2014 NFL thread: Down and Dirty - Part 1

[Warhammer]

Cleveland has just rejoiced.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Not really. Hardy deserves to be judged by his peers. Holder fleeing the scene AFTER the cops got there, her refusing to attend court, hiring her third attorney, drug tests, etc.

None of that means he didn't beat her. None of that means he wasn't already convicted. She could be high, money hungry, and afraid to attend count, and still be an abused woman. The phone call from the witness is far too genuine for me to doubt he didn't do something. Especially when his sounds like he is making an excuse. None of what you wrote means this his ass shouldn't be sitting at home this weekend. They can still pay him. But of course, the Panthers have a football game to win, so that trumps all.

How come it took the Vikings a few hours to realize what the Niners and Panthers can't seem to figure out over weeks?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

20 players roughly to be reinstated

Any names yet?

 

[Donut]

No clue

 

[Donut]

Two names Reinstated Dion Jordan, Reshad Jones

 

[mkilban2]

I'm loving the fans of teams around here attempting to make a case for these players involved in domestic abuse cases. Just give it up, they all deserve to lose their jobs, including AP for abusing a child. A grown ass man has no reason to lay his hands on any woman or any child under any circumstance.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

None of that means he didn't beat her. None of that means he wasn't already convicted. She could be high, money hungry, and afraid to attend count, and still be an abused woman. The phone call from the witness is far too genuine for me to doubt he didn't do something. Especially when his sounds like he is making an excuse. None of what you wrote means this his ass shouldn't be sitting at home this weekend. They can still pay him. But of course, the Panthers have a football game to win, so that trumps all.

How come it took the Vikings a few hours to realize what the Niners and Panthers can't seem to figure out over weeks?

Jerry Richardson is an old school type of guy. Just take a look at his demands when he drafts a player. They have to pass a test with him on a personal level. He wouldn't have Hardy around the organization if he didn't believe him. The fact remains, no matter how hard the media is trying to spin the story, the evidence stacked against her isn't flattering either. It's all based on he-said, she-said. In addition, the neighbor who made the call to 911 is now refusing to testify in court and the first officer that arrived on scene found Hardy's accounts more credible.

Again, Greg deserves his day in court with his evidence too and Richardson is a fair man.

If there were footage, this would be an open and shut case like Ray Rice but the fact that Holden's claims are inconsistent and a bit hyperbolic are also worrisome.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Jerry Richardson is an old school type of guy. Just take a look at his demands when he drafts a player. They have to pass a test with him on a personal level. He wouldn't have Hardy around the organization if he didn't believe him. The fact remains, no matter how hard the media is trying to spin the story, the evidence stacked against her isn't flattering either. It's all based on he-said, she-said. In addition, the neighbor who made the call to 911 is now refusing to testify in court and the first officer that arrived on scene found Hardy's accounts more credible.

Again, Greg deserves his day in court with his evidence too and Richardson is a fair man.

If there were footage, this would be an open and shut case like Ray Rice but the fact that Holden's claims are inconsistent and a bit hyperbolic are also worrisome.

What harm is there to Hardy sitting at home this weekend, getting paid that doesn't have to do with the Panthers winning a football game?

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

So, basically what we are learning this month is that a bunch of NFL players are abusive jerks.


I thought you were suppose to ignore me?

But for the records, are you suggesting the reporters are lying? That the photos lie?

But Supernova's totally not being biased and defending Ray Rice. Nope. Definitely not.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

What harm is there to Hardy sitting at home this weekend, getting paid that doesn't have to do with the Panthers winning a football game?

There isn't. We've got depth [Addison; Ealy] but if he wants to play and he's yet to be found guilty by a jury then it's the Panthers who could end up being in court with Hardy down the road.

Even if he's found guilty, his image is likely tainted for life. Expect for Greg to sue for defamation in 2015 if he is found innocent.

 

[Donut]

Josh Gordon's season suspension will be reduced to 10 games

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There isn't. We've got depth [Addison; Ealy] but if he wants to play and he's yet to be found guilty by a jury then it's the Panthers who could end up being in court with Hardy down the road.

Even if he's found guilty, his image is likely tainted for life. Expect for Greg to sue for defamation in 2015 if he is found innocent.

For what, paying him? Oh, God.

But Supernova's totally not being biased and defending Ray Rice. Nope. Definitely not.

It's my fault he continues to say these things.

Josh Gordon's season suspension will be reduced to 10 games

Josh Gordon messed up so much, he still gets 10 games.

But Wes is back. Good for Peyton. t:

 

[mkilban2]

Josh Gordon's season suspension will be reduced to 10 games

I've read, 0, 8, 10, and a full season haha.

 

[SuperBatman]

Welker and Gordon back this weekend?

Welker will be eligable to play Gordon got Reduced to 10 games.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I've read, 0, 8, 10, and a full season haha.

Isn't that from the official NFL website? Schefter is also reporting 10 games, so I expect that to be the case.

Welker will be eligable to play Gordon got Reduced to 10 games.

Thank you.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

For what, paying him? Oh, God.

