The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Andrew Garfield IS Spider-Man!

[Lei D Loki]

See my post above.

This is always gonna run in circles, as TASM-Peter's supporters bring up the same arguments and his detractors bring theirs (always the same, too).

I get why they chose the broken promise angle, it makes logical sense, I just think it makes Peter an unlikeable person, based on my moral values and which people I personally like.

Sure, I get what you're saying. I still appreciate you taking the time to reply to me. Let's just hope for the best for the sequel.

 

[Gianakin_]

About your character? I don't even know you. I assure you, the thumbs down is just there to emphasize how highly I disagree with your opinion, that's all. Nothing personal.

Just checking. All good.

 

[Gianakin_]

Sure, I get what you're saying. I still appreciate you taking the time to reply to me. Let's just hope for the best for the sequel.

Footage makes me happy so far. Villains seem to suck all kinds of ass, but if they get Peter and the story right, I couldn't care less.

 

[TheLastBlade]

I didn't mind the responsibility line. I meant that in one scene Peter calls Ben his father and in the other he asks him where his father is when he actually knows Richard died in a f**kin' plane crash. Be angry at life, not your dad or your uncle.


Hence my "editing" remark. The whole let's go out->I don't wanna talk to anyone->come to dinner with my parents->I'm Spider-Man thing never sat well with me. It was like footnotes of a relationship. Does the dinner with parents thing come so early in a relationship in the United States? Honest question. If it's normal, then I retract my statement. And I never criticized her as a character.


I believe I'm clear in that I'm not criticizing Andrew, but Peter's writing.

Well for one thing, he never understood why his parents left. Because he didn't get it in the first place, he would think that if they never left they probably wouldn't be dead. As for Peter calling Ben a great dad or what not, great father figure=/=real father. Its pretty obvious that he's frustrated that his real father wasn't here.

A bit shady in the beginning, but the rest of the relattionship was likable and she did say she was inviting him for dinner. Also, they weren't doing anything nasty before their first kiss.

 

[TheLastBlade]

Footage makes me happy so far. Villains seem to suck all kinds of ass, but if they get Peter and the story right, I couldn't care less.

I didn't think the villians sucked in the trailer. They all had their roles.

 

[Gianakin_]

Well for one thing, he never understood why his parents left. Because he didn't get it in the first place, he would think that if they never left they probably wouldn't be dead.

Sure. They left. But they meant to return. And something stopped them. Higher powers. Accident. Act of God, for all he knows. All good reasons to get angry. Just not AT Ben.

As for Peter calling Ben a great dad or what not, great father figure=/=real father. Its pretty obvious that he's frustrated that his real father wasn't here.

I may have not made myself clear: It's inconsisent, the initial affection to the eventual harsh accusation.

A bit shady in the beginning, but the rest of the relationship was likable and she did say she was inviting him for dinner. Also, they weren't doing anything nasty before their first kiss.

Once they kiss, I'm fine. Everything leading up to that? I don't see it. Like I said, footnotes. One of my problems, again, was the completely out of the blue "Hey, we spoke once, nothing happened, but now come meet my parents". And I ask, is it normal in the USA? To meet the parents for dinner after the first date (or before one)? And I'm not being sarcastic.

 

[Gianakin_]

I didn't think the villians sucked in the trailer. They all had their roles.

If Rhino has a role, the trailer sure as hell concealed it. And I don't think I'll ever get over the choice of Electro and his motivations. Thank God Spidey's humor was good during his interaction with Max, but he looks BF-Riddler ridiculous in terms of characterization.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Well for one thing, he never understood why his parents left. Because he didn't get it in the first place, he would think that if they never left they probably wouldn't be dead. As for Peter calling Ben a great dad or what not, great father figure=/=real father. Its pretty obvious that he's frustrated that his real father wasn't here.

A bit shady in the beginning, but the rest of the relattionship was likable and she did say she was inviting him for dinner. Also, they weren't doing anything nasty before their first kiss.

Exactly. No matter what, he knows Uncle Ben isn't his real father, and that he does have parents who left him. No matter what, he still has a part of him that's missing.

Footage makes me happy so far. Villains seem to suck all kinds of ass, but if they get Peter and the story right, I couldn't care less.

Wow, I see we really do have different opinions. I really loved Electro in that trailer, as well as Paul Giamatti as pre-Rhino. I found it to be amazing.

 

[Gianakin_]

Wow, I see we really do have different opinions. I really loved Electro in that trailer, as well as Paul Giamatti as pre-Rhino. I found it to be amazing.

I guess so. I just dislike the villains' choice for this one. Even if they at least had the decency to go Ultimate with both of 'em.

 

[Picard Sisko]

If Rhino has a role, the trailer sure as hell concealed it. And I don't think I'll ever get over the choice of Electro and his motivations. Thank God Spidey's humor was good during his interaction with Max, but he looks BF-Riddler ridiculous in terms of characterization.

Please don't compare him to BF's Riddler. I didn't get that vibe from Max Dillon at all.

