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Worst Super Villain motive

The Overlord

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Which super villains have the worst motive in MU? I say guys like Stilt-Man and Trapster. They invent tech that has a million civilian uses and they use it to rob banks. Why? If they had pattened this stuff they would be millionaires with hot trophy wives. Instead they the laughing stock of the super villain community and they likely get gang raped in prison. Also Punisher has recently killed Stilt-Man. Their super villain careers are completely pointless.
 
Wasn't Lex Luthor's big thing at th ebeginning was because Superman was the cause of him losing his hair? That's a pretty lame motive.
 
I always thought Magneto's whole ideals were insanely backwards. I mean he was a Jew during the holocaust. So he comes out of it and decides the Nazi's had a great idea and spends the rest of his life emulating their ideals.

I was talking with a friend the other day and he said Mag's background and the fact that he's Jewish is pretty @ucked up.
 
I always thought Magneto's whole ideals were insanely backwards. I mean he was a Jew during the holocaust. So he comes out of it and decides the Nazi's had a great idea and spends the rest of his life emulating their ideals.

I was talking with a friend the other day and he said Mag's background and the fact that he's Jewish is pretty @ucked up.

Well Magneto is not a paragon rationality, is he? I think the whole thing messed him up psychologically to the point that he cannot see the contradiction of his actions.
 
Well Magneto is not a paragon rationality, is he? I think the whole thing messed him up psychologically to the point that he cannot see the contradiction of his actions.

He can't see he wants the exact same thing as the Nazi's? If that's the rationale then he definately gets my vote for worst super villian motive. Stilt Man would be a genius in comparison.
 
Wasn't Lex Luthor's big thing at th ebeginning was because Superman was the cause of him losing his hair? That's a pretty lame motive.

no, that was a toupe he was wearing, not actual hair. believe me, i know.
 
Which super villains have the worst motive in MU? I say guys like Stilt-Man and Trapster. They invent tech that has a million civilian uses and they use it to rob banks. Why? If they had pattened this stuff they would be millionaires with hot trophy wives. Instead they the laughing stock of the super villain community and they likely get gang raped in prison. Also Punisher has recently killed Stilt-Man. Their super villain careers are completely pointless.

The Trapster's origin actually does make some sense, as he was already a wanted criminal before he invented his gear.

I always thought Magneto's whole ideals were insanely backwards. I mean he was a Jew during the holocaust. So he comes out of it and decides the Nazi's had a great idea and spends the rest of his life emulating their ideals.

I was talking with a friend the other day and he said Mag's background and the fact that he's Jewish is pretty @ucked up.

He doesn't think they had great ideas, nor is he trying to emulate them. He came out of the holocaust dissilusioned with humanity and never wishing to be an opressed minority ever again. The fact that he began to resemble the Nazis at one point merely shows how much of a line he'd crossed.
 
He doesn't think they had great ideas, nor is he trying to emulate them. He came out of the holocaust dissilusioned with humanity and never wishing to be an opressed minority ever again. The fact that he began to resemble the Nazis at one point merely shows how much of a line he'd crossed.

That was the nazi ideal. The Treaty of Versailles made the Germans third class citizens in their own country. Hitler comes along and spurs the Aryans into scapegoating the Jews for their problems and tells them they must fight for their divine right.

Mags went through that and decided that mutants were divinely better and wanted to scapegoat humans for all mutant problems. If it wasn't for him and his attacks for the sake of his people mutant and human relations would be much improved.

Mags is a Jewish Nazi Mutant! He doesn't resemble the ideal, he is the ideal that some people are simply born better and deserve an elavated place. He abandoned his people (Jews) for his new people (mutants). I'm curious how many Jewish people his attacks have killed and whether or not he even cares.
 
The Trapster's origin actually does make some sense, as he was already a wanted criminal before he invented his gear..

Why? Was there a reason besides money, because he would have made more money marketing his glue then he ever could have with crime. He can make glue powerful enough to trip up Spidey and the Thing, but he can't make glue that have good civilian uses? Plot hole. Is he a masochist? Is that why instead of sharing a beach with a trophy wife and millions of dollars, he is sharing a cell with Bubbha the love sponge?
 