Have you ever met a lawyer?

 

[Boom]

So Gordon returns Week 11.

By then, the Browns will be four games into the divisional schedule (and one's already a loss). It softens the blow, but still sucks for Cleveland.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

HGH testing huh? We will see how serious they are about it.

Have you ever met a lawyer?

Yes. A few actually, including a couple of friends. Do you think the Vikings are gonna get sued for deactivating Peterson? And he doesn't even have a conviction yet.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So Gordon returns Week 11.

By then, the Browns will be four games into the divisional schedule (and one's already a loss). It softens the blow, but still sucks for Cleveland.

Just in time for Johnny Bench to be starting.

 

[mkilban2]

Just in time for Johnny Bench to be starting.

Johnny Clipboard*

 

[Raiden]

Welker will be eligable to play Gordon got Reduced to 10 games.

Fantasy football players rejoice!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Johnny Clipboard*

Oh, I like that much better.

Fantasy football players rejoice!

Has he been allowed to practice? If not, I'd expect him not to start, if play at all this week.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Yes. A few actually, including a couple of friends. Do you think the Vikings are gonna get sued for deactivating Peterson? And he doesn't even have a conviction yet.

Different issue. There's photographic evidence. Conveniently, Holder's lawyers refuse to release the rest of the pictures (outside her arms).

I say, unless there's overwhelming evidence to condemn, I say let the man have his day in court. Thus far, the only 'witness' to the case refuses to testify and her bruises from 'head to toe' have not been documented.

 

[W/ Great Power]

Completely agree with your assessment with Luck. I know that sometimes he can turn into a bit of a turnover machine, but I honestly think that has to do with how much he has to carry this team. I cannot wait until the organization puts a good team around Luck. But if they keep on my making stupid deals like the Trent Richardson one, that might take awhile.

I agree the Eagles will regress this season, but I also think they have the benefit of playing in a poor division. Just like my Colts really.

He most certainly carries the team sometimes. I realize he can turnover the ball quite a lot during the season, but that's primarily because he takes a lot of chances. I've noticed how he doesn't hesitate in the pocket and how tall he stands despite the pressure; that was something I saw in his rookie season and I just knew he would blossom even more.

In fact, I can recall a couple of times where he stood tall, delivered a good ball, but took a lick as a consequence. He's a tough QB.

I'm not sure if I remember your exact situation at the RB position last year, but it might have been a rash move in an attempt to make a steal. If he ended up being very successful in Indy, it would have reflected extremely well on Irsay. Basically, I can understand why they made a move for him.

That is true. For the most part however, I can see the Colts finishing at least 2nd in every division in the NFL. I can't say the same for Philly.

Does RG3 look physically right to you? Do you think that is still an issue? Same with the change in the offense again.

I can definitely see your overall point. Perhaps RG3 is in one of those situations where with one good win and start, he will be back on track. But from what I saw, he just didn't look to have it against the Texans. The Texans have a very good defense, but as you said, with your offensive weapons, Washington should have been able to muster 17 points.

So far, RG3 hasn't shown any lingering effects of recovering from his injury. It was quite evident he hadn't healed at this point last year, and even in the last couple of games before Shanahan sat him down. I'll have to see more of this offense to make a definitive analysis or comment on it yet; I'll get back to you on that around week 8.

I was listening to ESPN980 the other day and they were saying the same thing regarding RG3. The Skins ended last year on a 8 game losing streak, accompanied by the Shanahan drama that unfolded. I think it'll take at least one win before we start seeing that confidence he had back in 2012. Right now, the Skins have the longest active losing streak in the NFL (9 games).

I agree on Manuel. I don't know if he can be a true franchise QB, but he definitely looks solid. I really like what I heard about his leadership this past weekend.

And speaking of Teddy Bridgewater, do you think we will see him this season?

He's certainly not the bonafide QB that an organization would fall head over heels for from the start. He's the kind that can be groomed into something special though; you can just see it when he's out there. I'm sure he's even more motivated to prove people wrong after what happened last year.

I hope so. I honestly don't expect much from Cassel. Even despite the beating the Vikings put on the Rams last weekend, he threw only three passes longer than 10 yards (correct me if I'm wrong). I feel like they're just following through the formality of at least starting Cassel and seeing where he can take the team, as even Manziel didn't start over Hoyer in Cleveland and Jacksonville started Henne over Bortles.

There's usually a trend that comes with every draft class. We were blessed to see the likes of Luck, RG3, and Tannehill start in 2012. 2014's class is the kind that will carry their clipboards a few weeks, at least, before getting the starting nod.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Different issue. There's photographic evidence. Conveniently, Holder's lawyers refuse to release the rest of the pictures (outside her arms).

I say, unless there's overwhelming evidence to condemn, I say let the man have his day in court. Thus far, the only 'witness' to the case refuses to testify and her bruises from 'head to toe' have not been documented.

You act as if he hasn't already been convicted. Yeah, he gets a jury trial now because of the wacky law, but that is after he tried and failed in front of a judge.