3 cops dead at Baton Rouge police HQ

[DarthSkywalker]

That's what I read, as well.

Unless they were able to cover up all their communications, it shouldn't be too long before the police are able to find out who the other two horrible human beings are.

 

[Kyle]

Ah, see I'm not classifying right. I mean guns like the TEC-DC 9 which was known as the gun of choice for school shooters in the 90s among similar types of guns that mass shooters gravitate towards. Thought those were classified as machine guns because they allow for fast bursts. Those are the kinds of guns I'm unsure why they're on the market where people can readily buy them.

 

[Marvolo]

Ah, see I'm not classifying right. I mean guns like the TEC-DC 9 which was known as the gun of choice for school shooters in the 90s among similar types of guns that mass shooters gravitate towards. Thought those were classified as machine guns.

The Tec-9 is a semi-auto blowback pistol. Not a machine gun. The reason the media called them machine guns is the same reason the media is calling AR-15 assault rifles...the media doesn't know what the hell they are talking about.

Also, the AR in AR-15 stands for "Armalite rifle, design 15". The media ignorantly seem to think it means "Assault Rifle 15".

 

[Kyle]

The Tec-9 is a semi-auto blowback pistol. Not a machine gun. The reason the media called them machine guns is the same reason the media is calling AR-15 assault rifles...The media doesn't know what the he'll they are talking about.

Ah. Then guns like those. As said don't see why they would be available to the public. I don't hunt, but they don't seem like hunting type guns nor do I see their use in home protection. Just as said, I'm okay with guns being on the market. I believe there's a middle grounds. But guns like those, I don't believe they should be readily accessible to Joe public. Their only use it seems is mass shootings and that they "feel cool." Basically think there should be regulations to a degree in getting rid of the types of guns like those in regards to public accessibility to them. People can still hunt and they can still have a gun for home protection if they want it, but it limits potential mass shooters.

 

[Victarion]

They're mostly for sport, I think.

 

[Kyle]

They're mostly for sport, I think.

If, gun ranges. You can set up secure government facilities where people who want to fire them, can come and fire them. Keeping them under lock and key and largely off the streets. There's ranges today, but I mean secure ones. You set a standard that places limitations but still allowments, you save potential lives, and you create jobs in a struggling economy.

Either that or take them off the streets. It "feels cool" isn't a strong argument for allowing guns that mass shooters gravitate towards that can kill many being readily accessible.

I know shooters would opt towards other kinds of guns, but at least those aren't as powerful and can't take as many lives as the high powered ones do.

 

[Marvolo]

Ah. Then guns like those. As said don't see why they would be available to the public. I don't hunt, but they don't seem like hunting type guns nor do I see their use in home protection. Just as said, I'm okay with guns being on the market. I believe there's a middle grounds. But guns like those, I don't believe they should be readily accessible to Joe public. Their only use it seems is mass shootings and that they "feel cool." Basically think there should be regulations to a degree in getting rid of the types of guns like those in regards to public accessibility to them. People can still hunt and they can still have a gun for home protection if they want it, but it limits potential mass shooters.

So you want them to get rid of them because they look different?

Both of these guns:

...are semi auto, both can use high capacity magazines, both can use accessories, both are incredibly dangerous. Don't be that person that thinks because a gun looks like a military weapon that is somehow more dangerous. That's an uninformed view to have about all this.

And yes AR-15 style guns are used for hunting, because they have less recoil, and are easier to handle which makes them more effective and can make them more accurate for some shooters. And they are more durable.

Also, semi auto handguns are used in far more shootings in the U.S. than these rifles you are so scared of.

With 2 handguns and extended mags a person can kill as many people as quickly as they could with an AR-15. With an old school rifle a person can perch on a roof and drop as many people as they could with an AR-15. So, no, outlawing these useful modern rifles because they look different won't stop mass shootings. People will just use another type of rifle or handgun that's equally capable of killing people.

 

[Kyle]

Then basically only allow rifles that take a while to reload for hunting as well as regular pistols with no accessories that can make them any more dangerous than that. Guns that take a while to reload and holds very little ammo, somebody can more easily charge and stop that person. I may not hunt, by from films I get the general impression that it's mostly a waiting game of lining up a shot so I don't see that group arguing a lot about only being allowed guns that hold few ammo rounds and takes a while to reload. At least that way, some power is at least given back to the people. You make it harder for the shooter and a lot more easier for literally anyone to stop him - there'd be fewer casualties because the odds are largely stacked against them.

I don't think it's possible to outlaw and ban completely, which I would like. But I do think it's possible to outlaw any and all guns and accessories that can easily kill a lot of people.

I should note not saying get rid of guns. Tactical teams, government operatives, military, etc. should have them - there, they serve a purpose. Regular people should not.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Then basically only allow rifles that take a while to reload for hunting as well as regular pistols with no accessories that can make them any more dangerous than that. Guns that take a while to reload and holds very little ammo, somebody can more easily charge and stop that person. I may not hunt, by from films I get the general impression that it's mostly a waiting game of lining up a shot so I don't see that group arguing a lot about only being allowed guns that hold few ammo rounds and takes a while to reload. At least that way, some power is at least given back to the people. You make it harder for the shooter and a lot more easier for literally anyone to stop him - there'd be fewer casualties because the odds are largely stacked against them.

