Wrestling: The Action Soap Opera Thread - - Part 15

[RetroNaz]

20-0 would sell better than 19-1.

Absolutely.

 

[RetroNaz]

Good reminder of why I can barely be bothered with WWE any more, here's a pic.

This shows you how little I watch these days...who is this?

 

[BlackLantern]

some random skank who gets tv time and probably couldn't wrestle her way out from under a ********

 

[RetroNaz]

Eve?

 

[BlackLantern]

Eve...random skank

same difference

 

[Hunter Rider]

Miss Tessmacher.

There is no money to make off the streak once Taker retires, people already own all the matches and I doubt fans are going to buy t shirts and lunch boxes with 20-0 and his head on. The streak only makes money as a drawing match for Mania, once he retires that's it, they'll shill a few DVD's and in 6 months profits will be done, Tkaer will go into the HOF and that will be that.

 

[BlackLantern]

indeed HR....

 

[RetroNaz]

And that's pretty much how WWE will manage it.

 

[Gotham Knight]

In response to Metallo: No, the Miz beating the most dominant force in WWE history is not believable. As you say, The Undertaker beat guys like Hogan, HBK and Edge. So with the Miz at his current state, I couldn't believe it.

You know what else I wouldn't believe to be realistic? Some normal sized former Indy wrestler who's finally gotten his big break just a few years ago. I wouldn't believe the guy that has to resort to cheap attacks on Randy Orton could believably beat an undead, supernatural force cleanly.

Which is why I personally don't even want the streak to end, ever. But if you're asking me who I believe is better fit to beat the Undertaker... Then I'll take the Miz who's beaten John Cena(twice) at WrestleMania, as opposed to the guy that needed to cheaply use his MITB briefcase twice in order to capture the World Championship.

In the end, nobody is believable except for a legend like The Rock, or HBK. He's undead for goodness sake. All of the HOF that he's taken down. How could CM Punk be more believable than the Miz? They're both unrealistic choices. I'm just choosing between the two.

And that ship has sailed with HBK, and er know that it won't be The Rock next year. So I'll take the younger guy with more upside.

 

[BlackLantern]

good point...especially about his former opponents

 

[Gotham Knight]

This shows you how little I watch these days...who is this?

Brooke Adams who was originally in the WWE. She now works for TNA as Miss Tessmacher as Hunter said. I have no idea as to whether she's actually talented in the ring though.

 

[Specter313]

This shows you how little I watch these days...who is this?

some random skank who gets tv time and probably couldn't wrestle her way out from under a ********

Miss Tessmacher.

She's also known as, how I believe BL once described her, "man-face" Brooke from ECW.

 

[Lantern Venom]

In response to Metallo: No, the Miz beating the most dominant force in WWE history is not believable. As you say, The Undertaker beat guys like Hogan, HBK and Edge. So with the Miz at his current state, I couldn't believe it.

You know what else I wouldn't believe to be realistic? Some normal sized former Indy wrestler who's finally gotten his big break just a few years ago. I wouldn't believe the guy that has to resort to cheap attacks on Randy Orton could believably beat an undead, supernatural force cleanly.

Which is why I personally don't even want the streak to end, ever. But if you're asking me who I believe is better fit to beat the Undertaker... Then I'll take the Miz who's beaten John Cena(twice) at WrestleMania, as opposed to the guy that needed to cheaply use his MITB briefcase twice in order to capture the World Championship.

In the end, nobody is believable except for a legend like The Rock, or HBK. He's undead for goodness sake. All of the HOF that he's taken down. How could CM Punk be more believable than the Miz? They're both unrealistic choices. I'm just choosing between the two.

And that ship has sailed with HBK, and er know that it won't be The Rock next year. So I'll take the younger guy with more upside.

I'm pretty sure Taker will retire after next year's WM. I doubt he'll put anyone over (or even be asked) so I'm guessing WWE books one of his long-time former nemesis like Kane, Big Show, or CM Punk in his final match.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I was just watching a deleted scene from Tough Enough from after the basketball challenge.Booker asks Eric if he's just playing a black man.It was hilarious.

LOL! TE was probably lucky Booker didn't drop the N-bomb. It isn't as if he always has a filter on his mouth.

