ACORN: The Official Thread

This supporter of McCain's isn't the one running for President.

Nor is Bill Ayers voting for President.

Also, if you're so obtuse that 'being on the board with someone' is the only association you care to consider that Obama has had with Ayers, then you should just come out and say 'no matter what, I'm voting Obama' and be done with it.

Well I am voting Obama. But what secret association did Obama have with Ayers that he hasn't revealed. He had his political "coming out" in Ayers' home...which was arranged by someone else, not Obama or Ayers. He worked on a board with Ayers, who was appointed to the board by a supporter of McCain. They lived in the same neighborhood....woohoo. Obama has never expressed support of Ayers' actions forty years ago. In fact, he has condemned them and violent protests in general. There is no evidence that Obama and Ayers are close personal friends, or that their association goes beyond a professional acquaintanceship...which is much less than can be said for Palin's familial connections to a party which wants to secede from the United States.
 
Why don't you stop making accusations that hold no merit whatsoever. I'm tired of Democrats claiming Republicans 'purged votes' when no evidence of any kind can be provided. There were major problems with voter machines, but there's never been ANY evidence provided by ANYONE showing that the GOP or Republicans were behind it.

And, no, I'm not talking about liberal bloggers making the claim, either...

Hey, I have an idea, lazur. Prove to me how any of these incidents of voter registration fraud will translate to actual voter fraud? You are the ultimate hypocrite so you have absolutely no room to talk.
 
And in case my point completely flew over your head, lazur... you have less proof right now that a.) actual voter fraud has been committed (yes there is a huge difference between voter fraud and voter registration fraud), and b.) that Barrack Obama is actually responsible for it than the proof against the GOP committing voter fraud in Florida in 2000, and in Ohio in 2004. And that's not even including voter suppression. If you can say straight faced that there is no evidence that the GOP committed voter fraud in those elections, then I call you a hypocrite in this case because there isn't even evidence that actual voter fraud has occurred yet, let alone that Obama is responsible for it.
 
And in case my point completely flew over your head, lazur... you have less proof right now that a.) actual voter fraud has been committed (yes there is a huge difference between voter fraud and voter registration fraud), and b.) that Barrack Obama is actually responsible for it than the proof against the GOP committing voter fraud in Florida in 2000, and in Ohio in 2004. And that's not even including voter suppression. If you can say straight faced that there is no evidence that the GOP committed voter fraud in those elections, then I call you a hypocrite in this case because there isn't even evidence that actual voter fraud has occurred yet, let alone that Obama is responsible for it.
Sorry...maybe I missed it. Is the thought that Obama is planning voter fraud?....Based on what actual evidence???
 
Sorry...maybe I missed it. Is the thought that Obama is planning voter fraud?....Based on what actual evidence???

It is being suggested that Obama and ACORN are both responsible for the voter fraud scandal currently in Indiana because the Obama campaign and ACORN worked together in the PRIMARIES. There is no link, so far as I know, between the two camps in the general election. It's another one of those 'guilt by association' things that only seems to apply to non-republicans. :whatever:
I'll leave it to your good judgement as to WHO is suggesting such a link.




(That said, voter fraud on either side of the aisle is wrong.)
 
[YT]DRhrT22BsIY[/YT]On ACORN and voting fraud care of CNN. :o

ANYWAYS.... about the whole financial crisis connection. I think that is a bigger problem....Anyone discussing it??? :csad:
 
Let's assume that I was a person who uses dirty tricks to sway an election. I would think that making an organization for my opponent and then doing blatantly illegal activity seems like a tactic I would pursue. Not that it is what happened here, but I feel that someone could easily control this situation to gain favor for them.

It does remind me of Rush Limbaugh and his Operation Chaos where he swayed his sheep like following into voting in the Democratic primaries.
 
It is being suggested that Obama and ACORN are both responsible for the voter fraud scandal currently in Indiana because the Obama campaign and ACORN worked together in the PRIMARIES. There is no link, so far as I know, between the two camps in the general election. It's another one of those 'guilt by association' things that only seems to apply to non-republicans. :whatever:
I'll leave it to your good judgement as to WHO is suggesting such a link.




(That said, voter fraud on either side of the aisle is wrong.)

