A song of ice and fire = Jon Snow & Dany?

[XtremelyBaneful]

Well, proves Cat wrong by honoring the "legitimate" Stark family and therefore her line of Stark kids.

Jon proves Cat wrong but when does Jon honor her in particular

Just that GoT isn't a typical epic fantasy story and we could well get something other than the happy ending or satisfying victory (with important characters getting on in the way we might want) that usually happens in them.


Yep.

GRRM said that the ending will be LOTR-style bittersweet, so it'll be satisfying at a cost. I have a prediction for how it will end.

 

[DACrowe]

Jon proves Cat wrong but when does Jon honor her in particular


GRRM said that the ending will be LOTR-style bittersweet, so it'll be satisfying at a cost. I have a prediction for how it will end.

I am recalibrating my predictions on the end after the latest episode. It will be closer to LOTR than I expected now. Although, I think there will be more bitter than Tolkien gave in his story.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I am recalibrating my predictions on the end after the latest episode. It will be closer to LOTR than I expected now. Although, I think there will be more bitter than Tolkien gave in his story.

As I understand it, Tolkein's books were more bitter than the movies. My predictions for the end game haven't changed.

 

[DACrowe]

As I understand it, Tolkein's books were more bitter than the movies. My predictions for the end game haven't changed.

Let's just say my previous impression was a lot more characters would die, and even the ones who lived wouldn't be really "happy." Like when you read about "reconstruction" periods after war, it is just people forced to muddle through somehow. Only Frodo had that in the LOTR books, really. And the film too.

But given what they are [blackout]foreshadowing with Jon and Dany[/blackout] I am expecting a much more traditional happy ending with some caveats, which is kind of how I view Lord of the Rings. Everyone got a happy ending except Frodo, and his then was not exactly tragic, just melancholy with a rainbow breaking through in the distance, if you know what I mean.

 

[Legendver2]

Anyone like to share their ending predictions?

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Let's just say my previous impression was a lot more characters would die, and even the ones who lived wouldn't be really "happy." Like when you read about "reconstruction" periods after war, it is just people forced to muddle through somehow. Only Frodo had that in the LOTR books, really. And the film too.

But given what they are [blackout]foreshadowing with Jon and Dany[/blackout] I am expecting a much more traditional happy ending with some caveats, which is kind of how I view Lord of the Rings. Everyone got a happy ending except Frodo, and his then was not exactly tragic, just melancholy with a rainbow breaking through in the distance, if you know what I mean.

This foreshadowing with Jon and Dany and with Dany emphasizing that the dragons are her "children" I really think she will get pregnant and give birth to Jon's child but she won't live long enough to be a mother to a human and will die soon after childbirth. That'll be the bittersweet ending, as my prediction.

 

[Legendver2]

This foreshadowing with Jon and Dany and with Dany emphasizing that the dragons are her "children" I really think she will get pregnant and give birth to Jon's child but she won't live long enough to be a mother to a human and will die soon after childbirth. That'll be the bittersweet ending, as my prediction.

They should definitely wed though, so the child won't be a bastard. Dany having a human child but dying is bittersweet. Jon having a legitimate child who will grow up motherless is a good bittersweet match for the former. They both get what they want, with a cost.

 

[Black Narcissus]

 

[Iceman]

GRRM said that the ending will be LOTR-style bittersweet, so it'll be satisfying at a cost. I have a prediction for how it will end.

Makes sense. Will be interesting to see who survives till the very end.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Is there a video of this full interview? Seems dope.

 

[marvelrobbins]

right now i have 3 predictions how got could end and no i don't think jon & Dany will live happily ever after.

1"Jon has to sacrifice his life to defeat the night king.dany takes throne of what is left and is pregnet with jon's baby and mourns him
2any ends up sacrifing herself to defeat the night King.Jon is left at end to lead what is left.
3:Both Jon and dany together sacrifice their lives to stop the night king.Tyrion
is left to help lead what is left.

 

[DACrowe]

Anyone like to share their ending predictions?

