🇮🇷 The Iran Thread II

[mikey1974]

http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news2.13s.html

 

[Thundercrack85]

http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news2.13s.html

In your face, South Dakota. Wait, what's this got to do with Iran?

 

[Marvolo]

cause the environmentalists won't let us....and all the foreign oil companies have their hands in the government,so we'll never truly be free of them...cause in the end it's not about what's good for the country,but about how much money they can get from the lobbiests

Environmentalists are forgetting war is bad for the environment. And this not drilling here is tying our hands forcing us into confrontation. I'm tired of this country being shackled by all the dumbasses that reside in it. Maybe they should fight the war that's coming and go straight to the frontlines since they have np desire to help us avoid it.

Do we really need lobbyists? Send their asses to the frontline to.

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

Environmentalists are forgetting war is bad for the environment. And this not drilling here is tying our hands forcing us into confrontation. I'm tired of this country being shackled by all the dumbasses that reside in it. Maybe they should fight the war that's coming and go straight to the frontlines since they have np desire to help us avoid it.

Wow. This has got to be one of the dumbest political comments I have ever read on the internet, and that's saying a lot.

So because environmentalists don't want the U.S. to use oil - and that includes domestic sources - it's their fault if the country goes to war again for oil?



There are so many groups that bear more responsibility for a possible war with Iran that it's not even funny.

Blame the oil industry, which wants control over Iranian crude supplies.
Blame the military-industrial complex, which starts wars regularly to keep taxpayer dollars flowing to weapons manufacturers.
Blame the bought-and-paid-for politicians in Washington, who never met a war they didn't like and have done nothing to address climate change or begin the transition to renewable energy.
Blame the corporate media, which spews out anti-Iranian propaganda daily.
Blame the Israel lobby, which has been working for years to build support for an attack on Iran among U.S. policymakers.

Conversely, you could swallow the official line and blame Iran for trying to develop nuclear weapons in the face of constant threats of invasion and attack.

But to blame environmentalists for the tense international situation, when they spend all their time desperately trying to get the U.S. off of oil and to fund research into renewable energy sources - advice that gets lip service from politicians who then ignore it completely and continue feeding our oil addiction - is laughable, Rush Limbaugh-level nonsense.

Considering the fact that environmentalists are also more likely to be anti-war, your attempts to pin the risk of war on them are ludicrous, when they've been the ones at the frontlines fighting against more war for oil.

Contrary to right-wing mythology, tapping domestic oil sources would not free the U.S. from foreign oil, because there's simply not enough to meet the demand. And this also fails to address the other factors driving war with Iran - Israel's desire to eliminate a regional rival, and America's overlapping need to ensure its own domination over the Middle East (while inconveniencing energy competitors like China).

You want to send somebody actually responsible to fight in an Iranian war they started? How about starting with the CEOs, politicians, lobbyists, careerist army generals and corporate media ****es and then working down from there?

Do we really need lobbyists? Send their asses to the frontline to.

Now THIS I would be in favour of. t:

 

[8wid]

Iran nuclear: Russia's Lavrov warns against attack

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

I think I went a little easy on the Iranian government in my last post. I don't tend to fixate on their responsibility because the media does it for me every day, but of course it's a repressive theocracy and hardliners in the government are certainly helping to stir up trouble by antagonizing the U.S.

Nevertheless, it's hard to blame them for that when you consider the brutal history of U.S. intervention in Iran. If anyone is picking a fight here, it's clearly Israel and the United States. No surprise there; why would a relatively small, weak country deliberately stoke tensions with the global military hyperpower?

 

[8wid]

UN inspectors visit Iran as nuclear tensions rise

 

[8wid]

What does the future hold for Iran?

Is western media preparing the public for a war with Iran?-A Simple Question-12-12-2011

 

[mikey1974]

be interesting to see what will happen if the UN inspectors find no concrete evidence of Iran working on the The Bomb...

i'd like to think/hope the US will back off a bit then,which would hopefully lead to the reopening of talks between both sides...

Israel,however,is the ultimate wild card...they're going to attack,i have no doubt...just a matter of when....

 

[mikey1974]

looks like we're going to have a war,whether we want it or not,or can afford it:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/02/panetta-concerned-israel-months-from-striking-iran/

 

[Marvolo]

Wow. This has got to be one of the dumbest political comments I have ever read on the internet, and that's saying a lot.

