12 killed in Colorado shooting at Dark Knight Rises premiere - Part 1

[Darthphere]

Once again the civilian AR15 is not a military weapon. I think people are forgetting that.

Then stop using the internet, because that was initially developed for military use.

Because the internet was designed to kill people.

 

[huskerwebhead]

The difference is they shoot one round per trigger pull same as a lever action and bolt action rifle whereas an assault rifle shoots a whole magazine in one trigger pull. Seriously how are people this clueless about gun mechanics?

I don't think anyone is disputing that. But are you telling me that a semi-automatic rifle, with a 100 round magazine (which is what I believe he had), wouldn't be able to kill more people at a faster rate than a bolt action rifle where you have to load the round manually each time and carries only a handful of bullets before you have to stop and reload?

All you have to do is pull the trigger 100 times, versus:

pulling the trigger, loading a round, pulling the trigger, loading a round, pulling the trigger, loading a round, etc. then stopping to reload....

I'm not necessarily backing one camp or the other, I'm just trying to clear up why people are targeting this weapon over a bolt action hunting rifle. It IS easier to use and, in this configuration, would easily fire more rounds than your average hunting rifle.

 

[Kable24]

Because the internet was designed to kill people.

Cyber bullying has caused quite a few suicides.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

How many people could a man with a frying pan in a theater of 100+ people kill?

You'd be surprised.

But in all seriousness if not guns, crazy people will find another way to kill.

 

[Kane52630]

This debate is just going to be an endless cycle around the country and the world. Both sides will never fully agree or consent to the other's viewpoint.

I disagree. I agree with you perfectly.

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[redhawk23]

Cyber bullying is not particularly different than getting picked on in real life. That's hardly a valid comparison.

 

[Darthphere]

Cyber bullying has caused quite a few suicides.

So has regular bullying. Lets make bullying illegal!

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

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[amazingfantasy15]

Ok then a car when people are leaving the theater? Should I blame Ford because someone drove his car into a crowd of people. I'm sure cars cause more deaths in a year than guns do. yet no one cries, we need to ban cars.

With household chemicals and some scrap metal he could have made a bomb and killed everyone in the whole room. Should we outlaw basic chemicals and metal? He wouldnt even need a permit for that stuff. Hell an employee at a restaurant could poison an entire restaurant with items bought in walmart. Point is if a civillian really wants to kill a lot of people a gun is one of the least effective ways. Its noisy and has a finite amount of bullets. It draws immediate attention and requires multiple hits.

I love these arugments because it discounts the fact that those items were designed for a different use. There is only one purpose a gun has, death or injury, what is the other purpose of a gun. If you say protection, then yes that's right, protection through death or injury. Please tell me what is the primary function of a gun other than that.

I don't know, how many people could 4 guys with box cutters kill in a plane of 200+ people?

Apples and oranges, truly, the reson why the hijackers of 9/11 got away with their plan was prior to that hijackers landed the plane and made demands. Do you really think the passengers wouldn't have revolted if they knew the true intentions of the hijackers?

 

[Kelly]

You'd be surprised.

But in all seriousness if not guns, crazy people will find another way to kill.

I know, frying pans.....

 

[Kable24]

So has regular bullying. Lets make bullying illegal!

See how stupid that sounds? Cars weren't intended to kill people, but they do. My point is there are roughly 80 million gun owners in the US and about 258 million guns owned total.

Yes, guns were designed for killing. Guns kill people. Mine are obviously broke along with 80 million others.

in the wrong hand anything can be a weapon. My point is people need to quit belly aching about guns and focus on the people who get their hands on guns.

Like I said, my guns have fired thousands of rounds and not one has ever entered a human. 80 Million can probably all say the same thing.

 

[Marvolo]

I don't think anyone is disputing that. But are you telling me that a semi-automatic rifle, with a 100 round magazine (which is what I believe he had), wouldn't be able to kill more people at a faster rate than a bolt action rifle where you have to load the round manually each time and carries only a handful of bullets before you have to stop and reload?