I don't think it's possible to outlaw and ban completely, which I would like. But I do think it's possible to outlaw any and all guns and accessories that can easily kill a lot of people.

I should note not saying get rid of guns. Tactical teams, government operatives, military, etc. should have them - there, they serve a purpose. Regular people should not.

So basically you want every gun to be either a muzzleloader or flintlock pistol? That's really the only way you can get firing rates on modern weapons down to the level you want.

 

[Kyle]

So basically you want every gun to be either a muzzleloader or flintlock pistol? That's really the only way you can get firing rates on modern weapons down to the level you want.

I think. The post reads as a second language to me. But potentially, yes. Also just guns available to the public. Have no problem with the guns that exist today, as said they're useful for government safety, tactical, and military operations but I don't think they have any real use beyond that. When there are alternatives that allow safety for homes and although I loathe hunting allow hunters to do their thing - don't see why anything more than that should be accessible. The needs and lives of the many far outweigh the wants of a few especially when you can permit some allowances that couldn't be used for killing many. I don't see any reason for any high powered gun to be out there for Joe public to get.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Such a damned shame...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They will never see one another again. These are the moments people rob from others when they do these things.

 

[Lencho01]

Just a few days ago...

The Near Certainty of Anti-Police Violence

 

[chamber-music]

That's the Fox News party line, is it not?

White perpetrator: "Lone wolf"
Black perpetrator: "Your community owes this country an apology"

Got to stir that pot for the ratings

 

[AnneFan]

These events are just way too common now. It's a reminder that life is too short to worry about small things. We're here for a good time, not a long time.

 

[Sithborg]

I feel bad for my brother. As these things happen, the pressure for him to get off patrol is going to increase from family. And he loves patrol. He loves his job.

 

[Muze]

Another black military vet. Something is amiss.

not really. you somewhat need training to be an effective spreekiller/domestic terrorist. the military will happily train anyone who meets their physical requirements to kill.

 

[Muze]

That would be idiotic on behalf of the hypothetical perps for a couple of reasons:

1. That's how you start on the road to a more militarized police force
2. That's possibly how you get yourself a Trump presidency.

I might be looking ahead more than any hypothetical perps though.

1. which makes it easier to recruit like-minded cop killers

2. which makes the first goal even easier

we just saw this in Europe. hide among refugee population. kill locals. foment xenophobia. recruit.

 

[Muze]

at any rate, I feel for the victims' families. in an ideal world, this stuff would never happen. and I fear for other innocent people, in the area. my mother's from baton rouge. my extended family's still there. that puts them in the line of fire of these morons.

 

[DeadPresident]

Another black military vet. Something is amiss.

Makes complete sense IMO, some vets come back from tours unable to assimilate into society again, coupled with the prejudice black America faces and the economic plight the country is in you've got a pretty good cocktail for someone to go off the deep end. Not to mention this guy had just come back from an African vacation/sabbatical, there seems to be an influx of black nationalism lately, which this dude espoused enthusiastically.

Social media is also a really toxic platform where people have echo chambers of unhealthy ideologies that can just get buoyed up until someone decides to act.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

not really. you somewhat need training to be an effective spreekiller/domestic terrorist. the military will happily train anyone who meets their physical requirements to kill.

While this guy was a Marine, this guy was not really a guy who's seen a lot of frontline action; he was a data network specialist who spent more time in non-war zones than actual war zones.

 

[Warhammer]

Makes complete sense IMO, some vets come back from tours unable to assimilate into society again, coupled with the prejudice black America faces and the economic plight the country is in you've got a pretty good cocktail for someone to go off the deep end. Not to mention this guy had just come back from an African vacation/sabbatical, there seems to be an influx of black nationalism lately, which this dude espoused enthusiastically.

Social media is also a really toxic platform where people have echo chambers of unhealthy ideologies that can just get buoyed up until someone decides to act.

This is a great post.

 

[JimThompson]

While this guy was a Marine, this guy was not really a guy who's seen a lot of frontline action; he was a data network specialist who spent more time in non-war zones than actual war zones.

I fear this is a distinction that will be lost on most. Quite a lot of people really do not have any basic understanding of their military forces.

 

[Muze]

I fear this is a distinction that will be lost on most. Quite a lot of people really do not have any basic understanding of their military forces.

they don't teach data network specialists how to use a firearm? I'm asking, honestly. my only experience with the military was ROTC class in college. a lot of people took the class because we got to go to a gun range.

 

[JimThompson]

they don't teach data network specialists how to use a firearm? I'm asking, honestly. my only experience with the military was ROTC class in college. a lot of people took the class because we got to go to a gun range.

They get basic rifle marksmanship training when they go to basic and have to requalify on their rifle once a year. Typically, that is the extent of that speciality's weapon training.