Well, it's more than that. People seem unable to make the distinction between voter fraud and voter registration fraud. Those names that are proven to be fake will be flagged and if they attempt to vote on November 4th they will be convicted of a felony. Ontop of that, a lot of the fake names turned in were obvious fakes (Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, etc.) so it's working under the assumption that people working at polling places would be dumb enough to let Mickey Mouse vote. The fact of the matter is that actual cases of voter fraud are rare. There are so many safeguards in place that actual cases of voter fraud are rare, and practically non-existent in modern elections. There have been no prosecutable cases of voter fraud in recent history. And why? Because it simply does not make sense. As I mentioned earlier, there is no guarantee that the people you pay to vote for Obama will do so because of the secret ballot. On top of that, given the risks involved, it's a hard sell in the first place... especially given the attention on those falsified voter registration forms by ACORN. Those flagged names will be watched with an amazing amount of scrutiny and the second any of those names show up to a polling place on election day they will be carted off by the police. It's simply not going to happen.
 
Actually, Ive heard lots of rumblings about absentee ballots being sent to people who didnt ask for them, and they are then asked to return the forms to ACORN, not the actual government office...once the votes are in ACORNS hands, there will surely be tampering.

There really isnt any room to defend ACORN here.
 
Actually, Ive heard lots of rumblings about absentee ballots being sent to people who didnt ask for them, and they are then asked to return the forms to ACORN, not the actual government office...once the votes are in ACORNS hands, there will surely be tampering.

There really isnt any room to defend ACORN here.

With the attention currently being given to ACORN I'd say no. And I don't believe I defended ACORN's policies here. I just personally think the GOP is looking for a scapegoat if they lose the election. I will state this again, there have been no prosecutable cases of voter fraud in this country in recent history. Until actual evidence comes forth of voter fraud this is nothing more than heresy and speculation.

And there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for the registration fraud. I've mentioned this at least 2 times in this thread and absolutely noone has responded. ACORN employees are paid by commission meaning that the more people their employees register, the more they get paid. Second, by law no voter registration form can be thrown away. I'm not saying ACORN is completely blameless in this matter, but until you can provide proof that actual voter fraud has occurred the only problem here has to do with ACORN's hiring policy.
 

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Busted...
 
Anyone else worried about the actions of ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now)? Its an organization that has long had ties to Obama and there are already allegation of ACORN recruiting voters to register multiple voting cards - a man interviewed said he registered 15 times with the encouragement of the organization.

ACORN is targeting vital swing states as well, even as it is being raided and investigated for voter fraud.

While I think at this point Obama will win no matter what ACORN does, this crisis is incredibly distressing.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/acornproject_vote_voting_drive.html

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/mccain_voter_fraud/2008/09/22/133361.html

http://www.kmbc.com/politics/10214492/detail.html

Nah, a few hundred there vs a serious percentage of the votes in Election Frauad (vs Voter fraud) that we've seen the last two elections.
 
This ACORN drama is really pissing me off. In 2004 there were 36 different ways the GOP benefited from the election in Ohio alone.

People forced to stand in lines for 2.5 (some other states had to wait 15) hours in Columbus, OH...on a work day. ALL of whom were poor and black. There were fake flyers (and phone calls) sent out specifically to urban voters stating that Republicans voted on the 2nd of Nov. (election day Tuesday), while Democrats and Independents voted on the 3rd (obviously falsified information). Many urban polling locations had broken, missing and or too few machines. Cars were towed away as people waited to vote or while voting; pre-punched ballots, re-drawn precincts.

Voters purged from roll, most of whom were black/Hispanic and poor. Poll observers banned from polls.

All this with RECORD turnouts. This is Jim Crow. All this made it increasingly hard for people to vote, most were democrats.

There's a good book that lists all the problems: What Happened in Ohio?

http://www.amazon.com/What-Happened-Ohio-Documentary-Election/dp/1595580697

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61930-2005Jan9.html

There's a great documentary that all you Comcast subscribers can watch for free. Its called Uncounted. Go to On Demand >> Free Movies >> Independent.

And now we have Blackboxes to worry about:

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Judge: GOP's voter purge a 'violation of federal law'

The American Civil Liberties Union is trumpeting a judge's decision in Michigan which brings to a halt the practice of eliminating voters from rolls if their mailing address is found to be invalid.

Recently, the GOP chairman in Macomb County, Michigan, detailed a plan to use a list of foreclosed homes to challenge voters. His pronouncement drew an immediate backlash, with predictions that the plan would "backfire."

It has.

The suit, filed by ACLU national and ACLU of Michigan, along with the Advancement Project, aimed to protect voters whose registration cards were returned to government offices by post as 'undeliverable.' Judge Stephen J. Murphy of the U.S. District Court of Michigan's Eastern District concluded that the program of eliminating these voters from rolls is in violation of federal law.

The voter purge program, better known to elections integrity experts as 'voter caging,' is a long-storied GOP tactic employed against minority, student and low-income voters. In September, the Obama campaign filed a lawsuit in Michigan challenging the illegal tactic.