Why? Was there a reason besides money, because he would have made more money marketing his glue then he ever could have with crime. He can make glue powerful enough to trip up Spidey and the Thing, but he can't make glue that have good civilian uses? Plot hole. Is he a masochist? Is that why instead of sharing a beach with a trophy wife and millions of dollars, he is sharing a cell with Bubbha the love sponge?

This is the same guy that decided the coolest name he could have was Paste-Pot-Pete. I'm thinking inhaling all those glue fumes did something to him.
 
Lets be honest, in the modern world half of the villains would just be famous sportsman or media stars raking in money, if not using inventions to rake in the money. Very few would truly go down the route of being a villain unless nothing could truly stop them, but if that was the case the comic books wold get boring very fast.
 
Lets be honest, in the modern world half of the villains would just be famous sportsman or media stars raking in money, if not using inventions to rake in the money. Very few would truly go down the route of being a villain unless nothing could truly stop them, but if that was the case the comic books wold get boring very fast.

But some villains have decent motives, they are insane, psychopaths or have suffered a tragic events that don't allow them to function as normal people. Bullseye could make a lot of money as a baseball pitcher, but he is a psychopath who likes killing people, that explains why he is assassin. It just sucks when they can't give a villain a decent motive.
 
That was the nazi ideal. The Treaty of Versailles made the Germans third class citizens in their own country. Hitler comes along and spurs the Aryans into scapegoating the Jews for their problems and tells them they must fight for their divine right.

Mags went through that and decided that mutants were divinely better and wanted to scapegoat humans for all mutant problems. If it wasn't for him and his attacks for the sake of his people mutant and human relations would be much improved.

Mags is a Jewish Nazi Mutant! He doesn't resemble the ideal, he is the ideal that some people are simply born better and deserve an elavated place. He abandoned his people (Jews) for his new people (mutants). I'm curious how many Jewish people his attacks have killed and whether or not he even cares.

He is in no way, shape, or form a Nazi. He's not a fascist, his main goals aren't to wipe out the human race or anything like that. He is an elitist, I'll grant that, and cares for mutants more than he cares for humans, of course, but he's a militant mutant leader. What would you expect? What he wants is that he wants mutants to have rights and respect from the rest of the world, and is simply willing to use violence to acheive these goals. If he's comperable to anyone, it's Malcolm X. He even said, later in his terrorist career when he was a bit more mellowed out, that often times he makes himself out as more of a villain simply to make more peaceful Mutant groups like the X-Men look better by comparison, and cause the humans to villify only specific, individual mutants, as oppossed to mutants as a whole.

Why? Was there a reason besides money, because he would have made more money marketing his glue then he ever could have with crime. He can make glue powerful enough to trip up Spidey and the Thing, but he can't make glue that have good civilian uses? Plot hole. Is he a masochist? Is that why instead of sharing a beach with a trophy wife and millions of dollars, he is sharing a cell with Bubbha the love sponge?

1) As I said, he was a wanted criminal before he invented the glue. So, he couldn't make money off of it, as he hadn't invented it yet. It was only after that he had tried selling government weapons blue prints to foreign countries, a very serious crime, that he invented the glue. By the time he invented the glue, there was already no turning back.

2) Not everyone has clear cut, reasonable motivations. Not every character needs clear cut, reasonable motivations. Sometimes people do stupid things becsause they think they will turn out well, and when they don't, they have to deal with the consiquences. Yes, The Trapster could have simply applied his scientific skills to making money and would have been well off. But he got greedy. He became a criminal because he thought he could get away with it. And by the time he ever realized his mistakes, he was already at the point of no return. Is it pathetic? Yeah, a little bit. But a pathetic backstory doesn't make a bad character. It just makes a flawed one.
 
I always thought out of all the MU villains,Magneto and Green Goblin had the best motives.One a victim of prejudice looking to persecute his oppressors and the other a straight up homicidal lunatic looking for revenge.

All that taking over the world nonsense is just lame.
 
1) As I said, he was a wanted criminal before he invented the glue. So, he couldn't make money off of it, as he hadn't invented it yet. It was only after that he had tried selling government weapons blue prints to foreign countries, a very serious crime, that he invented the glue. By the time he invented the glue, there was already no turning back.

