Accidental shooting kills one on set of new Alec Baldwin movie

https://www.thewrap.com/rust-armorer-inexperience-hannah-gutierrez-fired-nicolas-cage-film/

Stu Brumbaugh, who served as key grip on the Cage Western “The Old Way” this summer, told TheWrap that Gutierrez upset both Cage and other crew members on the Montana production by failing to follow basic gun safety protocols like announcing the arrival and usage of weapons onto the set.

After firing a gun near the cast and crew for a second time in three days without warning, Brumbaugh said that Cage yelled at her, “Make an announcement, you just blew my f—ing eardrums out!” before walking off set in a rage. “I told the AD, ‘She needs to be let go,’” Brumbaugh, adding, “After the second round I was pissed off. We were moving too fast. She’s a rookie.”
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KillerMcQueen said:
This is the weak point of further tightening rules, they only help if they're followed, with the rules that currently exist everything already should've been perfectly safe. I'm not against tighter rules, but I doubt they would've prevented this from happening. This was not a result of safety guidelines being lacking, it was a result of them being blatantly ignored and intentionally violated by the crew. Every single crew member that decided to load live rounds into the guns and go shooting for fun should face criminal charges. Even then, how the hell did this get past the AD? How did those guns not get thoroughly inspected before filming? So many things had to go wrong for this to happen.
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I suppose the rationale is as follows…

It takes two components to make a gun deadly: the gun, itself, and real/live rounds. Since working guns are a reality on movie sets, prohibiting live rounds represented the failsafe. But in this case, the failsafe failed. (Additionally, there are safety issues even with blank rounds.) So do it the other way around. Prohibit real guns and replace with replica “air guns.” Therefore, the presence of any live rounds on set becomes irrelevant (since they don’t work/fit in the replicas).

As noted, this solution would affect realism and verisimilitude to some extent. No “smoke,” no “flame,” no shell casings ejected and little-to-no physical recoil. (CGI to the rescue?) And as also noted, this would be a fix for a problem that is exceedingly rare.
 
PunyGod said:
The industry already clamped down after Brandon Lee. The problem with rules is that they only work when you follow them...
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Well, obviously. You can say that about any rule or law or protocol.

You're not supposed to drive dangerously. You don't do away with cars because some people do. A little perspective here: Lee was 1993. The only other instances of this I've heard of since are a couple of music videos overseas over the years. All-in-all this is incredibly rare, all you can do is toughen the laws/protocols and really throw the book at both these people and anyone else ****ing around playing loose with the rules going forward.

Got no problem with these TV productions that have announced they're going to just do everything CG from now on. That's fine, if that's their choice go for it. Not sure you can reasonably, like, say "hey Chris Nolan, Steven Spielberg, Bay, whoever - you no longer get to use blanks on a movie going forward, as a matter of law". That's the tempting knee-jerk overstep.

Training, training, training. Impartial supervision. A way for crew members to safely/anonymously taddle-tale on their bosses if they're not following the (written/official, they need to be from here on) rules. That's what this is. Not sure when it's something that hasn't happened stateside in 28 years you need to come down on anyone and everyone, most of whom have been doing the right thing. If a producer/director chooses to do it all CG, that's obviously a whole other story, good for them. But yeah, most of these armorers & safety guys know what they're doing, and guarantee they're even more p*ssed about these clowns here than most of us are.

She's some 24 year old kid who wasn't doing her job in the most basic of ways and had major previous complaints. That doesn't apply across-the-board. Obviousl she should have been seen to before this, shown the door from anything resembling this type of job. But again, that's "oversight and regulations", not all-out bans for everyone.
 
Dr. said:
As noted, this solution would affect realism and verisimilitude to some extent. No “smoke,” no “flame,” no shell casings ejected and little-to-no physical recoil. (CGI to the rescue?) And as also noted, this would be a fix for a problem that is exceedingly rare.
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If real firing weapons were banned on set, I'd bet convincing non-firing versions would appear in no time at all. It's not hard to make something that simulates a kick, or a puff of smoke etc. You could probably mess with actual guns to achieve this.
 
500 bullets were found on set. I suppose they could have been using those to put realistic gunshot damage into sets and props under very controlled circumstances. But with them using ammunition for recreational shooting it paints a bad picture.
 
Marvolo said:
500 bullets were found on set. I suppose they could have been using those to put realistic gunshot damage into sets and props under very controlled circumstances. But with them using ammunition for recreational shooting it paints a bad picture.
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It seems to be a mixture. The problem of having real bullets mixed in with dummy and blanks is a big, big issue.

And I see that they have recovered the "lead projectile" that killed the cinemetographer. So, likely a realy bullet. jfc
 
Every new account just seems to add to the confusion. I have no doubt though that they will get to the bottom of this.
 
You can have standards though. These are human beings. Especially out with kids? It becomes Ace in the Hole. You don’t always have to give in to the lowest common denominator.
 
Surprised Baldwin was happy to be interviewed without one. It's not about perceived guilt or not, it's about the perilous position.
 
"Crew Member Tasked with Keeping Track of Inventory Didn't Keep Track of Inventory"

She...could've just not made that public.
 
Pennywise said:
‘Rust’ Armorer Says She Had “No Idea Where The Live Rounds Came From – Deadline
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In the early days of this tragedy, it seems there was some confusing reporting that perhaps arose from the use of technical lingo. For example, the gun was supposedly (presumed to be) unloaded. Hence, the AD announced “cold gun.” But this calls into question how he could have mistaken a weapon loaded (with blanks) with an empty one. Now, however, folks are talking like the gun was supposed to be loaded with inert dummy bullets (not sure why if this was only a rehearsal). And since such bullets can’t fire at all, perhaps loading them into a gun still meets the definition of “cold.” I.e., the AD saw “normal looking” bullets and assumed they were dummies because… live rounds are forbidden on set…?


:shrug: :ebr:
 
DarkKnight88 said:
I know people want to find the one culprit in this, but I think at this point we’re seeing there’s simply not “one” person to blame but many people who weren’t paying attention and thus caused a chain of events.
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Ditto. When the investigation is concluded everyone found to have played a contributory criminal and/or negligent part in the events that led to this should be prosecuted as fully as the law allows. Sending a message is important here for the sake of future lives.
 
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