"You essentially send a first-class letter to a hoursehold where you suspect that that person no longer lives there but where they're still registered to vote," explained Allen Raymond, a convicted GOP elections fraudster who spent time in prison after the discovery of a phone-jamming scheme during the 2002 elections. "That letter comes back. ... Somebody [at the local polling place] then challenges that vote if that person comes in to vote."

"This is a very significant ruling for Michigan voters," said Matthew Lund, the ACLU cooperating attorney and a partner at Pepper Hamilton LLP who argued the case, in a release. "The court recognized – and repeated several times – that the state of Michigan is conducting unlawful voter purges that clearly violate the National Voter Registration Act. Michigan voters who were removed from the voting rolls for no reason other than failure to receive their ID card in the mail will now be allowed to vote in November.”

"More than 1,400 voters in that category have been disqualified so far in 2008," reports the Associated Press. "The judge says it's unclear how many cancellations actually are wrong but it's a violation of federal law. Murphy says those people shouldn't be prevented from voting if they can produce more proof of residency at the polls."

"This program has a very detrimental impact in minority, low-income and student communities across Michigan," claims an ACLU advisory. "These communities tend to be more transient and to live in multi-family housing."

“This is a major victory for Michigan voters and the integrity of our democratic process,” said Meredith Bell-Platts, staff counsel with the ACLU Voting Rights Project, in a release. “Today’s decision brings us one step closer to restoring confidence in a electoral system that has been poisoned by illegal disfranchisement policies. As a result of the judge’s decision, fewer Michigan voters will be illegally purged and wrongly disfranchised – and that’s good for everyone.”

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/GOP_voter_purge_declared_illegal_in_1013.html
 
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/a_lifetime_ago_sen_john.php

Sen. McCain Stood With ACORN Rally In 2006

13 Oct 2008 09:28 pm
A goldfish's lifetime ago, Sen. John McCain was happy to accept the honors and acclamation of the Service Employees International Union, People for the American Way, UNITE HERE -- and ACORN. Here he is, on Feb. 20, 2006, telling immigration rights activists at a rally in Miami that they "are what makes America special." ACORN co-sponsored the rally, and its volunteers surround McCain, and while there's no evidence that McCain ever formally teamed with the group, the video serves as a reminder that he did not mind being associated with them when the politics of the moment were different. (The video clip was e-mailed to this column by a Democrat who supports Barack Obama.)



It's important to know, as you watch this, that ACORN was, to Republican field operatives, a Dirty Word in 2006...and in 2004, but general awareness among politicians and activists of what it does was limited to those who had to deal with its voter registration efforts. See here. (A clue: they were part of the America Coming Together consortium in 2004...that should have been a clue as to their ideological leanings.)

A few weeks ago, House Republicans screamed bloody murder when it appeared as if ACORN would benefit from the bailout bill, although McCain, President Bush and House Republicans have supported legislation with similar provisions before and they spent billions on the Road Home project, which contracts with ACORN to help provide housing for Katrina refugees. (You can't say...ah, but ACORN wasn't suspected of doing anything bad earlier... you can't say that because ACORN has been doing what ACORN is accused of doing for several cycles now.)

In 2008, of course, ACORN has become a stand-in not only for the registration fraud allegations, but also for the coincident insinuations that Sen. Obama and his liberal allies are trying to steal the election in battleground states. Indeed, because "ACORN" has become a national political issue, it will be hard for Republicans to use it as a political wedge issue. Once an attack is associated with a party, it doesn't become an attack; it becomes part of party dogma and can service only party activists.

McCain had no trouble fraternizing with ACORN in 2006 when their political interests coincided with his. Now, his campaign is writing e-mails in his name bashing ACORN as a tool of the Obama machine.

"We need your help to ensure a fair and honest election. Already we have seen nationwide voter registration fraud by ACORN - a group closely linked to Barack Obama," one e-mail from "The McCain Legal Team" says.


Oh, John. Tsk.

jag
 
Being... a terrorist? :huh:

*cue overly dramatic scream of horror*

'OBAMA'S A TERRORIST!?!?!?!?!!'

Has that been confirmed yet? I thought it was still hearsay at this point... :cwink:
 
*cue overly dramatic scream of horror*

'OBAMA'S A TERRORIST!?!?!?!?!!'

Has that been confirmed yet? I thought it was still hearsay at this point... :cwink:

Um, have you seen the picture?

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I think this is damning :o
 
Um, have you seen the picture?

I think this is damning :o

*cue overly dramatic scream of horror*

OH MY GOSH!!!! THERE ARE NO OBVIOUS SIGNS OF PHOTOSHOPPING!! IT MUST BE TRUE!!!

*runs out of the thread screaming*

:cwink::funny:
 

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