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9/11 1973 Pinochet started his dictatorship

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Today isn't only the anniversary of the terrorists attacks against the twin towers.

Local Chileans remember their own Sept. 11 tragedy
Mark day democracy overthrown by Pinochet in 1973

Pair plans celebration to recall better times under Allende
Sep. 11, 2006. 01:00 AM
NICHOLAS KEUNG
IMMIGRATION/DIVERSITY REPORTER


Alex Ciudad's memories of Sept. 11 have less to do with the collapse of New York's twin towers, or even his own birth on that date 44 years ago, than with the day democracy died in his beloved Chile.
"Sept. 11 brings many different things to different people, and for many Chileans, our Sept. 11 happened in 1973," says the Toronto resident, who came here from Santiago via Venezuela in 1990.
On that day, Gen. Augusto Pinochet deposed the democratically elected socialist president Salvador Allende in a violent overthrow, opening an era of dictatorship in which opponents were routinely jailed, tortured and executed. At least 3,000 people are known to have been killed, and 27,000 were incarcerated or disappeared under the regime between 1973 and 1990.
While those horrible years are something many Chileans try to put behind them, Ciudad feels it's important to bring his own piece of history to the multicultural fabric of his adopted home.
But instead of a sad commemoration, he and others plan a celebration tonight to remember far better times: the 1,000 miraculous days of democracy under Allende.
Chilean Canadians will host a potluck party at the Concord Café, near Bloor St. and Ossington Ave., with the support of artists, poets and musicians from other Latin American communities who have experienced their share of political turmoil in their homelands.
"Salvador Allende's government offered a range of social programs, offering free education, milk and access to university, to children of peasants and those working in factories. He believed education could improve poor people's lives," says Ciudad, a former chemist who now works in a cabinet-making factory in Toronto.
"We want to restore his dignity. For me, he symbolizes what democracy is all about. It's important that we learn to share our history so it doesn't repeat in Canada or anywhere else."
An unlikely supporter is Helmut Sabando, whose father, a marine sergeant, served for a decade under the Pinochet junta, up until his unexplained death in 1982.
Sabando, 44, who came to Canada with his family from Valparaiso in 1998, feels shame about his family history and says he rarely discusses it, even with his 15-year-old son, Dayan.
"What Allende accomplished in a thousand days had not or would not have been done in Chile in a hundred years," says Sabando, a musician who will play "He (Allende) Was the Light," a song he wrote and dedicated for this evening.
"I can still feel it in my blood that my father was partially responsible for what the dictatorship did to the people," he adds. "I was glad with my father's death, in a way, because he was finally freed from (doing) more wrongs for the dictatorship."
Pinochet was indicted by Spain, arrested and released by the British government and eventually prosecuted by Chile.
"Yes, our Sept. 11 happened a long time ago, at a far distance from us in Canada, but stories of humanity are the same everywhere," says Sabando.
 
I never liked him.

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F'ing liar.
 
Chili. Allende. Pinochet. 30,000 innocent men, women and children MURDERED.

Thousands more raped and tortured.

All because the American government decided that a facist dictatorship was more profitable at the time than a socialist democracy.

Put aside September 11th, 2001, for a moment. Forget yourself. September 11th, 1973, was more important. The day America became the worst terrorist nation on Earth. Harsh, I know, but true. :o
 
And then the ignorant American masses ask: "Why do they hate us?"

WHY DO THEY HATE US?!

If you didn't have such a pathetically short memory, you wouldn't have to ask, you'd know.
 
***** Galore said:
I wasnt alive in 1973.

Doesn't matter. If you're an American, you're carrying the weight of your country's past actions, just as Germany is still carrying the weight of Hitler and the Nazi Party, and France is still carrying the weight of it's surrender.

America was a hero, over 60 years ago. It helped save the world from a fascist dictatorship.

Then it became a corporate war machine fueled by greed and oil. And now it's apparently becoming a fascist dictatorship itself.

MILLIONS of innocent people have perished due to your actions, regardless of what your justifications may have been.

It's a basic principle of the Universe that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. America has been stretching the rubber band of karma for decades now, MILLIONS scream out from beyond the grave for vengeance, their friends and family members who are still alive remember very well what happened, what you did to them.

It seems obvious to me that the rubber band is gonna snap soon, and, predictably, the ignorant American masses will then cry out: "Why? Why did this happen to us? Why do people hate us so much?"

Get a clue.
 
***** Galore said:
I'd rather be ignorant than insane.

You think that I'm insane because you don't understand what I'm talking about, because you're naive and ignorant of past history and of how the world works. Read a good quality history book, little boy (or girl, whatever). :rolleyes: :o
 
TheSumOfGod said:
You think that I'm insane because you don't understand what I'm talking about, because you're naive and ignorant of past history and of how the world works. Read a good quality history book, little boy (or girl, whatever). :rolleyes: :o

I think youre insane because how ****ing closeminded you are. Yeah, some of the things you spit out could quite possibly be true (in some parallel world) but the way you go about it is "ignorant". You cant force people to believe something. And just because you believe it's true doesnt mean it's true.

So stop acting like youre above everyone. Reality check, youre not.
 
***** Galore said:
I think youre insane because how ****ing closeminded you are. Yeah, some of the things you spit out could quite possibly be true (in some parallel world) but the way you go about it is "ignorant". You cant force people to believe something. And just because you believe it's true doesnt mean it's true.

So stop acting like youre above everyone. Reality check, youre not.

What the f*** are you talking about?

There's nothing to "believe" here, these are HISTORICAL FACTS.

What happened in Chili in 1973 is a FACT.

What America has done over and over again practically everywhere throughout the world is a FACT.

The principle that you just can't keep going around, imposing your will upon others, overthrowing democratically elected governments, killing thousands of innocent people, profiting from other nations' misery, without there eventually being some violent reaction from the rest of the world is also irrefutable.

All empires and wannabe-empires inevitably fall.

America has it coming, big time. It's not my fault that you're completely ignorant of this.
 
TSOG is right....there was nothing mentioned in his post that has anything to do with any conspiracy theories...therefore nothing to "believe". It's factual historical refrenecing.

actually reminds me of someone always abusing their dog..then is shocked when the dog bites him.
 
^Precisely. Nice to know that there are still some people on this site gifted with intelligence and objectivity.
 
TheSumOfGod said:
What the f*** are you talking about?

There's nothing to "believe" here, these are HISTORICAL FACTS.

What happened in Chili in 1973 is a FACT.

What America has done over and over again practically everywhere throughout the world is a FACT.

The principle that you just can't keep going around, imposing your will upon others, overthrowing democratically elected governments, killing thousands of innocent people, profiting from other nations' misery, without there eventually being some violent reaction from the rest of the world is also irrefutable.

All empires and wannabe-empires inevitably fall.

America has it coming, big time. It's not my fault that you're completely ignorant of this.

Not this thread, I was talking about in general.
 
thesumofgod made a lonely exit....

no one saw his thread... except maybe me.
 
Wilhelm-Scream said:
It's been hard to adjust in a Post 9/11/73 - World. :KatieCouric:

How old are you?

because that post sounds very stupid.
 
TheSumOfGod was right in everything he said.
 
Gonking said:
How old are you?

because that post sounds very stupid.
Hahaha, still sore about how I made a fool of you yesterday, eh? :(

'cause you made the mistake of using words without bothering to learn their correct definitions....:csad:

(I'm 2 shades of sad for you.)
 

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