Riddler was some hokey oddball who was obsessed with Bruce Wayne... for some reason. He tries to impress Bruce with one of his inventions involving brain waves, but he finds that its too dangerous and pisses him off. So then we have the Riddler, who wants revenge because he feels betrayed and teams up with Two-Face.

Max Dillon is a real outcast, and really lives a sad life. He still lives with his mom, nobody really cares or notices him, but he is a genius. And, as Jamie Foxx revealed, even Oscorp is stealing ideas from him and taking credit. Spider-Man saves him, and makes him feel special... like he is actually somebody. He then grows an obsession for the superhero. I'm not sure of what exactly happens in between, but we know that at some point Max Dillon becomes Electro, and he does something that does not get Spider-Man's approval.

What I find interesting is that he is an outcast like Peter Parker, except he never learned what Responsibility meant. When he gets his powers, he uses it for revenge. He wants to show everyone what its like to be him, and get noticed. And I honestly do feel for Max, since I was always an outcast growing up. But I hope that in the movie, Max really does become villainous to the point where you don't feel sorry for him anymore. He crosses the line and now you are rooting for Spider-Man to stop him.

 

[Gianakin_]

Please don't compare him to BF's Riddler. I didn't get that vibe from Max Dillon at all.

Riddler was some hokey oddball who was obsessed with Bruce Wayne... for some reason. He tries to impress Bruce with one of his inventions involving brain waves, but he finds that its too dangerous and pisses him off. So then we have the Riddler, who wants revenge because he feels betrayed and teams up with Two-Face.

Max Dillon is a real outcast, and really lives a sad life. He still lives with his mom, nobody really cares or notices him, but he is a genius. And, as Jamie Foxx revealed, even Oscorp is stealing ideas from him and taking credit. Spider-Man saves him, and makes him feel special... like he is actually somebody. He then grows an obsession for the superhero. I'm not sure of what exactly happens in between, but we know that at some point Max Dillon becomes Electro, and he does something that does not get Spider-Man's approval.

Heh, you do realize that 90% of what you posted is BF's Nygma, right?

 

[Picard Sisko]

Heh, you do realize that 90% of what you posted is BF's Nygma, right?

What I'm saying is I don't get the vibe of Riddler from Electro. I see the similarities, but they are still very different (at least that is what I get from the trailer).

Sorry, I pulled an all-nighter so I'm not on my A game atm.

 

[Gianakin_]

Eh, visually and tonally they're nothing alike, but I get very powerful Nygma vibes from Max and lots of nacho cheese from Electro. But I'm trying to keep my mind open.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I don't get that, but like almost everything else discussed on these forums, its subjective. Can't force someone to get a vibe, or not get one for that matter.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Is it just me but Andrew's delivery in that 'trailer' was damn perfect

Wasn't like it was bad before but now he has taken it to another level

 

[Picard Sisko]

Is it just me but Andrew's delivery in that 'trailer' was damn perfect

Wasn't like it was bad before but now he has taken it to another level

I mentioned this a while ago, but TASM almost felt like an experiment. They were playing around with a few things, finding things that worked, and things that didn't work. Now they got on their two feet and have a better understanding of what direction to go in.

 

[JOE]

I'd like to see how Andrew is in school now. Haven't heard anything about Flash yet, hope he plays a bigger role. Loved how they portrayed him in TSSM.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

I'd like to see how Andrew is in school now. Haven't heard anything about Flash yet, hope he plays a bigger role. Loved how they portrayed him in TSSM.

i don't think we're getting any school stuff besides the graduation ceremony.

 

[JOE]

What makes you think that?

 

[Picard Sisko]

Well I think the movie begins with him in hs, but he most likely graduates in the first act of the film. Based on the set photos, it looks like it would have to be early on, before all of the Electro stuff happens.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Yes, which is why I said in my post "They did the 1st obvious mistake by having Capt Stacy make Peter promise THAT thing".

My bad then, I guess I misunderstood your post.

It just sounds so cliche.

I don't get a cliche feeling from that description. It's all in the execution. I really want them to explore the burdens of being PP and the GS death arc is one that can be very memorable if done 'right.'

 

[Picard Sisko]

IMO, it would have been worse for Peter to tell Capt Stacy, "No, I can't." Him breaking the promise has a more powerful impact on the weight placed on Peter's shoulders--it's always there in the back of his mind whenever he's with her on a date or whatever. And, ultimately, when she dies (I'm assuming this of course) the weight of the broken promise will come down on him very hard. It adds more burden to him than to say "no I can't."

This doesn't sound cliche.

 

[Loki882]

Being cliché doesn't necessarily mean that it's bad. If it's executed well, than something that is cliché can still be good and enjoyable.

 

[Shikamaru]

In my book, if it is executed well it is no longer a cliche present in the film.

 

[RiXi]

So...even Stan Lee prefers Andrew over Tobey...

“Oh, I think Andy Garfield is great as Spider-Man, absolutely great. In fact, I would have picked him for the first Spider-Man movie if he had volunteered.”

http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/07/28/stan-lee-weighs-in-on-making-spider-man-bisexual/