ACORN: The Official Thread

Being opposed to someone doesn't automatically mean you're in the opposing party. For me, there's not a lot to like about Obama, and only some things to like about McCain. Neither is the ideal candidate, but I'm not ready to vote for a guy who's hellbent on turning our country socialist.

So did vote Bush who dramatically increased the size and power of the government in the past 8 years? Bush supported the bailout and he is a republican, is he a socialist?
 
Has this been posted?

She has a point.:o

Opinion
Cynthia Tucker
ACORN HUBBUB IS LATEST EXAMPLE OF REPUBLICAN FEARMONGERING

If Mickey Mouse shows up at the polls in a couple of weeks, John McCain might have cause for the alarm he showed over alleged voter fraud during Wednesday's debate. If Minnie and Goofy also turn up with state-sponsored photo ID, then the Justice Department and the FBI will need to turn their attention away from terrorism, bank robberies and billion-dollar financial scams to investigate fake voters.

But it's quite unlikely that Mickey or Minnie or Goofy will be among the voters lined up on Nov. 4. So McCain's hysterical outburst over a group of activists -- ACORN, he said, "may be destroying the fabric of democracy" -- needs to be understood for what it is: a distraction. The Republican nominee is once again using fear as a tactic to try to win votes.

In the waning days of the presidential campaign, Republicans have made ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, their bete noire. Known for its activism on behalf of the poor, ACORN has long been an object of Republican disdain.

During this election season, ACORN has conducted a registration campaign, hiring workers to sign up new voters. Some workers have decided to fake it, filling in names such as "Mickey Mouse" instead of those of eligible voters. (According to ACORN's leaders, they discovered the fake names and notified authorities. They've also fired workers caught engaged in illegal activities.)

Still, the fake registrations have driven Republicans around the bend. They've been exaggerating voter fraud for decades, and the prospect of losing the Oval Office and congressional seats has them scurrying for excuses. If Democrats win big in this cycle, look for more GOP nuttiness about ACORN and voter fraud.

Fake voters are a myth, a convenient cover for those who really don't believe in the universal franchise. (ACORN has been accused of fraudulent registrations; for actual voter fraud to occur, persons with those fake names would have to show up to cast ballots.) There is no evidence of people coming to the polls using false names and fraudulent IDs.

Ever since the civil rights movement inspired large numbers of black and brown Americans to exercise their right to vote, Republicans have been engaged in efforts to keep them away from the ballot box. Way back in the 1960s, Arizona Republican William Rehnquist -- then a GOP activist, later the chief justice of the United States -- was accused of intimidating Latinos to try to keep them away from the polls. Many Republicans fought the "motor voter" laws, passed during the '90s, that allowed state driver's license bureaus to also register voters. Ease of access encourages less-affluent Americans to vote, and Republicans fear that too many Democratic-leaning voters are in that demographic group.

The GOP might have chosen to appeal to the interests of black and brown voters to lure them into its coalition. Instead, Republican strategists such as the late Lee Atwater perfected the so-called Southern strategy, using racially charged innuendo to appeal to white voters resentful of the civil rights movement. That has kept black voters alienated from the Republican Party. George W. Bush tried to appeal to Latinos with an enlightened push for broad immigration reform, but the narrow-minded Republican base revolted against the measure. That left Latino voters disaffected. With America growing browner, the base of the Republican Party will continue to dwindle.

As the GOP panics over its shrinking base, the smooth cover it has used to justify voter suppression has begun to crumble, revealing its ugly tactics for all to see. Just last week, Georgia Republican Eric Johnson, a state legislator, threatened to end early voting, calling it a "mistake."

Georgia Republicans used to champion early voting because it was convenient for well-educated voters, especially in the GOP-leaning suburbs. But this year, black Georgians have accounted for nearly 40 percent of the early votes, a sign of the excitement over Barack Obama's historic candidacy. Now, Johnson sees early voting as "a 30-day period of time when, if your goal is to undermine democracy, you've got 30 days to do it instead of one."