So because environmentalists don't want the U.S. to use oil - and that includes domestic sources - it's their fault if the country goes to war again for oil?



There are so many groups that bear more responsibility for a possible war with Iran that it's not even funny.

Blame the oil industry, which wants control over Iranian crude supplies.
Blame the military-industrial complex, which starts wars regularly to keep taxpayer dollars flowing to weapons manufacturers.
Blame the bought-and-paid-for politicians in Washington, who never met a war they didn't like and have done nothing to address climate change or begin the transition to renewable energy.
Blame the corporate media, which spews out anti-Iranian propaganda daily.
Blame the Israel lobby, which has been working for years to build support for an attack on Iran among U.S. policymakers.

Conversely, you could swallow the official line and blame Iran for trying to develop nuclear weapons in the face of constant threats of invasion and attack.

But to blame environmentalists for the tense international situation, when they spend all their time desperately trying to get the U.S. off of oil and to fund research into renewable energy sources - advice that gets lip service from politicians who then ignore it completely and continue feeding our oil addiction - is laughable, Rush Limbaugh-level nonsense.

Considering the fact that environmentalists are also more likely to be anti-war, your attempts to pin the risk of war on them are ludicrous, when they've been the ones at the frontlines fighting against more war for oil.

Contrary to right-wing mythology, tapping domestic oil sources would not free the U.S. from foreign oil, because there's simply not enough to meet the demand. And this also fails to address the other factors driving war with Iran - Israel's desire to eliminate a regional rival, and America's overlapping need to ensure its own domination over the Middle East (while inconveniencing energy competitors like China).

You want to send somebody actually responsible to fight in an Iranian war they started? How about starting with the CEOs, politicians, lobbyists, careerist army generals and corporate media ****es and then working down from there?



Now THIS I would be in favour of. t:

Read my post before commenting. I did not say that environmentalist are responsible because they want us to use oil. I said they take part of the responsibility because they don't want us to drill here so we can be self seficient. We could supply our own oil if not for them
We don't even need middle eastern oil.

Yes it is just as much their fault. If we were drilling here we would have a lot more options to deal with the middle east. As it stands now we are pussyfooting around because if we upset these terrorist dogs they cut off oil supply. These environmentalists are tying our hands just as much as the fearmongering war hungry goons in Washington. Sorry you don't realize that but anyone who ties our hands is hurting us. The environmentalist are tying our hands therefore they are hurtings us.

I love animals but human life takes precedent over wildlife imo. I will sacrifice some animals and temporarily sacrifice some trees so we can drill for oil and get out of this dependence on the middle east. Anyone who can't realize and fights to stop the drilling is playing a part in causing this situation. Everyone should be aware of how their actions effect the country on a larger scale. Besides every tree that is removed for drilling two are planted in it's place so they are *****ing about nothing.

I'm sorry you dont see that this war is caused by more than just the obvious people. If you think its ok for us to be dependent on the middle east I'm sorry for that too.

One last thing I don't care if there are more people that are more responsible. That doesnt mean anything. The environmentalists are still tying our hands. Now attack me about this.

On another topic, we really cannot afford another war. I have to say I am tired of this countries fate being determined by what Israel is planning or doing. I'm not anti Israel but to get into anpther war because isreal is trigger happy would be very bad for us. What would be the fallout of us not helping Israel? Would that be an option and would congress do that?

 

[mikey1974]

Iran potentially developing missiles to reach U.S. East Coast:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/new-iranian-missile-could-strike-us-20120203-1qxpp.html

 

[mikey1974]

Are we screwed? is there any way to get out of this? the nightmare scenerio seems to be playing out,as we've now reached the level of basically open and hostile threats of attack,terrorist attacks ,and ICBM's between Iran,Israel,and the U.S...

we can only hope that the UN Inspector's find no proof of nuclear weapon's development,because that may be the only thing that cools this situation down,since none of the sides are apparently willing to take a step back...though,i'm slightly optimistic that the U.S. is telling Israel to not attack,and if they do we won't participate in a war with Iran...though if Iran DOES start terrorist attacks against the US in retaliation,then we'll be in it sooner rather than later....

 

[8wid]

Cardboard cut-out Ayatollah Khomeini tours Tehran

 

[Hobgoblin]

Israel Warns American Jews to be Aware of Possible Iranian Threats
http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-israel-warns-us-jews-iran-could-strike-153636488--abc-news.html

 

[enterthemadness]

Iran potentially developing missiles to reach U.S. East Coast:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/new-iranian-missile-could-strike-us-20120203-1qxpp.html

Living next to MCAS Cherry Point, this worries me. However, I'm sure we would "**** them up" if they launch missiles at our eastern seaboard.