This foreshadowing with Jon and Dany and with Dany emphasizing that the dragons are her "children" I really think she will get pregnant and give birth to Jon's child but she won't live long enough to be a mother to a human and will die soon after childbirth. That'll be the bittersweet ending, as my prediction.

Sure. And the only thing I dislike worse than Jon and Dany having a child, which I agree is going to happen but way too storybook after its been setup that she can't have kids, is the idea of her dying in childbirth. Star Wars did that and it was lame then too.

My guess is that Jon and Dany do have a child, but Jon isn't the one to see it. I write this because I can't see Jon happy in King's Landing (too much Ned in him) and I can't see him going the full Aragorn. I used to think he'd never marry Dany, but they are foreshadowing that way too much now. So I suspect you are right they have a child, but Jon dies not in the final battle with White Walkers but in the after battle with Cersei's forces ambushing the survivors of the war with the Dead. This leads to Jaime and Dany joining forces against Cersei.

Jon dying makes sense to me, because again I don't see him in King's Landing, plus he has seemed like he's been on borrowed time since his resurrection, anyway.

Daenerys will have a child who, like Jon, will not know his father. I suspect she will do away with bastard names, and set up a line of succession that includes a simplistic and arcane form of democracy. [blackout]Tyrion was hinting at something like that in "Beyond the Wall."[/blackout] Tyrion will have a hand in whatever that is.

Jaime and Brienne will have the "happy ending" of running off together. Bran will go be the Three-Eyed Raven Beyond the Wall, and Sansa will get to rule Winterfell. But it'll be bittersweet, because she gets what she wants but her family will be gone at this point. Bran leaves, Jon dies, and Arya... well I'm not sure what they'll do with Arya.

More or less my predictions.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Arya dede.

 

[RoastBeast]

Avuncular marriage, and Arya lives to be the enforcer for whoever is still alive.

 

[Loki882]

And Jamie, should he survive, becomes the protector of the new ruler (if it ends up being Dany, then that'd be a great irony given that he killed her dad).

 

[scarlet-witch]

I think the entire idea of Jon/Dany is a couple is cringy, as well as them having a child, but I don't deny that's probably what is going to happen.

I've always predicted Dany dying a hero's death. I liked the theory of her going a bit mad, then having an epiphany and sacrificing herself, but I think the show at least won't do that. I see Jon as king at the end.

 

[Iceman]

Having them as a couple is ok to me in this crazy GoT universe. Not sure I want to think about how the baby was created though.

 

[Loki882]

At this point, I actually think that Jon dying would be more surprising to people. There seems to be this feeling of "well GOT likes to subvert tropes, so Dany will probably die." Whereas with Jon, it's "well they already killed him off once and then brought him back, so surely they wouldn't do it again?"

So Jon dying for realsies this time would probably take more people by surprise.

 

[DACrowe]

I think the entire idea of Jon/Dany is a couple is cringy, as well as them having a child, but I don't deny that's probably what is going to happen.

I've always predicted Dany dying a hero's death. I liked the theory of her going a bit mad, then having an epiphany and sacrificing herself, but I think the show at least won't do that. I see Jon as king at the end.

See, Jon dying a hero's death makes more sense to me. He already seemed kind of disappointed to be resurrected, and clearly doesn't have much of knack for ruling. I think he'd be as lousy a King (like a real, southern one during peacetime) as Ned was the Hand.

Daenerys being pulled back from that by Jon and ruling after he is gone makes sense. Child is optional. I hope they don't go that way because it is way too soap opera for my tastes. But yeah, they probably will, at least on the show.

But I do agree that it ending with them both ruling, happily and together, is cringe inducing. It is also out of character for this series.

 

[Iceman]

GoT Twist would be the WW's win and a reanimated Joffrey gets back on the throne.

 

[Legendver2]

Bittersweet to me is always getting what you want, but not in the way you intended or wanted to happen. The main thing with Jon is he doesn't want a bastard. So if he and Dany does indeed have a child, I see them being married, so the child would be legitimate, but s/he will grow up either without a mother or a father. I kinda see all of Dany's dragons dying by the end to give way to a human child.