Don't be fooled. Neither McCain nor Johnson is concerned about democracy. They're worried about Democrats.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucas/200810...armongering;_ylt=Av3Y0cDKPPVbaRSxivSoLAL9wxIF




Now if Palin votes, Would that be the same thing as Goofy voting? :o :hehe:

Great article. :up:

jag
 
Hey lazur, if Obama is a socialist, does that mean Canada is a socialist nation? If so, why is Canda's banking system better then the US' (Canada's banks aren't failing). So is Canada an evil socalist nation and should the US launch Operation Canadian Freedom soon?
 
Mi Republicans admit to ILLEGAL foreclosure scheme.

MI Republicans Admit to Illegal Foreclosure Scheme, “Surrender” to Democrats

Democrats and Republicans have settled the suit seeking to prevent Michigan Republicans from using foreclosure lists to challenge voters. The MDP statement on the settlement says:

An agreement announced today by Obama for America, the Republican National Committee, the Democratic National Committee, the Michigan Republican Party, the Michigan Democratic Party, the Macomb County Republican Party, the Macomb County Democratic Party, and plaintiffs Duane Maletski, Sharon Lopez, and Frances M. Zick protects the voting rights of foreclosure victims. The settlement acknowledges the existence of an illegal scheme by the Republicans to use mortgage foreclosure lists to deny foreclosure victims their right to vote. This settlement has the force of law behind it and ensures that Republicans cannot disenfranchise families facing foreclosure. [my emphasis]

In their reply to the joint motions to dismiss from the Republicans, the Democrats reminded that 6th Circuit precedent grants discovery before a suit like this can be dismissed on the jurisdictional grounds the Republicans had cited in their motions.

Under controlling Sixth Circuit precedent, when jurisdictional challenges raise questions of fact that are intertwined with merits questions, the proper course is denial of the motion to dismiss, conduct of discovery in the ordinary course, and consideration of the issues at the appropriate time on summary judgment. And because none of the Defendants has answered an interrogatory or produced a document in response to the Court-ordered discovery on jurisdictional issues, controlling precedent bars the Court from granting their motions. The rule is simple: When a defendant introduces evidence of its own related to the merits, it cannot block the plaintiff from conducting full discovery and still prevail.

I'm guessing--though this is an outtamyarse guess--that the Republicans weighed their options, thought discovery was sufficiently likely (and sufficiently damaging) that they chose, instead, to settle. And in return, the Democrats get to affirm that, indeed, Republicans were planning on using foreclosure lists to challenge voters.

Here's Michigan Democratic Party Chair Mark Brewer on the settlement:

Today's settlement protects the voting rights of all Michigan citizens and guarantees that Republicans cannot use foreclosure lists to deny or challenge anyone's right to vote. It is no surprise the Republicans back pedaled when their illegal scheme was revealed, and their surrender today ensures that Republicans cannot take advantage of the economic crisis to deny anyone's voting rights. The agreement is a win for Michigan families ready to vote for change, and we will continue to aggressively protect everyone's right to vote. [my emphasis]

I like that word, used in conjunction with Republican schemes: "surrender." I'm hoping we'll get to hear more of it in the near future.

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2...al-foreclosure-scheme-surrender-to-democrats/
 
Democrats, Chicago politics, and voter fraud. Seems familiar.:cwink:
 
^^ Then I'd advise you to read some of the other articles posted in this thread about the GOP, Voter fraud, arrests, and admittance to voter fraud and illegal tactics. Which seems a little more familiar than what happened in Chicago 60 years ago.
 
Actually there are allegations of voter fraud in Chicago every election. It's what the Daley political machine is known for. I'm sure Republicans have their own stuff as well. But Chicago seems to be a special case in this department.
 
Actually there are allegations of voter fraud in Chicago every election. It's what the Daley political machine is known for. I'm sure Republicans have their own stuff as well. But Chicago seems to be a special case in this department.

They're called the Bushes and the right-wing, just on a , y'know, national scale!
 
So, has word gotten to here about McCain's connection to ACTUAL voter fraud?
 
So, has word gotten to here about McCain's connection to ACTUAL voter fraud?