Where did you see that scene? Youtube?

 

[E-Man]

To me the streak would be like the unification of the WWF and WCW world titles. In theory it would be a big moment that should go to someone on the cusp that could use that big of a boost like Jericho at that time. While guys like HHH, Undertaker, and Rock were huge names that are worthy, they really didn't need to win the Undisputed title like Jericho did. But they didn't really book it as something big with Jericho. It felt like he was just in transition instead of finally "arriving." Shortly after HHH got the belt again, and things didn't feel like they changed.

With the Streak I don't think they would book it into a long term gain for a guy, so I'd rather him just go 20-0. Punk could use the win to have a big skin on the wall, but I doubt it would be worth it because they wouldn't give him a nice run after the win. He( or anyone who would win) would get the win, brag about it for a while, then lose a title shot before fading back to the midcard.

 

[RetroNaz]

I say, keep the streak undefeated.
But have Undertaker lose to someone on his way out so they can have the bragging rights.
Simple solution.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

If WWE want Undertaker to end his streak, it has to go to someone this year who deserves it, who pushes beyond anyone else and becomes top dog.

 

[RetroNaz]

I don't think anyone is big enough to take the streak from Undertaker.

Cena, WWE's biggest star (snicker) doesn't need it.

Everyone else would just flounder and it would be a waste. I blame this all on WWE's booking, not the talent. E-Man pretty said exactly how I feel about the scenario.

 

[Heretic]

The Streak shouldn't end...and if it does, the person who ends it should be someone that the WWE intends to push as a MAJOR player for many years to come...like Brock Les...Batist...Bobby Lash...um...

and this is partially why it won't end. They won't give away the money and the legacy for potentially no return.

Oh...and if anyone thinks that a "The Streak: 20-0" DVD won't sell like hotcakes, you're fooling yourselves.

 

[Lantern Venom]

If WWE want Undertaker to end his streak, it has to go to someone this year who deserves it, who pushes beyond anyone else and becomes top dog.

I agree. I don't see WWE letting anyone take Cena's spot as the #1 guy (or Orton's as the #2) in the near future. Sacrificing The Streak for a short-term push of someone would be a monumental blunder.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

Miss Tessmacher.

There is no money to make off the streak once Taker retires, people already own all the matches and I doubt fans are going to buy t shirts and lunch boxes with 20-0 and his head on. The streak only makes money as a drawing match for Mania, once he retires that's it, they'll shill a few DVD's and in 6 months profits will be done, Tkaer will go into the HOF and that will be that.

i think this is one of the few things we disagree on, taker at this moment in time should keep the streak, honestly if it was gonna end the time has past for that to happen. there is no one on the roster who could benefit from the win.


guys like punk, orton cena( honestly they are the only ones who are even near the level for a taker mania match to mean anything) are over enough with out the streak win

 

[Metallo]

Good reminder of why I can barely be bothered with WWE any more, here's a pic.

Because of the streak or because Brooke is distracting you? Her body is insane though.

LOL! TE was probably lucky Booker didn't drop the N-bomb. It isn't as if he always has a filter on his mouth.

Where did you see that scene? Youtube?

Eric Watts, we comin for YOU, *****!

In response to Metallo: No, the Miz beating the most dominant force in WWE history is not believable. As you say, The Undertaker beat guys like Hogan, HBK and Edge. So with the Miz at his current state, I couldn't believe it.

You know what else I wouldn't believe to be realistic? Some normal sized former Indy wrestler who's finally gotten his big break just a few years ago. I wouldn't believe the guy that has to resort to cheap attacks on Randy Orton could believably beat an undead, supernatural force cleanly.

Which is why I personally don't even want the streak to end, ever. But if you're asking me who I believe is better fit to beat the Undertaker... Then I'll take the Miz who's beaten John Cena(twice) at WrestleMania, as opposed to the guy that needed to cheaply use his MITB briefcase twice in order to capture the World Championship.

In the end, nobody is believable except for a legend like The Rock, or HBK. He's undead for goodness sake. All of the HOF that he's taken down. How could CM Punk be more believable than the Miz? They're both unrealistic choices. I'm just choosing between the two.