 

[righthooksrus86]

Spoiler

That extra long hand hold with the added thumb rubbing in the boat scene is confirmation we're gonna see them doing the nasty pretty soon.

 

[Drizzle]

GoT Twist would be the WW's win and a reanimated Joffrey gets back on the throne.

Hah, good thing that little bastard's corpse got incinerated when the Sept of Baelor blew up.

Seriously, though, I'm still bracing myself to see an undead Hodor. I just have a hard time believing the Night King would see someone that big and strong and not recruit him for his army.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

They should definitely wed though, so the child won't be a bastard. Dany having a human child but dying is bittersweet. Jon having a legitimate child who will grow up motherless is a good bittersweet match for the former. They both get what they want, with a cost.

Word, I agree with everything you said. They should definitely get married before the season is over. I really hope Missandei, Davos, Tyrion or even Varys just suggests it to one of them. It's the reason she broke up with Daario.

Sure. And the only thing I dislike worse than Jon and Dany having a child, which I agree is going to happen but way too storybook after its been setup that she can't have kids, is the idea of her dying in childbirth. Star Wars did that and it was lame then too.

My guess is that Jon and Dany do have a child, but Jon isn't the one to see it. I write this because I can't see Jon happy in King's Landing (too much Ned in him) and I can't see him going the full Aragorn. I used to think he'd never marry Dany, but they are foreshadowing that way too much now. So I suspect you are right they have a child, but Jon dies not in the final battle with White Walkers but in the after battle with Cersei's forces ambushing the survivors of the war with the Dead. This leads to Jaime and Dany joining forces against Cersei.

Jon dying makes sense to me, because again I don't see him in King's Landing, plus he has seemed like he's been on borrowed time since his resurrection, anyway.

Daenerys will have a child who, like Jon, will not know his father. I suspect she will do away with bastard names, and set up a line of succession that includes a simplistic and arcane form of democracy. [blackout]Tyrion was hinting at something like that in "Beyond the Wall."[/blackout] Tyrion will have a hand in whatever that is.

Jaime and Brienne will have the "happy ending" of running off together. Bran will go be the Three-Eyed Raven Beyond the Wall, and Sansa will get to rule Winterfell. But it'll be bittersweet, because she gets what she wants but her family will be gone at this point. Bran leaves, Jon dies, and Arya... well I'm not sure what they'll do with Arya.

More or less my predictions.

I definitely do think one of them will die, I don't think they both will raise the child happily ever after the child will have to grow up either motherless or fatherless. It'd be really bold to have the child be an orphan but I think it's more likely Dany will be the one to die because she's always regretted not being able to have a human baby and always wanted the iron throne; Jon on the other hand never wanted the iron throne or to be king in the north or to be lord commander of the night's watch yet he has the most claim to the throne and will end up getting it even though he doesn't want it.

and he has to raise his kid alone with no one to love again. But yours is fair game too. Just as long as Dany is impregnated and gives birth to the last Targaryen.

(this also means the incest is put to a stop unless Dany has twins...and I'd hate if they foreshadowed that the Targaryen twins turn into the next Jaime/Cersei

I think the entire idea of Jon/Dany is a couple is cringy, as well as them having a child, but I don't deny that's probably what is going to happen.

I've always predicted Dany dying a hero's death. I liked the theory of her going a bit mad, then having an epiphany and sacrificing herself, but I think the show at least won't do that. I see Jon as king at the end.

Why is it so cringy? I love it.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Makes sense. Will be interesting to see who survives till the very end.

one thing for sure I don't think anymore Starks will die.

When King Robert got to Winterfell, he touches Ned, Cat, Rickon & Robb. They all die.

He tells Sansa she's a pretty one, who eventually has to wed an evil prince and then an evil Northern lord.

He asks Arya what her name is, Arya trains to become no one.

He tells Bran he'll be a soldier, Bran ends up a cripple.

So since he didn't touch any of them I don't think they will die.