Accidental shooting kills one on set of new Alec Baldwin movie

JubJub86 said:
Jesus. Between the "it was actually a for-really-reals bullet and not a malfunctioning blank/squib" thing and the crew walkout beforehand over safety (specifically *gun* safety?!), this is only getting more nuts.

Not sure if it was confirmed, but saw something on a news scroll last night about the armorer not being union, or not officially qualified or whatever. Not sure how that even happens, even on some little indie.

I don't know that banning prop guns/blanks across the board is necessarily warranted though, even with this. With people that know what they're doing, I'm sure it's fine. Problem seems to be more "this armorer/safety guy didn't, horrible **** ensues". More regulation's definitely required though, some more formal/rigid accreditation/credential system before they let you perform the job.

Digital stuff basically always looks digital, I'm sure there are directors out there that are going to prefer to do it practical in-camera. Which I think is fine, fair enough. Considering even how awful this and Lee were, I guess in the scheme of things it's pretty damn rare given how many productions Hollywood pumps out yearly and we've had...two incidents. They're sure as hell going to have to start crawling up these peoples' asses with a microscope though, make sure they're legit and are following protocols to the letter.

And yeah, was thinking Baldwin might actually be in some personal crap over this after all, in light of recent information? Not criminal of course, cops seem satisfied it was accidental and he wasn't just waving it around being an irresponsible d*ck. Just more like...he's still a pretty huge A-lister even if he isn't what he used to be, surely he held a bunch of sway over this production, whether he was producing or not. Like...they said this same weapon had malfunctioned earlier - he'd know about that, right? He'd be aware of the walkouts over safety, yadda yadda. Guy would still have the power/influence even now to put his foot down, demand safety stuff be looked at a second time, maybe replacing people who weren't up to the job, whatever the case may be.

Not going to go as far as laying blame on him overall, of course it's the armorer's job to make sure that thing's safe. But I guess if Baldwin was aware a bunch of crew members had major safety concerns and he just shrugged it off without taking a stand, you'd figure he's open to some sort of action.
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At the time, they were filming in Mexico.
The Armorer was a local.
 
Baldwin was most likely producer in name only. There are 12 producers on such a small project which normally means they were handing out producer’s credit as extra incentives for bigger talent to get involved and/or invest.
 
Sounds like the props manager is the one who's liable for this than Alec, but this was so shocking when I saw it on my phone.
 
weezerspider said:
Baldwin was most likely producer in name only. There are 12 producers on such a small project which normally means they were handing out producer’s credit as extra incentives for bigger talent to get involved and/or invest.
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Yeah, but, for the rest of his life, when we see a story with Baldwins name attached, this incident will be cited.
Somebody Died.
For Baldwin, legal consequences or not, this is Never truly going to go away.
 
I hope that it all works out for Baldwin.
Time will tell.
Another question is, will we see a greater emphasis on gun safety on sets, LONG TERM?
 
Mysteryman said:
I hope that it all works out for Baldwin.
Time will tell.
Another question is, will we see a greater emphasis on gun safety on sets, LONG TERM?
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Everything thing I've seen from people with knowledge with the industry is that the prop people take safety very, very seriously. This is an outlier, with some extreme negligence.
 
Mysteryman said:
Yeah, but, for the rest of his life, when we see a story with Baldwins name attached, this incident will be cited.
Somebody Died.
For Baldwin, legal consequences or not, this is Never truly going to go away.
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I mean sure, I just think it’s really irresponsible for people to respond to people saying “don’t blame him” with “he was a producer”. We know literally nothing.
 
A nice twitter thread about how things should be run.


Also helped me with how a blank would be able to injury two people. It it was an actual bullet? Someone needs to be in jail.
 
Detective Conan said:
'Rust' crew members 'didn't feel safe' prior to Alec Baldwin shooting. There were 2 accidental discharges on set last week, report says.
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Just absolutely insane, they had two incidents that should've shocked them into replacing the problem crewmembers with people that will actually competently follow safety guidelines, and instead they stuck with the crew they had and continued to trust them, despite the fact that the armorer didn't even trust herself. I still can't fully wrap my head around an actual live round making it into a gun without anyone realizing, did it somehow get mixed in with dummy cartridges or something? This should not have happened, this was not an accident, it was pure negligence. Anyone who knew about the previous incidents and was in a position to do something about it but didn't do anything needs to answer for this.
 
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Sounds like there's going to be plenty here for the investigators to get to grips with.
 
This is the classic case of ******* bosses wanting to cut corners to save a few bucks and using in-experienced crew members and not caring about unsafe conditions. Hopefully there are repercussions to come out of this. I wonder if the family of the cinematographer is going to sue.
 
Not surprisingly, the media are interviewing various movie prop masters and weapons masters (“armorers”). And to hear them tell it, there are multiple protections and fail-safes involved with gun handling. Therefore, even if one (or more) of these safeguards fails, others inevitably catch the problem. The main protection seems to be the prohibition of live rounds on set. So assuming this is followed, it wouldn’t matter that an inexperienced armorer accidently loaded a gun with blanks (instead of leaving it empty — a so-called “cold gun”). It wouldn’t matter that an AD absentmindedly grabbed the blank-loaded “hot gun” (rather than the “cold”). It wouldn’t matter that the AD didn’t inspect the gun to confirm it was unloaded/”cold.” (BTW, why’s the AD handling guns at all?) It wouldn’t matter that Baldwin didn’t inspect the weapon himself. And it wouldn’t matter that Baldwin’s aim was reckless. Without a live round, the likelihood of an injurious outcome (let alone a fatal one) is miniscule.

The investigation is ongoing. But at this point, culpability seems to be pointing towards the weapons master. Under what circumstances did she allow (or fail to notice) live rounds on set? :shrug:
 
Were those previous accidental discharges while the union workers were still on the project? The way it’s worded, it’s implying they walked because it kept happening but wouldn’t there have been a more experienced and unionized armorer when those incidents happened?
 
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