the TV shows.

Won't happen. Budget alone would be a nightmare.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say in the comics Mockingbird is better known in the comics?