The Iran Thread

[Midnyte_Sun]

WHITE HOUSE AGAIN CONDEMNS NEWEST SITUATION IN IRAN
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/12/27/white-house-condemns-iran-situation/

Utter hypocrisy on US's part. Condemn Iran, but turn a blind eye to China, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt?

 

[Marx]

I just read an AP article that suggested Iran is seeking to smuggle uranium into the country from Kazakhstan.

 

[The Battousai]

 

[Marx]

I just read another AP article reporting on Iranian police claiming that Mousavi's nephew was ASSASSINATED by unidentified assailants, not killed by security forces.

Yikes.

 

[Kelly]

LMAO...yeah right...unidentified assailants my ass.

 

[Marx]

LMAO...yeah right...unidentified assailants my ass.

I have a hard time believing the 'unidentified' aspect as well. I do believe he was specifically targeted...but I don't believe that they don't know who did it.

 

[Kelly]

His uncle is next if they can't throw him in prison...he's pretty much on house arrest at the moment, but as soon as he really kicks in the "I'm speaking out...." mode...he's gone.

 

[Marx]

GOVERNMENT SUPPORTERS PACK IRANIAN STREETS TO CONDEMN OPPOSITION
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/30/iran.rallies/index.html

This just keeps getting more and more interesting...

 

[Kelly]

I'm waiting for the first of the IRGC to turn on the government and say no more, much like the Imperial army in Russia did against Nicholas II...That will make it interesting....

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Do you guys actually believe that this supposed revolution among dissidents in Iran is free from America's influence? It seems everybody has amnesia and forgets that America assassinated the democratically elected leader in Iran because he wanted to nationalize Iran's oil. We appointed the puppet Shah of Iran as the leader and he brutally cracked down on dissidents in equally worse ways as this regime. Back then, the US was supporting Iran's nuclear ambitions.

Now that American lost it's oil ally, it wants it back, and it's using the National Endowment for Democracy to push it's imperialism. The NED has funnelled millions to opposition parties all over the world, including Iran:

According to Foreign Policy Journal dot com:

"Between 1990 and 1992, NED financed the Cuban-American National Foundation, an anti-Castro group out of Miami that in turn funded Luis Posada Carriles, a terrorist harbored by the U.S. who was responsible for the bombing of a Cuban airliner in 1976 that killed 73 people.[7]

NED was present in Mongolia helping to unite opposition parties under the National Democratic Union to defeat the Mongolian People’s Revolutionary Party that had won elections in 1992. With backing from NED, the NDU won in 1996 and U.S. media lauded the economic “shock-therapy” that the new pro-West government would implement. Under the new government, the National Security Agency (NSA) also set up shop with listening posts to spy on China. [8]

During the Clinton administration, NED was in Haiti working with the opposition to ousted president Jean-Bertrand Aristide.[9]

And NED was in Venezuela financing the opposition to President Hugo Chavez, including groups involved in the attempted coup in 2002 that nearly succeeded in his overthrow.[10]

NED is also active in Iran, granting hundreds of thousands of dollars to Iranian groups. From 2005 to 2007, NED gave $345,000 to the Abdorrahman Boroumand Foundation (ABF).[11] The group claims “no political affiliation” on its website, but is named for the founder of the National Movement of the Iranian Resistance (NAMIR), an opposition group to the clerical regime founded in 1980. "

Source: http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com...le-in-fomenting-unrest-during-irans-election/

 

[Marx]

I think there is probably some type of percentage that is swayed by american influence...but I honestly think it's more a case of the iranian people being fed up.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

I think there is probably some type of percentage that is swayed by american influence...but I honestly think it's more a case of the iranian people being fed up.

They were fed up in 1979 also and they did it by themselves, WITHOUT Foreign Aid.

There is no point in America going in via NED and trying to force a revolution with our tax dollars. The Iranian people are perfectly capable of performing a revolution by themselves.

 

[Marx]

MOUSAVI, KARROUBI FLEE TEHRAN?
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=94860

 

[Marx]

MOUSAVI CONDEMNS CRACKDOWN
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/01/01/iran.moussavi/index.html

 

[Kelly]

MOUSAVI, KARROUBI FLEE TEHRAN?
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=94860

So let me get this straight, this article is saying that they have fled because the "people" are upset with them and they are afraid for their lives?

Do they really expect us to believe that ********? Damn, they must think we are dumb.

 

[Marx]

IRAN PLANNING 'LARGE-SCALE MILITARY EXERCISE' NEXT MONTH?
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/01/03/iran.defense.drill/index.html

 

[Kelly]

Lovely...just awesome. I'm sure the UN will say, "Now, don't do that...we will put in writing something else that we won't follow through on...we might even write you a letter."

 

[Ace of Knaves]

The good people of Iran should be evacuated. Then the country should be turned into a crater.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

The propaganda out these days sounds very familiar to the buildup before Operation: Iraqi regime change.

 

[Kelly]

So you think that the video we see of people protesting in the streets of Iran is propaganda?

And do you think as the President of Iran does that it is the US that is facilitating the increased protests in the streets of Iran?

And do you not think that Iran is wanting the uranium for anything other than Nuclear Weapons?

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

So you think that the video we see of people protesting in the streets of Iran is propaganda?

And do you think as the President of Iran does that it is the US that is facilitating the increased protests in the streets of Iran?

And do you not think that Iran is wanting the uranium for anything other than Nuclear Weapons?

