🇮🇷 The Iran Thread II

[Midnyte_Sun]

America will bare the cost of a war against Israel. If Israel is attacked by Iran, in hopes of destroying the state: America will work hard to build a coalition (it might have already done that) in getting Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE to cooperate, and using their bases in Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, and Turkey. They will also get support from European countries, France, Germany, UK. I also think China and Russia are all bark no bite, they will cooperate with the ousting the Iranian regime.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Iran War Scenario

Well now...that's cute.

 

[8wid]

A war in Iran will anihilate the power of the American Empire in a matter of weeks. Even without it, the wars in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen, and all the other nations during the War on Terror will do it with in the next quarter century. The age of Imperialism is soon going to be over and America will no longer have overseas bases for much longer to come, it simply cannot afford to maintain them.

 

[Dr. Evil]

America will bare the cost of a war against Israel. If Israel is attacked by Iran, in hopes of destroying the state: America will work hard to build a coalition (it might have already done that) in getting Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE to cooperate, and using their bases in Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, and Turkey. They will also get support from European countries, France, Germany, UK. I also think China and Russia are all bark no bite, they will cooperate with the ousting the Iranian regime.

Only if they believe that they can get a fair deal (for oil and exports and natural resources) in an Iran after war. Otherwise, they will oppose it.

I don't see it happening though, at least not this year, an election year in the United States.

 

[8wid]

The Iran threat: Separating fact from fiction

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Incidentally, does anybody think The States, instead of engaging in another Stalemate War/Invasion, will just organize a coup or send assassins? Granted, the assassin strategy hasn't worked in years (that I'm aware of anyways) but if Iran does continue to disturb Israel, actions will be taken. Hell, provisions and strategies have probably already been formed and attempted.

 

[8wid]

^It seems the CIA or the Israeli Intelligence organization already is trying by taking out civilian nuclear scientists. I think this is another reason that the idea of invading Iran is not likely because it's rhetoric that's been around more than eight years now. Iran is always less than a year, two years of five years from developing an atomic bomb, the US needs to to go in with bunker busters, Israel might strike this year or the may not etc. It's all hype that's been going on in the media since the Iraq War started.

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

Incidentally, does anybody think The States, instead of engaging in another Stalemate War/Invasion, will just organize a coup or send assassins? Granted, the assassin strategy hasn't worked in years (that I'm aware of anyways) but if Iran does continue to disturb Israel, actions will be taken. Hell, provisions and strategies have probably already been formed and attempted.

How is Iran disturbing Israel?

And I want to hear about Iranian actions, not rhetoric.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

^It seems the CIA or the Israeli Intelligence organization already is trying by taking out civilian nuclear scientists. I think this is another reason that the idea of invading Iran is not likely because it's rhetoric that's been around more than eight years now. Iran is always less than a year, two years of five years from developing an atomic bomb, the US needs to to go in with bunker busters, Israel might strike this year or the may not etc. It's all hype that's been going on in the media since the Iraq War started.

Yeah, more than likely.

I don't see The States getting involved in anything that requires lots of boots and artillery on desert sand yet again... unless Iran finally does decide to bomb Israel.

Black Op/Cloak-and-Dagger and Joint Op missions appear like the more attractive route for The States, in the matter.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

How is Iran disturbing Israel?

And I want to hear about Iranian actions, not rhetoric.

Well, the rhetoric is what seems to captivate the attention of The States. I'm quite aware, however, that rhetoric doesn't warrant or translate to actual forceful activity but the rhetoric is still coated with threats. Whether they be empty or hallow, that is another story, but The States are going to respond, in one form or another to Ahmadinejad and his cabinet.

 

[8wid]

Ron Paul on Super Tuesday

 

[DACrowe]

OBAMA TALKS ABOUT THE THE WAR-MONGERING IN THE GOP RACE
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73674.html

I'm more worried about the hawks in a different country at this point.

 

[Lighthouse]

Interesting seeing Romney criticize the administrations actions, while saying if he was president he would do the exact same thing.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Interesting seeing Romney criticize the administrations actions, while saying if he was president he would do the exact same thing.

He's actually being consistent then. He always criticizes things he once did himself.

 

[DACrowe]

Or will inevitably find himself doing and/or supporting in the future.

 

[Arc-Light]

Interesting seeing Romney criticize the administrations actions, while saying if he was president he would do the exact same thing.

LOL because he is a Republican robot and when intelligence and common sense kick in, it interferes with the rest of his conservative right-wing programing.....

 

[Marx]

The GOP war-mongering is certainly nothing new. The last thing we need in this country is yet another war.

 

[Paradoxium]

GOP is no surprise, but I am surprised you think Obama won't go through with it.

 

[The Overlord]

If Iran attacks Israel first than it's Israel's problem. Iran firing missiles at US bases in Kuwait or Afghanistan or planning a suicide bombing in the New York Subway on the other hand is a blantant act of war that could be justified by an aerial war that eliminates the regime, no ground troops though. The occupation alone would take at least twenty-five years. An attack by Iran would see that nation as the aggressor in the eyes of the international community though.

The problem is Israel is such a small country, that a couple of nuclear missiles could destroy it. I don't think Israel is some country full of super villains who just want to do bad things for no reason, after the Holocaust, I do think the Jewish people in Israel are paranoid about another attack like that. Sometimes that paranoia isn't justified, but it is understandable considering history and Iran's rhetoric is not helping here. If the Iranian government insists on using this type rhetoric, other countries won't trust their intentions, some of the worst crimes in human history started as mere rhetoric.