All you have to do is pull the trigger 100 times, versus:

pulling the trigger, loading a round, pulling the trigger, loading a round, pulling the trigger, loading a round, etc. then stopping to reload....

I'm not necessarily backing one camp or the other, I'm just trying to clear up why people are targeting this weapon over a bolt action hunting rifle. It IS easier to use and, in this configuration, would easily fire more rounds than your average hunting rifle.

You have a perfectly valid point however AR-15 magazines only hold 20-30 rounds. As far as i know no manufacturer makes a 100 round magazine. Could be wrong tho. Yes a bolt action is slower but he could still kill people with it. If you are going to scream for the outlaw of a gun based on it being able to shoot 20 bullets in 20 seconds then we must outlaw the bolt action that can shoot 6 bullets in 15 seconds. Point is any gun can kill at least one person so if the real reason for outlawing guns is to save people then all guns should be outlawed. We have already shown that would do more harm than good.

Some states do have magazine capacity regulations. Every american is allowed to bear arms but there are restrictions and each state has their own regulations.

 

[Kable24]

I love these arugments because it discounts the fact that those items were designed for a different use. There is only one purpose a gun has, death or injury, what is the other purpose of a gun. If you say protection, then yes that's right, protection through death or injury. Please tell me what is the primary function of a gun other than that.

Like I said mine have never killed or injured anyone, except for slide bite, which any shooter has experienced.

Other purposes for guns?

Collect. I work with a guy who collects Vietnam era guns. A lot of people collect World War era guns. I like to collect guns like I collect comics. I prefer guns that are more modern.

I enjoy shooting target with my guns. It's a sport.

hunting. A lot of people use guns to hunt for food. It's cheaper to shoot an animal say a deer to supply their family with meat for a whole season that to constantly buy beef.

protection. a lot of farmers uses the AR rifle to hunt animals at night that are destroying their crops. Wild hogs and deer and it's perfectly legal with conjunction with game commission.

 

[Marvolo]

I know, frying pans.....

Bombs.

I do question why the guy rigged his house and yet chose a gun for the theater. There is a psychological reason behind that decision.

On another note, people seem to get hung up on guns because they are capable of killing so many. Shouldnt we be against anything that can kill even one person. What about knives? They are quite, effective, and have only loosely enforced regulations.

 

[mrvlknight21]

You have a perfectly valid point however AR-15 magazines only hold 20-30 rounds. As far as i know no manufacturer makes a 100 round magazine. Could be wrong tho. Yes a bolt action is slower but he could still kill people with it. If you are going to scream for the outlaw of a gun based on it being able to shoot 20 bullets in 20 seconds then we must outlaw the bolt action that can shoot 6 bullets in 15 seconds. Point is any gun can kill at least one person so if the real reason for outlawing guns is to save people then all guns should be outlawed. We have already shown that would do more harm than good.

Some states do have magazine capacity regulations. Every american is allowed to bear arms but there are restrictions and each state has their own regulations.

There are Beta mags (aka C-mags) that can hold 100 rounds. Ive used them before (they are fairly heavy). Also there is a 60 round Ar15 mag made by Surefire that is fairly popular now as well.

Also other rifles can shoot more quickly than bolt action, they just normally have a smaller capacity mag. Such as lever action or other semi-auto rifles (non Ar15).

 

[Darthphere]

See how stupid that sounds? Cars weren't intended to kill people, but they do. My point is there are roughly 80 million gun owners in the US and about 258 million guns owned total.

Yes, guns were designed for killing. Guns kill people. Mine are obviously broke along with 80 million others.

in the wrong hand anything can be a weapon. My point is people need to quit belly aching about guns and focus on the people who get their hands on guns.

Like I said, my guns have fired thousands of rounds and not one has ever entered a human. 80 Million can probably all say the same thing.

I actually ask you the first question you asked me. Sure I can kill people with a rock but a rock wasn't designed to kill. A gun was. There's an obvious difference you're purposefully being glib about.