And that ship has sailed with HBK, and er know that it won't be The Rock next year. So I'll take the younger guy with more upside.

ClearlyTakers not as undead as he used to be otherwise HHH couldn't brain damage him. And its not just legends. Yokozuna has defeated Taker and sent him away for a while.

Even if he was "undead" he CAN be defeated. Angles beaten him too. All it takes is ONE loss because quite frankly the streak is really all he has left to prove and if he's 19-1 theres no reason for him to stick around.

Punk might be an indy wrestler but he's still 20 times the wrestler Miz is and I CAN believe someone with a strong in ring repitoire like Punk could beat Taker.

Miz can't even do that sh**ty finishing move of his well enough.

How is the Miz a better fit? he beat Cena ONCE at mania by a lucky count out and he beat him the second time after the Rock HANDED him the victory. So the only way Miz could defeat Taker is to CHEAT like hell? Or have someone else hand him the victory? that taints the whole purpose of breaking the streak.

She's also known as, how I believe BL once described her, "man-face" Brooke from ECW.

I guess Blacklantern is really pulling in the hottest of the hot. Personally I think her face is fine...not her best ASSet though.

The Streak shouldn't end...and if it does, the person who ends it should be someone that the WWE intends to push as a MAJOR player for many years to come...like Brock Les...Batist...Bobby Lash...um...

and this is partially why it won't end. They won't give away the money and the legacy for potentially no return.

Oh...and if anyone thinks that a "The Streak: 20-0" DVD won't sell like hotcakes, you're fooling yourselves.

Of course it'll sell but its an short term payoff for WWE. a Streak DVD and T shirt sells for 2 years tops but using it to make a new star is a far greater return on investment if its someone who is worth it.

There really aren't many people that are worthy right now bu that could change. I can't believe you listed boring as hell Bobby Lashley though. Somebody like Brock would be the ideal candidate.

Personally Id be happy either way (20-0 or 19-1) because both arguments have merit.

Ending the streak can help build for WWE's future but at the same time if ANYONE deserves to retire undefeated at Wrestlemania its The Undertaker. He rode longer and harder than anyone as Vince's most loyal soldier.

 

[The Sage]

Hey if counts, CM Punk beat Cena twice as well, first by DQ and by pinfall on RAW a couple of months ago.

 

[Gotham Knight]

Even if he was "undead" he CAN be defeated. Angles beaten him too.

Not at the grandest stage which is WrestleMania. The entire reason why the streak is so amazing, is because of where he's been able to obtain it at. At the event of the immortals, right?

Punk might be an indy wrestler but he's still 20 times the wrestler Miz is and I CAN believe someone with a strong in ring repitoire like Punk could beat Taker.

Punk is an ordinary man who couldn't beat Orton cleanly at WrestleMania. He couldn't even win the World Championship cleanly. He's struggled throughout his career in the WWE against lesser opponents like Jeff Hardy.

How am I supposed to buy him walking into WrestleMania and defeating one of the greatest of all time and ending a streak that had gotten up to 19-0 before his arrival? Undertaker on his last leg has more credibility than CM Punk.

Unless you want him to cheat, in which case that would nullify any good reasons to end the streak in the first place.

Of course it'll sell but its an short term payoff for WWE. a Streak DVD and T shirt sells for 2 years tops but using it to make a new star is a far greater return on investment if its someone who is worth it.

From a marketing standpoint, ending the streak is an absolutely horrible move. It's a lot easier to market 20-0, and sell the t-shirts and DVD's for an undefeated streak for years to come. They can stretch it out.

As opposed to having 19-1. Now the next time they want to build up a streak like the one at WM or any other kind of a streak, the fans aren't going to buy into it. If after all these years Taker has been in the WWE and preserving his streak, it all eventually came to a crushing end. Now why would anyone even care to get invested in a streak if they know that it can possibly be broken. With the Undertaker you don't feel that way.

And it's ironic that you bring up the point that they could end the Undertaker's streak in order to boost another wrestler's credibility. They did that a few years ago. It was with Brock Lesnar who is now making a living in the UFC.

They lay pretty much lay all of their eggs in a basket with him, and then when he decides to leave shortly after getting pushed like no one ever before or at least in the WWE, he decides he doesn't want to do it anymore and wants to try out for the NFL.