2) Not everyone has clear cut, reasonable motivations. Not every character needs clear cut, reasonable motivations. Sometimes people do stupid things becsause they think they will turn out well, and when they don't, they have to deal with the consiquences. Yes, The Trapster could have simply applied his scientific skills to making money and would have been well off. But he got greedy. He became a criminal because he thought he could get away with it. And by the time he ever realized his mistakes, he was already at the point of no return. Is it pathetic? Yeah, a little bit. But a pathetic backstory doesn't make a bad character. It just makes a flawed one.

You still haven't explained why he wanted to be a criminal in the first place? According to his bio at marvel, he has a Masters degree in science. Who goes through the trouble of getting a Masters degree just to become a criminal? The fact that he got a masters degree proves he is hard working and intelligent, that isn't really the type that would resort to knocking over banks. There is no reason why he would want to be a criminal in the first place. Really a ten year old could have figured out Trapster's scheme would have been foiled, because he stands no chance against 90% of the heroes in NYC, let alone against a few cops. The problem is they never explained why Trapster wanted to become a criminal in the first place, which leaves a huge hole in the character.
 
He is in no way, shape, or form a Nazi. He's not a fascist, his main goals aren't to wipe out the human race or anything like that. He is an elitist, I'll grant that, and cares for mutants more than he cares for humans, of course, but he's a militant mutant leader. What would you expect? What he wants is that he wants mutants to have rights and respect from the rest of the world, and is simply willing to use violence to acheive these goals. If he's comperable to anyone, it's Malcolm X. He even said, later in his terrorist career when he was a bit more mellowed out, that often times he makes himself out as more of a villain simply to make more peaceful Mutant groups like the X-Men look better by comparison, and cause the humans to villify only specific, individual mutants, as oppossed to mutants as a whole.

He wants mutants to rule humans. Maybe he doesn't have concentration camps set up but remembering back to the painful period that was House of M, humans were treated like @hit and mainly just lucky mags decided humanity would die of its own accord so he didn't really need to kill them off.

He doesn't want equality, he wants superiority based on birthright. That sounds a hell of a lot like the Nazi's. I cannot believe you don't see the obvious comparison.

He's a man that took the lessons of a violent youth the wrong way, he's a mass murderer, he believes in biological superiority in races.

^ Now was that statement meant to describe Hitler or Magneto?

Comparing him to Malcolm X is crazy. Malcolm wanted equality, Mags wants mutants to take their rightful place as humanity's betters.
 
You still haven't explained why he wanted to be a criminal in the first place? According to his bio at marvel, he has a Masters degree in science. Who goes through the trouble of getting a Masters degree just to become a criminal? The fact that he got a masters degree proves he is hard working and intelligent, that isn't really the type that would resort to knocking over banks. There is no reason why he would want to be a criminal in the first place. Really a ten year old could have figured out Trapster's scheme would have been foiled, because he stands no chance against 90% of the heroes in NYC, let alone against a few cops. The problem is they never explained why Trapster wanted to become a criminal in the first place, which leaves a huge hole in the character.

I just said why: He got greedy and did something that he thought would work and, turns out, didn't. It may not be a very good reason, but it's a reason.

He wants mutants to rule humans. Maybe he doesn't have concentration camps set up but remembering back to the painful period that was House of M, humans were treated like @hit and mainly just lucky mags decided humanity would die of its own accord so he didn't really need to kill them off.

He doesn't want equality, he wants superiority based on birthright. That sounds a hell of a lot like the Nazi's. I cannot believe you don't see the obvious comparison.

There is a similarity, yes. But I don't think it's as strong as you're making it out to be.

He's a man that took the lessons of a violent youth the wrong way, he's a mass murderer, he believes in biological superiority in races.

^ Now was that statement meant to describe Hitler or Magneto?

Magneto, seeing as how Hitler never had a violent youth. Anyway, I think you're taking the comparison a bit too far.

Comparing him to Malcolm X is crazy. Malcolm wanted equality, Mags wants mutants to take their rightful place as humanity's betters.

Magneto has shown to be fully willing to leave humanity alone as long as Mutants are no longer persicuted. He stopped all terrorist activities and became fairly peaceful towards the rest of the world when the U.N. gave him Genosha.


Anyway, I guess my point is that while similarities can be drawn between the Brotherhood and the Nazis, I don't think it's at all fair or accurate to say that Magneto is exactly like the Nazis, or that he took their philosophies as a good idea after the Holocaust. Yes, he does have a sort of superiority complex about Mutants. But it's not completely irrational. Mutants are, for the most part, biologically superior to ordinary humans, and often times, when one is part of a persicuted minority, one tells one's self that one is better than the persicutors.
 
