ACORN: The Official Thread

The streets of all the major cities in the United States will fill with literally dozens of Obama supporters rioting because of their collective bewilderment at the fact that a severely inexperienced candidate with absolutely no leadership history and tax and spend desires has lost. They will scream about a faulty election system and how the election was stolen and eventually they will go back home to their parents basements completely disillusioned that their American dream of doing nothing while having the salaries of the actual work force taxed and split amongst them has disappeared. They may try to organize a protest march on the capitol, but those plans will fall through due to so many of them unwilling to get off of mom and dad's couch to attend.

Oh you mean like what happened when Republicans suppressed voters in 2000 and 2004? For the record ACORN is required BY LAW to turn in every single voter registration form regardless of whether or not it's fake. When pressure is put on ACORN branches to register a certain amount of voters and you have employees paid by commission for every voter they register how is anyone shocked this happened? Don't get me wrong, it's ACORN and their policies that are at fault but you guys are making a mountain out of a molehill. It's not voter fraud until people actually vote. Voter registration fraud is a misdemeanor, voter fraud is a felony. There is quite a big difference.

As for Obama's connections to said organization, first off, he never worked for said organization like people are making it out to sound. When he was an attorney he represented them ONCE, and won that case I might add. The money he gave to ACORN was during the primaries, and it was for the purpose of registering new voters, but short of that the connections end there. All this ACORN talk is doing is giving people a scapegoat when Obama wins in November.
 
They will scream about a faulty election system and how the election was stolen

Like it was in 2000 and 2004?

their American dream of doing nothing while having the salaries of the actual work force taxed and split amongst them has disappeared

Are you talking about Obama followers or the Bush family?
 
Schlosser85 lets get back on topic for ACORN, Voter Fraud and YOU!
 
A partisan propagandizing troll is hardly going to tell me what to do.

There is no evidence that Obama is complicit in this attempt at voter fraud, nor that it was a concerted effort by ACORN workers, particularly since every invalid signature is in the same handwriting.
 
Schlosser85 lets get back on topic for ACORN, Voter Fraud and YOU!

Errr...YOU are the one who spouted out this bit of off-topic drivel in the first place:

The streets of all the major cities in the United States will fill with literally dozens of Obama supporters rioting because of their collective bewilderment at the fact that a severely inexperienced candidate with absolutely no leadership history and tax and spend desires has lost. They will scream about a faulty election system and how the election was stolen and eventually they will go back home to their parents basements completely disillusioned that their American dream of doing nothing while having the salaries of the actual work force taxed and split amongst them has disappeared. They may try to organize a protest march on the capitol, but those plans will fall through due to so many of them unwilling to get off of mom and dad's couch to attend.

Tell me, please, because I have to know...did you INTEND for your username to be an oxymoron?

jag
 
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Let me explain this to you as perfectly as crystal clear as I can. ACORN, Voter Fraud and YOU! I discussed YOU! in the topic.
 
Let me explain this to you as perfectly as crystal clear as I can. ACORN, Voter Fraud and YOU! I discussed YOU! in the topic.

LMAO! Seriously? That's your justification for posting that *********orial fantasy of Obama losing the election and your hated "liberals" rioting in the streets? :lmao:

jag
 
:huh::huh::huh:

What the hell, I am confused.

I posted that video to show some of the connections between Obama + pleasing interest group + interest groups contribution to financial crisis (past and future). To be honest, I am not too focused on the voter fraud.
 
Schlosser85 lets get back on topic for ACORN, Voter Fraud and YOU!

Or how about you respond to peoples' posts instead of ignoring them when someone brings up a valid point?
 
:huh::huh::huh:

What the hell, I am confused.

I posted that video to show some of the connections between Obama + pleasing interest group + interest groups contribution to financial crisis (past and future). To be honest, I am not too focused on the voter fraud.

The answer is "four".

jag
 
I'am sorry my friends that you don't understand. But I responded to the title of the post which is "ACORN, Voter Fraud and YOU!" This is my last post to this thread due to arguments.
 
I'am sorry my friends that you don't understand. But I responded to the title of the post which is "ACORN, Voter Fraud and YOU!" This is my last post to this thread due to arguments.

Buh-bye.
 
I'am sorry my friends that you don't understand. But I responded to the title of the post which is "ACORN, Voter Fraud and YOU!" This is my last post to this thread due to arguments.

Senator McCain?? :wow:
 
I'am sorry my friends that you don't understand. But I responded to the title of the post which is "ACORN, Voter Fraud and YOU!" This is my last post to this thread due to arguments.

Arguments don't work this way. Using the "You don't understand" card doesn't work when you don't have a valid counter-argument. It just makes people think you don't know what you are talking about. At any rate, ignoring other people when they say something you don't agree with you, and then say that you are simply not going to post in said thread instead of responding is not a very good way to get people around these parts to take you seriously.
 