Oh yeah. Both Marx and myself posted about it a few pages back. One of the people in connection to the registration fraud was arrested about five minutes away from me. How was it actual voter fraud though? My understanding was that the person that was arrested locally was registering people as Republicans by telling them they were signing a petition for stricter laws against child molesters. I was under the impression that was still only voter registration fraud. Or are we talking about something completely different?
 
I thought that same guy had setup a fake California address to vote twice... guess I heard wrong then.
 
I thought that same guy had setup a fake California address to vote twice... guess I heard wrong then.

Actually, no. You are completely right. I forgot about that part. Yep, that's voter fraud.
 
ACORN just seems to be getting ripped off by "name for pay" workers who sign up Mickey Mouse because they want more money for less work. And isn't it a crime to get rid of those 'registrations'?

And this other guy actually is committing acts of voter registration fraud and has on one occasion committed voter fraud.


So, McCain had funded this guy? Or what?
 
ACORN just seems to be getting ripped off by "name for pay" workers who sign up Mickey Mouse because they want more money for less work. And isn't it a crime to get rid of those 'registrations'?

And this other guy actually is committing acts of voter registration fraud and has on one occasion committed voter fraud.


So, McCain had funded this guy? Or what?

The way I understand it the McCain campaign payed the owner of this organization to register new voters. So yeah, technically he did the same exact thing that Obama did, the only difference is McCain did it during the general election whereas Obama did it during the primary.
 
The way I understand it the McCain campaign payed the owner of this organization to register new voters. So yeah, technically he did the same exact thing that Obama did, the only difference is McCain did it during the general election whereas Obama did it during the primary.

Ooooh...busted! John McCain is threatening to compromise the very fabric of our democracy with these actions! :grin:

jag
 
Not to mention that the CA GOP party did the same thing locally in 2006. For all the flack about ACORN I find it hilarious that people seem unwilling to acknowledge that not only do Republicans make the same mistakes with registration fraud as Democrats, but they have just as long, if not a longer history of doing it.
 
Not to mention that the CA GOP party did the same thing locally in 2006. For all the flack about ACORN I find it hilarious that people seem unwilling to acknowledge that not only do Republicans make the same mistakes with registration fraud as Democrats, but they have just as long, if not a longer history of doing it.

Frankly, I'm more alarmed by the voter suppression tactics the GOP engages in than I am the voter registration fraud stuff.

jag
 
Frankly, I'm more alarmed by the voter suppression tactics the GOP engages in than I am the voter registration fraud stuff.

jag

Me too. If you look at the statistics actual voter fraud very rarely happens, and there has been absolutely no correlation between voter registration fraud and actual voter fraud. On the other hand, voter supression when done successfully actually can impact an election.
 
Me too. If you look at the statistics actual voter fraud very rarely happens, and there has been absolutely no correlation between voter registration fraud and actual voter fraud. On the other hand, voter supression when done successfully actually can impact an election.

Exactamundo, Potsy. :up:

jag
 
I love how talk shows keep coming back to this as the reason people shouldn't vote for Obama.
 
I'm...suprised (not really) to see this has not been discussed here or much in the main stream media.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529206,00.html

House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers no longer plans to investigate the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now — known as ACORN. The Michigan Democrat bucked party leaders when he called for hearings on voter fraud accusations against ACORN. The Washington Times reports Conyers now says, "the powers that be decided against it."

He did not say who those powers are. Spokesman for House Minority Leader John Boehner, Michael Steel, says Conyers, "has a responsibility to explain who is blocking this investigation, and why. Is it Speaker Pelosi? Others in the Democratic leadership? Who in Congress is covering up ACORN's corruption?"

A Conyers spokesman later said Conyers had been referring to himself as "the powers that be."

Who exactly are these "powers that be." Conyers is now claiming it is himself, but if you look at the context in which he said it, he clearly is not. Why is the investigation of voter fraud being blocked and by whom?
 
I have not been this depressed about the state of the country in a long time.

I can't wait until this country winds up in an economic **** hole, my biggest fear is that rebuilding this country will lead to further deviations from the work of our founding fathers by misguided liberals.
 
The sad part is that practically no one is reporting this news.
 

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