 

[DACrowe]

I think it's more than Iran's rhetoric. They smuggled weapons to Hezbollah to fire at Israel in the 2006 war and have baited sectarian war and the killing of Americans in Iraq. Also, if Iran does get a nuclear weapon, it could start an arms race in the Middle East with Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey all trying to get them too.

Israel has the right to be upset, but will bombing Iran solve anything or just make it worse? It won't bring regime change and set them back years. Whether it be two years or ten, they'll still want a nuke and be more angry and duplicitous about it than before.

 

[DACrowe]

I think it's more than Iran's rhetoric. They smuggled weapons to Hezbollah to fire at Israel in the 2006 war and have baited sectarian war and the killing of Americans in Iraq. Also, if Iran does get a nuclear weapon, it could start an arms race in the Middle East with Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey all trying to get them too.

Israel has the right to be upset, but will bombing Iran solve anything or just make it worse? It won't bring regime change and set them back years. Whether it be two years or ten, they'll still want a nuke and be more angry and duplicitous about it than before.

 

[The Overlord]

I think it's more than Iran's rhetoric. They smuggled weapons to Hezbollah to fire at Israel in the 2006 war and have baited sectarian war and the killing of Americans in Iraq. Also, if Iran does get a nuclear weapon, it could start an arms race in the Middle East with Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey all trying to get them too.

Israel has the right to be upset, but will bombing Iran solve anything or just make it worse? It won't bring regime change and set them back years. Whether it be two years or ten, they'll still want a nuke and be more angry and duplicitous about it than before.

That may be true, but what else is there for Israel to do? They are in between a rock and hard place here. The Iranian government says they want to use nuclear power for peaceful purposes, but they go out of their way to be antagonize Israel and Israel is just naturally paranoid due historical events. While I do not wish a war in the Middle East, Iran contesting testing Israel's patience is a good way to create one. While bombing Iran may not be the right decision, I think Israel may feel backed into a coroner and may do it out of desperation.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

As much as I think any war with Iran is about protecting Israel, I can see that the goal would instead turn to regime change. This is the #1 reason that Iran will build nuclear weapons, and that is to prevent invasion and toppling of their government.

If Israel triggers the toppling of the Islamic republic, the US and their allies will be dragged into it and the ramifications are huge. I highly doubt Israel would be nuked, but with NATO forced on Iran, there will be alliances made to free Iran (which holds holy places for Shia Islam).

If American doesn't make peace with the Taliban, the Taliban will find new allies among Shia groups like the Shia Hezbe Wahdat that have now been friendly with the US in Afghanistan. There will be hordes of Shia's from the tribal lands between Afghanistan and Pakistan that have been friendly with the US, turning their backs. You will see Shia's from India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Bahrain, maybe even China, getting armed and ready to attack US interests throughout the region. Their goal would be to free Shia Islam's holiest cities from Western forces creating new Bin Ladens of the Shia Design.

With the alliance of Sunni and Shia armed groups, there will be regional instability in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Shia regions of the Middle East and I doubt the US will be able to contain them all. It will be death by a thousand cuts for NATO.

 

[The Overlord]

As much as I think any war with Iran is about protecting Israel, I can see that the goal would instead turn to regime change. This is the #1 reason that Iran will build nuclear weapons, and that is to prevent invasion and toppling of their government.

If Israel triggers the toppling of the Islamic republic, the US and their allies will be dragged into it and the ramifications are huge. I highly doubt Israel would be nuked, but with NATO forced on Iran, there will be alliances made to free Iran (which holds holy places for Shia Islam).

If American doesn't make peace with the Taliban, the Taliban will find new allies among Shia groups like the Shia Hezbe Wahdat that have now been friendly with the US in Afghanistan. There will be hordes of Shia's from the tribal lands between Afghanistan and Pakistan that have been friendly with the US, turning their backs. You will see Shia's from India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Bahrain, maybe even China, getting armed and ready to attack US interests throughout the region. Their goal would be to free Shia Islam's holiest cities from Western forces creating new Bin Ladens of the Shia Design.

With the alliance of Sunni and Shia armed groups, there will be regional instability in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Shia regions of the Middle East and I doubt the US will be able to contain them all. It will be death by a thousand cuts for NATO.

None of that sounds likely, when you consider that there is still a lot of tension between the Sunnis and Shia. I doubt the Taliban would ally themselves with the Shia, even the Iranians thought the Taliban were insane and a lot of the civil strife in Iraq is Sunnis attacking *****es and mainly Sunni countries, the *****e minority is often targeted for discrimination and attacks. There won't be an alliance between the two factions any time soon, they hate each other.

Just because one doesn't want a war in the Middle East, doesn't mean that one has to think that Iran having a nuke would be a good thing. If a Shia country like Iran gets a nuke, the surrounding Sunni countries could see Iran as a great threat and fear they will stir the Shia minorities in their own countries to revolt and they try to get their won nukes to counter Iran. A new nuclear arms race in the Middle East can't be a good thing. There is more then one path to war, it cuts both ways. I am of the belief that fewer nuclear weapons makes the world a better place, not more.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

I just can't buy that. Hezbollah is run by Shia's, but they support the plight of the Sunni Palestinians. Hezbe Wahdat was funded by the CIA and Iran, and they joined forces with Hezbe Islami, the Sunni faction when fighting the Russians in Afghanistan. The tribal lands between Afghanistan and Pakistan is mostly Sunni, but the Shia Pashtuns there joined forces with the Sunnis to remove the Russians from Afghanistan. The Shia of Pakistan and India look to Iran and Iraq for spiritual guidance. If the Ayotollahs of Iraq and Iran call for Jihad against NATO, they will throw away immediate rivalries to fight a common enemy.