 

[mikey1974]

Living next to MCAS Cherry Point, this worries me. However, I'm sure we would "**** them up" if they launch missiles at our eastern seaboard.

if they were going to do it,i'm sure they'd pick a more high-profile target : New York,Boston, Washington,Miami,etc...

 

[8wid]

That story is absolute bu******. What would they stick at the end of it? They have no nuclear warheads near being ready for an attack like that. A suicide bombing, assassination, or sabotage is much more likely if anything than anything that totally outrageous.

Why would Iran not hit US bases in the area and Europe first? Even sabotage the efforts of the Israeli air force or another more realistic measure like damaging Saudi oil fields or destabilizing the governments in Iraq or Afghanistan?. This is more fear mongering with a very baseless threat to the US.

Iran has never attacked another nation in its modern history, I've heard that Israel is ready to launch an airstrike within whatever amount of time since at least 2005, it would be mean global economic collapse within weeks after the price of oil hikes to three hundred dollars a barrel and the US deficit, let alone that of NATO European nations could not afford a war with three times the number of people in Iraq and four times the land size.

North Korea has long range missiles that can strike Hawaii and Alaska with a nuclear warhead, maybe the south, Australia, or Japan too. They would be a bigger threat.

 

[Dr. Evil]

In your face, South Dakota. Wait, what's this got to do with Iran?

South Dakota is going to say "we got Mount Rushmore!"

Of course, both Dakotas can easily claim (along with Montana and Idaho) as the states with the least number of African Americans.

 

[8wid]

Proof of how old the rhetoric of Israel or the US bombing Iran is.

This redundant speculation about a war over the nuclear program in Iran has been going on since at least since the Iraq invasion took place. This means the rhetoric is nearly a decade old and is brought up by corporate media interests whenever the have a slow news day. Not likely that this war is ever going to happen outside the news fairy tales.

 

[mikey1974]

That story is absolute bu******. What would they stick at the end of it? They have no nuclear warheads near being ready for an attack like that. A suicide bombing, assassination, or sabotage is much more likely if anything than anything that totally outrageous.

Why would Iran not hit US bases in the area and Europe first? Even sabotage the efforts of the Israeli air force or another more realistic measure like damaging Saudi oil fields or destabilizing the governments in Iraq or Afghanistan?. This is more fear mongering with a very baseless threat to the US.

Iran has never attacked another nation in its modern history, I've heard that Israel is ready to launch an airstrike within whatever amount of time since at least 2005, it would be mean global economic collapse within weeks after the price of oil hikes to three hundred dollars a barrel and the US deficit, let alone that of NATO European nations could not afford a war with three times the number of people in Iraq and four times the land size.

North Korea has long range missiles that can strike Hawaii and Alaska with a nuclear warhead, maybe the south, Australia, or Japan too. They would be a bigger threat.

the thing that struck me is that ISRAELI intelligence found this "plot" to develop a missile to reach the U.S....certainly not our intelligence agencies or spy network....

and considering we bascially just told Israel that we won't support or defend them if they do attack without our approval first (and considering we keep telling them NOT to attack) ,i know that even if they will go it alone,they desperately want us in on it because of our bunker-buster bombs and such,then i'm really considering this as a fiction made up y the Israeli's to try and get us in the fight they so desperately want.... "oh,look,they're targeting you now,too! now you HAVE to do something to defend yourselves!!"

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Iraq was the same scenario.

 

[8wid]

Once the US pulls out of Afghanistan, this stupid rhetoric of bombing Iran will disappear and just be like the strange days of going all the way into Iraq during the Gulf War, going to Hanoi, Cambodia, and China during Vietnam. Not to mention the desire to not stop at Berlin or Rome, but to keep going into Madrid and Moscow to take out fascists in Spain and the communists in the Soviet Union. With a Democrat in the White House with more rhetoric than this, there should really be nothing to worry about.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Iran acquiring nuclear weapons will obviously be a relevant issue for years to come. Not to mention that the US isn't the only one who has a stake in this issue.

 

[8wid]

^There's no evidence they intent to get weaponized nukes. The nuclear program for energy in the Middle East would be a bigger story to me.