He can't see he wants the exact same thing as the Nazi's? If that's the rationale then he definately gets my vote for worst super villian motive. Stilt Man would be a genius in comparison.

He wants to protect the Mutant people from the same fate as the Jewish people, it's just that he wants to do this by violently wiping out anybody who could be a threat to the Mutant people. See? No contradictions there at all.
 
What was Juggernaut's motivation, again? "I want to kill my brother because he didn't stop daddy from hitting us"?
 
I just said why: He got greedy and did something that he thought would work and, turns out, didn't. It may not be a very good reason, but it's a reason.

Well that's a very crappy motive. Why did he did have the pateince to get a Masters degree and then after all that decide to become a criminal? If he was greedy and lazy in the first place, wouldn't he have dropped out of high school and started knocking over 7-11s? That would make sense. But getting a Masters Degree and then becoming a criminal because of "greed"? No sorry, that sucks. How many bank robbers in real life got a Masters degree first, before knocking over banks?
 
Well that's a very crappy motive. Why did he did have the pateince to get a Masters degree and then after all that decide to become a criminal? If he was greedy and lazy in the first place, wouldn't he have dropped out of high school and started knocking over 7-11s? That would make sense. But getting a Masters Degree and then becoming a criminal because of "greed"? No sorry, that sucks. How many bank robbers in real life got a Masters degree first, before knocking over banks?

He didn't start off his criminal career knocking over banks. He stole files from the government and tried to sell them to foreign countries. Besides, what does having a master's degree have to do with wether or not he'd want to commit a crime if he thought he could get away with it? An opportunity comes along where it looks like he could commit a crime and get away with it. He gets greedy, tries it, it backfires, and now he's a wanted criminal with no choice but to continue being a criminal to survive.

Also, it would take a fairly inteligent person to rob a bank succesfully. There is a big difference between robbing banks and pointing a gun in the face of the casheir at 7-11. Banks have lots of people in them, high security, and a **** ton of variables to take into account. If some high school drop out walks into a bank with a hand gun and a ski-mask, he's going to end up in jail or dead. So, while a master's degree obviously isn't necessairy to rob a bank, inteligence is.
 
I hate to say it. But people who are victimized often tend to become victimizers, In collage I had a roomate who was from Palestine and he was unable to see anyone else's view side of any argument. The world is full of people who justify what they are trying to do because something was done to them. In Marvel Mageneto has a far better rational for what he's doing than Osama Bin Lauden does in real life.
 
He didn't start off his criminal career knocking over banks. He stole files from the government and tried to sell them to foreign countries. Besides, what does having a master's degree have to do with wether or not he'd want to commit a crime if he thought he could get away with it? An opportunity comes along where it looks like he could commit a crime and get away with it. He gets greedy, tries it, it backfires, and now he's a wanted criminal with no choice but to continue being a criminal to survive.

Also, it would take a fairly inteligent person to rob a bank succesfully. There is a big difference between robbing banks and pointing a gun in the face of the casheir at 7-11. Banks have lots of people in them, high security, and a **** ton of variables to take into account. If some high school drop out walks into a bank with a hand gun and a ski-mask, he's going to end up in jail or dead. So, while a master's degree obviously isn't necessairy to rob a bank, inteligence is.

Any moron can rob a bank, you go there with guns and demand the money and try to leave before the cops get there. That's not rocket science.

Besides why would he think he could get away with it, two cops can take him, let alone 95% of the super heroes he would likely meet. They have maanged to foil plots that were better hidden and more clever than his, why would he have tried? A lot of people may think of commiting crimes to make quick money, but know they will be caught in the end, so there is no point. Super heroes have foiled villains way more powerful and intelligent then him, so basic intelligence should have said forget it and stuck to trying to invent that glue for marketing purposes instead. He had a method of making legitimately, why would risk being sent to prison and becoming some bad man's boyfriend when he could have a ton of money the legal way? Did he not understand what prison entails? If the guy who invented post it notes saw a chance to commit a crime, he wouldn't have done, because he knew he could have gotten rich off post it notes.

A guy as smart as Trapster is supposed to be would have realized that he is not cut out to be criminal and would have given up then and there, especially if he was working an idiot that could have netted him money legitmately.
 

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