Arguments don't work this way. Using the "You don't understand" card doesn't work when you don't have a valid counter-argument. It just makes people think you don't know what you are talking about. At any rate, ignoring other people when they say something you don't agree with you, and then say that you are simply not going to post in said thread instead of responding is not a very good way to get people around these parts to take you seriously.

That sounds familiar. McCain said the same thing to Obama in the first debate. Coincidence?
 
That sounds familiar. McCain said the same thing to Obama in the first debate. Coincidence?

Given that Thinkton has repeatedly used the phrase "My friends" I'm starting to think McCain is trolling the Superhero Hype! boards.

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This whole ACORN fraud situation is the fraud. Republicans are purging votes illegally in 19 states and there isn't a word about it in the news.

How McCain Will Steal the Election from Obama (Sort Of)

Imagine an election where one of the participants calls foul. Investigations are launched or at least called for. Prosecutors raise the specter of charges, the U.S. attorney and FBI get involved. No voter fraud is ever actually found. But by the time that conclusion is reached, the myth has been solidified both to soothe the loser's supporters and condemn the winner.

Sound familiar? Sound like the recent ACORN scandal?

Well, actually I'm talking about the 1960 election between John F. Kennedy and Richard M. Nixon. That Nixon was cheated out of a win is the stuff of legend on the Right. The allegations say that Kennedy loyalists fixed the vote counts in Illinois and Texas--swinging 51 electoral votes and a majority in the Electoral College to Kennedy. In more hyperbolic versions there is alleged involvement by the mob, the Teamsters Union or legendary Chicago mayor Richard Daley.

The story goes on that Nixon, "for the good of the country," conceded honorably and exited the scene. No matter that Nixon was later chased out of the White House for cheating in an election. The myth endures.

This whole story--maybe to be replayed with Obama playing Kennedy and McCain playing Nixon--is a canard. It is a fable. A lie made up by the conservative movement to hold together their fraying coalition.

In 2008 the stakes are bigger than they've ever been before for conservatives and the canard is that much more important to them.

In the case of Obama the conservative movement is lining up a serious of story elements. They are:

• Obama was a community organizer.
• ACORN, a group that does community organizing, has committed voter fraud.
• Obama is from Chicago.
• You know what happens in elections in Chicago. Remember the 1960 election.

The story is half true and half lies. As we all know, Barack Obama is from Chicago and was a community organizer. Those are the only true parts of the conservative story. But the other two facts are myths: the 1960 election wasn't stolen (says the conclusion of recounts and investigations in 1960 and numerous academic studies since). And, ACORN has not committed voter fraud. Not one bit.

The facts about ACORN are worth getting out. ACORN is an organization that, among other things, registers low-income people to vote. One of the ways they do this is to hire door-to-door canvassers from the neighborhoods they are working in. This sort of work is tightly regulated. So, when one of the thousands of people they give jobs to doesn't do their work right and brings back bogus or phony voter registration cards, the law REQUIRES that ACORN turn the forms in to the voter registration office. The law, rightly, doesn't want anybody throwing out voter registration forms for any reason.

But ACORN goes a step farther. They have people assigned to do quality control on all the cards--calling people on the forms after they fill them out. When they find bad information on the cards they attach a cover sheet to the card but, as mentioned above, they turn in the cards as required by law. The effect is that a few bad canvassers or a poorly run office will mean that bad cards are submitted as part of the normal process. But ACORN has done everything possible to make sure voting officials know to check the forms.

The sad fact is that in at least one state--Nevada--the voting officials disregarded ACORN's cover sheets flagging the voter registration forms. That should have never happened. The resulting blowup was a scandal in search of a scandal.

The stunning con of this whole thing is the assumption that bad voter registration cards being submitted will lead to vote fraud. If somebody submits a card for Mickey Mouse it isn't like Mr. Mouse is going to show up to vote. There is no voter fraud if nobody votes.

But the big story here is what the Right is doing. Their attacks on ACORN open up the door for two things.

First, the ACORN myth allows the Republicans to do more purging of the voter rolls--the process of removing people from the voter rolls because of arbitrary anomalies in the voter registration databases. Richard L Hasen, author of the Election Law Blog and a distinguished law professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles recently wrote, "Careless purging--driven by unsubstantiated fears about voter fraud--can lead to many eligible voters being incorrectly removed from the polls." Already in Ohio the Republican Party is pushing for more purging and they found a federal judge who agreed citing ACORN's activities.

Second, in the event that campaigning, purging and intimidating voters doesn't work, the Right is creating a myth like they did in 1960. They are creating the myth of a stolen election. Conservatives plan to claim that ACORN and Barack Obama stole the election. Their hope is to steal the legitimacy of what is looking like a massive repudiation of Bush, conservatives and the Republican Party. The Right plans to steal the election by trying to steal the legitimate defeat of them by progressive forces.