After Taker not only lost his first HIAC match to him, but basically did everything in his power to make the guy look like an unstoppable force. Luckily for Austin, he made the right decision by not wanting to do the job and walked. However The Rock stepped in for Austin and lost cleanly to Lesnar. So now, two of the biggest pieces in WWE history, two future HOF guys, lost cleanly and sacrificed their characters in order to make a young kid.

And then what happens? Lesnar doesn't want to do it anymore. He wants to play Football, no wait, he wants to fight in the UFC. Which is why there's animosity between him and Taker nowadays. So basically, to play all of their chips on a young guy with potential, and end the greatest streak in pro wrestling, and anger your loyal fanbase to guess on whether a guy can be the "Next Big Thing" is way to risky.

They can't risk doing that, and then having the guy they put over decide that he's not passionate for wrestling anymore and leave. That's one of the reasons why I don't even want to the streak to end in the first place.

ClearlyTakers not as undead as he used to be otherwise HHH couldn't brain damage him. And its not just legends. Yokozuna has defeated Taker and sent him away for a while.

We all know that he isn't really undead of course. The same way that we all know that Kane and him aren't really brothers. But when you're watching Raw or Smackdown!, you don't think of that. And watching him at WrestleMania(real or not)in pain after his match with Triple H, was like watching a legend on his last leg. Maybe not undefeated throughout his career as you point out, but at WrestleMania, yes he is. And I wouldn't believe a guy that can't beat Orton cleanly(Which Undertaker did a few years back at WestleMania)could defeat the most dominant force in WWE history. At least not at WrestleMania when Taker realizes the stakes are higher.

It's not supposed to be some coincidence that he's undefeated only at WrestleMania. It's because of the magnitude of the event. He's lost throughout his career obviously, but at WrestleMania he's undefeated. It's not some unkown and strange coincidence. It's because when the stakes are at their highest, the Undertaker uses whatever supernatural powers he has to rise up and win.

Not believable to me that over the years the greats that he has faced couldn't beat him, but CM Punk who hasn't won the World Championship cleanly not even once, could beat him. Besides who is the guy that he's actually faced with credibility? Jeff Hardy when he finally got a hold of the Championship after about a decade of waiting? That's the guy that's going to end the greatest streak of all time?

How is the Miz a better fit? he beat Cena ONCE at mania by a lucky count out and he beat him the second time after the Rock HANDED him the victory. So the only way Miz could defeat Taker is to CHEAT like hell? Or have someone else hand him the victory? that taints the whole purpose of breaking the streak.

The Miz is the future of the company, whether you or I, dislike it or not. He's going to be around for years to come. CM Punk not so much. He's taken a lot of punishment throughout his Indy career, whereas the Miz is younger and has worked a lot less matches than him. And if we're going to compare their wins.

Miz: Retains belt by count out vs Cena cleanly; Beats Cena by pinfall(With help from the Rock). Now even that second time, he got out of the Attitude Adjustment by himself and Cena walked into the Rock Bottom. So to say that he needed help is not completely true. We don't know how the outcome would have turned out. And to obtain that Championship he won it against Randy Orton who had just completed a match. So he cashed in his MITB Briefcase to beat Randy the same way that Punk's done it. Only Punk's done it twice and against a worse and more beaten opponent in Jeff Hardy. And with Edge who basically didn't know where he was.

Either way, it doesn't even compare to the help that CM Punk needed.

CM Punk: Wins World Championship by beating Edge who had just taken a beating and Batista Bomb from Batista; Second World Championship is won by beating Jeff Hardy who had just taken a beating from Edge in a Ladder Match.

I'm not discounting Punk as a worker. In fact I think that he's a better overall worker than the Miz. But the Miz has more credibility, potential, and years left as a worker than Punk.

 

[BlackLantern]

The Miz has plans for life after wrestling....he won't stay in the WWE for more than 4-5 more years

a lot of younger guys getting in are like that now, theyve seen their predecessors and don't want to end up a sorry bastard, making convention appearances for $50 an appearance and hoping to sell some merch to make rent

and that is why the WWE is pushing the WWE brand over individuals, no one is safe as a long term investment anymore