 

[Kable24]

You have a perfectly valid point however AR-15 magazines only hold 20-30 rounds. As far as i know no manufacturer makes a 100 round magazine. Could be wrong tho. Yes a bolt action is slower but he could still kill people with it. If you are going to scream for the outlaw of a gun based on it being able to shoot 20 bullets in 20 seconds then we must outlaw the bolt action that can shoot 6 bullets in 15 seconds. Point is any gun can kill at least one person so if the real reason for outlawing guns is to save people then all guns should be outlawed. We have already shown that would do more harm than good.

Some states do have magazine capacity regulations. Every american is allowed to bear arms but there are restrictions and each state has their own regulations.

California has a regulation on high capacity magazines. They can't have anything over 10 rounds.

I have 20 round and 30 round magazines for my AR's. I actually prefer the 20 round to the 30.

 

[Marvolo]

Oh and the area i live in has mountain lions, coyotes, and bobcats. My guns come in handy on my property.

 

[cherokeesam]

I definitely don't want to be one to pile onto the grief their families must be feeling.... but who takes a 6 year old to a midnight showing of a movie? Or a baby, for that matter?

It's a Friday night in July, and the kids are out of school. It's a "treat" night, that LOTS of kids and families have been looking forward to for years, literally.

I couldn't see myself doing that either. It's difficult to make plans for these things when you have a child but there are much better options.

Such as....?

As the parent of a 10-year old, I can say from experience that it's damn near impossible to find a babysitter for midnight-4 am.

 

[Kable24]

I actually ask you the first question you asked me. Sure I can kill people with a rock but a rock wasn't designed to kill. A gun was. There's an obvious difference you're purposefully being glib about.

There is an obvious difference, but the point that gun owners like myself who respect the power a gun has is trying to make is that you can't hold the gun accountable.
There are many reasons where a gun is a good thing, which I stated earlier. Yet, no one wants to acknowledged that.
If people don't like guns or want one near them, then that is their right. Just as I have a right to own one. I enjoy guns. I love shooting. Why take that away from 80 million other people because every so often some idiot goes crazy and decides he needs to take it out on everyone?

That's like destroying the apple orchard because on tree got rotten apples.

 

[knowsbleed]

Once again the civilian AR15 is not a military weapon. I think people are forgetting that.

Then stop using the internet, because that was initially developed for military use.

Government use... there's a difference... but I digress.

 

[Marvolo]

There are Beta mags (aka C-mags) that can hold 100 rounds. Ive used them before (they are fairly heavy). Also there is a 60 round Ar15 mag made by Surefire that is fairly popular now as well.

Well the more i know haha. Look i agree there is no reason for a civillian to own a magazine like that. Yeah a magazine like that is more convenient but really a civillian doesnt NEED a one hundred round magazine and most cases civillians dont go for them. They are heavy and malfunction. Criminals obviously go for them for capacity and i wouldnt have anything against regulations on these huge capacity mags but 20 round mags i have no problem with. Its a good middle ground. Its not too few rounds and not too many. It allows hunters that have to walk long disgances the ability to carry fewer magazines which helps with weight.

 

[Kable24]

Government use... there's a difference... but I digress.

The Internet was first invented for military purposes, and then expanded to the purpose of communication among scientists. The invention also came about in part by the increasing need for computers in the 1960s. During the Cold War, it was essential to have communications links between military and university computers that would not be disrupted by bombs or enemy spies. In order to solve the problem, in 1968 DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) made contracts with BBN (Bolt, Beranek and Newman) to create ARPANET (Advanced Research Projects Agency Network).

Let's not get off topic which we somewhat have with the anti/pro gun debate.

 

[knowsbleed]

While I do hate the fact that this nutjob had access to unholy amounts of ammunition and weapons so easily, I think that blaming the weapons versus the person who wielded them is not entirely fair. Guns are designed to maim and destroy... the actions of the individual determine WHAT they are to maim or destroy. And if we even put that aside, is it that much different than blaming the movie that might have inspired him to commit these horrible crimes?

 

[Juicy J]

Not sure if any of you all have seen the pictures released today of him in court, but the guy arguably has the most punch able face Ive seen in a long time.
Seriously, what a ****. I hope he not only gets the death penalty but they'll actually follow through with it and wipe him off the face of the earth for good.