Hundreds of millions of dollars of USA, Israel, and European support for dissident groups (even Jihadi and Socialist groups) does help establishing protests and assassinate political rivals.

But to answer your main question, yes, because the protestors who were condemning the Shah's oppressive regime were 10 times greater than the protests today. Back then, Kissinger was applauding Iran's Nuclear ambitions and the Shah was having lavish parties while his own rural population squandered in poverty and dissidents were busy having broken bottles shoved up their rectum.

To think that America cares for people being oppressed by a brutal regime is laughabe. Saudi Arabia is a great example, they are 10 times more oppressive than the Iranian regime, yet wheres the outcry? They are not even allowed to protest there. If they do, they are all arrested, tortured, and executed.

Uighurs were being oppressed for over 40 years, their lands overpopulated by the Han Chinese, what did we see on TV? During the recent protests there were no blog updates because internet was cut, cell phone communication was cut, protesters executed, and hundreds arrested. You can't even speak against the regime for fear of the secret police. Yet China is okay as long as their cheaply produced crap floods our giant department stores.

Is this propaganda build up for a reason? Yes ofcourse, USA is intent on changing regimes.

The same way we shouldn't be pumping hormones in our chickens to produce unnatural amounts of tasteless chicken breast, we shoudn't be pumping our tax dollars to change regimes prematurely in a country with people that have proven to change regimes by themselves.

That is why we are having such a hard time in Iraq and Afghanistan creating democratic regimes. America itself is the culmination of great thinkers putting people together for a common cause, obviously Iran isn't ready yet.

MTV, Youtube, and other forms of multimedia communication is the best way to reach the people and the best way to help change the regime in a natural way where the people decide. US should stop supporting Jihadi Awazi groups, Baluchi separatists, Socialists, and the highly publicized moderates, who would not be in danger if it wasn't for our meddling and support.

 

[StorminNorman]

You think it's premature to want to oust a regime that makes a daily habit of proclaiming their intent to destroy one of our greatest allies? You think it's premature to want to oust a regime guilty of all the human rights violations the current regime has? You think it's premature to want to oust a regime that has no problem killing its own citizens when they disagree with them?

Awesome.

 

[Kelly]

Hundreds of millions of dollars of USA, Israel, and European support for dissident groups (even Jihadi and Socialist groups) does help establishing protests and assassinate political rivals.

But to answer your main question, yes, because the protestors who were condemning the Shah's oppressive regime were 10 times greater than the protests today. Back then, Kissinger was applauding Iran's Nuclear ambitions and the Shah was having lavish parties while his own rural population squandered in poverty and dissidents were busy having broken bottles shoved up their rectum.

To think that America cares for people being oppressed by a brutal regime is laughabe. Saudi Arabia is a great example, they are 10 times more oppressive than the Iranian regime, yet wheres the outcry? They are not even allowed to protest there. If they do, they are all arrested, tortured, and executed.

Uighurs were being oppressed for over 40 years, their lands overpopulated by the Han Chinese, what did we see on TV? During the recent protests there were no blog updates because internet was cut, cell phone communication was cut, protesters executed, and hundreds arrested. You can't even speak against the regime for fear of the secret police. Yet China is okay as long as their cheaply produced crap floods our giant department stores.

Is this propaganda build up for a reason? Yes ofcourse, USA is intent on changing regimes.

The same way we shouldn't be pumping hormones in our chickens to produce unnatural amounts of tasteless chicken breast, we shoudn't be pumping our tax dollars to change regimes prematurely in a country with people that have proven to change regimes by themselves.

That is why we are having such a hard time in Iraq and Afghanistan creating democratic regimes. America itself is the culmination of great thinkers putting people together for a common cause, obviously Iran isn't ready yet.

MTV, Youtube, and other forms of multimedia communication is the best way to reach the people and the best way to help change the regime in a natural way where the people decide. US should stop supporting Jihadi Awazi groups, Baluchi separatists, Socialists, and the highly publicized moderates, who would not be in danger if it wasn't for our meddling and support.

My questions were yes and no answers...

 

[Kurosawa]

You think it's premature to want to oust a regime that makes a daily habit of proclaiming their intent to destroy one of our greatest allies? You think it's premature to want to oust a regime guilty of all the human rights violations the current regime has? You think it's premature to want to oust a regime that has no problem killing its own citizens when they disagree with them?

Awesome.

Exactly. We need to do or encourage whatever is best for us. We owe Iran and the rest of the Islamic world nothing. Until those countries get their acts together and get their extremists under control instead of having them IN control, they haven't earned anything but that.

It would be like if the KKK was running our country or something.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Hundreds of millions of dollars of USA, Israel, and European support for dissident groups (even Jihadi and Socialist groups) does help establishing protests and assassinate political rivals.

But to answer your main question, yes, because the protestors who were condemning the Shah's oppressive regime were 10 times greater than the protests today. Back then, Kissinger was applauding Iran's Nuclear ambitions and the Shah was having lavish parties while his own rural population squandered in poverty and dissidents were busy having broken bottles shoved up their rectum.

So you're saying that because the protests are less than what they were when we were definitely involved this proves we are still involved even though we are according to you giving more money to fund these protests?

That doesn't strike you as contradictory in nature or sense?

While I'll agree we are supporting the dissident movements, this is a far cry from the shah's involvement and us. Iran, before our involvement was full of dissidence and protests so let's not say the US is the only cause of their current problems or strife. Isn't it possible, just possible, that this was brought on by people upset by a more and more oppressive regime?