And why wouldn't they? The entire Republican coalition could be shattered with this election. White suburban voters who once voted Republican on tax issues are running away from Republicans on a host of issues--including taxes. Independent are looking more and more like Democratic voters. Barack Obama may even win a majority of male voters. All of them are joining with urban votes, voters of color, young people, working class union members and others to form a long-term governing majority for progressives--a progressive majority.

Conservatives are scared of a progressive majority. And they're going to lie, cheat and steal to prevent it from happening. But they can only be successful if we let them.

The best way to deflate the conservative fable is to win with an overwhelming landslide that guarantees there won't be a dispute of the results.

We also need to confront the Republican vote purging and suppression. Already big efforts by the Obama campaign, the DNC and independent groups are working on this. Progressives and Democrats are united in this effort.

But we also need to make sure the ACORN canard doesn't get to live in daylight. It is time to circle the wagons and make sure John McCain and the Right can't steal the election...even if we win.

For progressives, the ball is in our court.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-matzzie/how-mccain-will-steal-the_b_133989.html
 
Oh you mean like what happened when Republicans suppressed voters in 2000 and 2004? For the record ACORN is required BY LAW to turn in every single voter registration form regardless of whether or not it's fake. When pressure is put on ACORN branches to register a certain amount of voters and you have employees paid by commission for every voter they register how is anyone shocked this happened? Don't get me wrong, it's ACORN and their policies that are at fault but you guys are making a mountain out of a molehill. It's not voter fraud until people actually vote. Voter registration fraud is a misdemeanor, voter fraud is a felony. There is quite a big difference.

As for Obama's connections to said organization, first off, he never worked for said organization like people are making it out to sound. When he was an attorney he represented them ONCE, and won that case I might add. The money he gave to ACORN was during the primaries, and it was for the purpose of registering new voters, but short of that the connections end there. All this ACORN talk is doing is giving people a scapegoat when Obama wins in November.

Why don't you stop making accusations that hold no merit whatsoever. I'm tired of Democrats claiming Republicans 'purged votes' when no evidence of any kind can be provided. There were major problems with voter machines, but there's never been ANY evidence provided by ANYONE showing that the GOP or Republicans were behind it.

And, no, I'm not talking about liberal bloggers making the claim, either...
 
Why don't you stop making accusations that hold no merit whatsoever. I'm tired of Democrats claiming Republicans 'purged votes' when no evidence of any kind can be provided. There were major problems with voter machines, but there's never been ANY evidence provided by ANYONE showing that the GOP or Republicans were behind it.

And, no, I'm not talking about liberal bloggers making the claim, either...

You first. :dry:
 
Soooo anyone going to talk about Obama's and ACORN's co-endorsements on certain agendas and the whole financial crisis bit. I think that is probably a biiiiig problem if it continues. Voting fraud - it happens once for this election.... but more of the same that caused the crisis... no cool.
 
Soooo anyone going to talk about Obama's and ACORN's co-endorsements on certain agendas and the whole financial crisis bit. I think that is probably a biiiiig problem if it continues. Voting fraud - it happens once for this election.... but more of the same that caused the crisis... no cool.

There are only a few here who want to talk about the relevant concerns of the day surrounding Obama, so good luck!
 
There are only a few here who want to talk about the relevant concerns of the day surrounding Obama, so good luck!

Like being on the same board with someone who blew some stuff up forty years ago, and was appointed to that board by a supporter of McCain?

Like doing drugs when he was in school?

Like a comment his wife made?
 
Like being on the same board with someone who blew some stuff up forty years ago, and was appointed to that board by a supporter of McCain?

Like doing drugs when he was in school?

I guess doing coke isn't a huge deal unless your name is GW, and then it's fair game.

Like a comment his wife made?

I don't care who votes for whom. This supporter of McCain's isn't the one running for President. Also, if you're so obtuse that 'being on the board with someone' is the only association you care to consider that Obama has had with Ayers, then you should just come out and say 'no matter what, I'm voting Obama' and be done with it.
 
I don't care who votes for whom. This supporter of McCain's isn't the one running for President. Also, if you're so obtuse that 'being on the board with someone' is the only association you care to consider that Obama has had with Ayers, then you should just come out and say 'no matter what, I'm voting Obama' and be done with it.

The hypocrisy of the situation seems to go over your head completely.

We're supposed to buy into 'guilt by association' because Obama was on the same board as Ayers, but we can't apply that same logic to McCain, because the guy that ran that board is a McCain suppoter? A welcomed McCain supporter, I might add.

Instead of welcoming this republican, why didn't McCain say "you served on the same board as a terrorist - take your endorsement and shove it".

You lose, lazur.
 

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