The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Andrew Garfield IS Spider-Man!

[Loki882]

Yes, Flash deserves an arc, he got a big one in the comics and I like that the filmmakers gave him one here. The main characters aren't the only ones who should change and grow, it's called character development. Also, mocking my opinion and calling people who don't agree with you "fanboys who can't think" doesn't make it true, it makes you an arrogant condescending jerk. I know how teenagers act, I was one a few years ago, and Andrew acted like a lot of people that I know, so you're critique is meaningless.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Yes, Flash deserves an arc, he got a big one in the comics and I like that the filmmakers gave him one here. The main characters aren't the only ones who should change and grow, it's called character development. Also, mocking my opinion and calling people who don't agree with you "fanboys who can't think" doesn't make it true, it makes you an arrogant condescending jerk. I know how teenagers act, I was one a few years ago, and Andrew acted like a lot of people that I know, so you're critique is meaningless.

As opposed to you mocking my opinion and calling me an arrogant jerk for a percieved slight against you? Apparently, you took what I said very personally, though it wasn't directed specifically at you.

Au Contraire on your "teenager" argument. I know a lot of teenagers who act NOTHING like how Garfield "acts". Boom. It's takes a special sort of groupthink to lump everyone of a certain age range into the same category.

Yes, and in the comics, Peter dated Betty Brant, and worked for the daily bugle by issue #2. Where was that in TASM? Oh yeah, it wasn't there because of time constraints and because they wouldn't work in the film. I don't see you complaining about that.

Besides the fact that Flash developed as a character over many decades in the comics, the "character arc" (which is laughable, because it can barely even be considered one- even loosely) felt tacked on, insincere and out of the blue. Is this sort of half hearted "character development" (lol) all it takes to placate fanboys these days? Apparently so.

 

[Wadaltmon]

He may have dated Betty in the Amazing Spider-Man comics, but then again, as was evident by several points in the film, TASM was based more on the Ultimate comics anyway, in which this did not happen.

 

[Vid Electricz]

He may have dated Betty in the Amazing Spider-Man comics, but then again, as was evident by several points in the film, TASM was based more on the Ultimate comics anyway, in which this did not happen.

Right, like the part where Gwen was a Punk rock, bad girl type or the Lizard looking like giant Iguana, or Uncle Ben having a pony tail, or Peter using his fathers formula to make the web fluid... Exactly like the ultimate comics.

 

[GuestStar2004]

TASM was a good film, the characters felt more grounded, it didn't feel cliche like raimis films, gwen was a better love interest, and i personally feel andrew is a better peter

i can't watch the SM1, i personally feel raimi would have done a better job with superman, judging by his spidey films, infact did he think this was superman before sony said noo we said spider-man no superman but tough your contacted now make the damn film!

i'm joking of course, but not a fan of raimis films

 

[JOE]

SM and SM2 are still amongst the top CBM. SM2 being higher, regardless the movies were made over a decade ago. The advancement in CGI has been growing exponentially growing with no signs of slowing down ala MOS, Pacific Rim, Avengers, Iron Man 3 etc.

When we compare Spider-Man to what it did at its time, the movies were groundbreaking.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Yes, Flash deserves an arc, he got a big one in the comics and I like that the filmmakers gave him one here. The main characters aren't the only ones who should change and grow, it's called character development. Also, mocking my opinion and calling people who don't agree with you "fanboys who can't think" doesn't make it true, it makes you an arrogant condescending jerk. I know how teenagers act, I was one a few years ago, and Andrew acted like a lot of people that I know, so you're critique is meaningless.

Okay, so he acted how most teenagers today do act, however, is that how Peter Parker acts? In my mind, I'd give it a big hell no. Nothing about Andrew Garfield's performance said Peter Parker to me. I mean, he didn't even start out wearing glasses, the glasses bit was just tacked on. Also, the Peter I've read about all my life takes promises to dead influential figures in his life very seriously. He doesn't throw them away within a few days.

He may have dated Betty in the Amazing Spider-Man comics, but then again, as was evident by several points in the film, TASM was based more on the Ultimate comics anyway, in which this did not happen.

Well in that case, MJ should've been his best firiend turned girlfriend. Gwen, a momentary distraction, but turning more into a sister like character for Peter.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Okay, so he acted how most teenagers today do act, however, is that how Peter Parker acts? In my mind, I'd give it a big hell no. Nothing about Andrew Garfield's performance said Peter Parker to me. I mean, he didn't even start out wearing glasses, the glasses bit was just tacked on. Also, the Peter I've read about all my life takes promises to dead influential figures in his life very seriously. He doesn't throw them away within a few days.

Peter used contact lenses.. its modern, raimis films decided his vision would be corrected thanks to his spidey powers but they aint going that route

Peter makes mistakes, i'm sure he ain't a saint in the comics, its a learning curve which is growing through out the movies

 

[Spiderdevil]

SM 1 had better humor, no Tobey didn't pull off the comedy well at all.

Not Tobey but rest of the characters had good humour
JJJ and the Daily bugle,the canteen scene,Peter when he is swinging the first time..to name a few

And before you say that Spidey was more quippy,picking on a trapped powerless car jacker isn't what I call being quippy or witty.Its being a bully,ironically the same things he stops Flash for

The dialogue was cheesy (a middle aged man's view of the 1960's), GG had no motivation, the supporting characters were more like caricatures. Flash in TASM got an arc, Flash in SM 1 was a *****e. The action in TASM was also better and Peter was more creative with his powers and moved like an actual spider. Besides JJJ, TASM supporting cast was better. Martin Sheen, Sally Field, Denis Leary, Chris Zylka, etc all were great and got stuff to do. Peter acted like and actual teenager and the story was intriguing. SM 2 is still the best, but TASM is a close second.

The Dailogues in TASM werent anything better either.And what Arc did Flash have in TASM?
And better action? LOL.Couple of 20 second fight which end before starting properly and the OSCORP fight which was horribly edited.
Only the school fight was good(and even that had bad soundtrack)

And Peter acted like a *****e on occasions,the whole store/milk thing was terribly done and the way he acted in the car jacker scene

 

[Spiderdevil]

Yes, Flash deserves an arc, he got a big one in the comics and I like that the filmmakers gave him one here. The main characters aren't the only ones who should change and grow, it's called character development. Also, mocking my opinion and calling people who don't agree with you "fanboys who can't think" doesn't make it true, it makes you an arrogant condescending jerk. I know how teenagers act, I was one a few years ago, and Andrew acted like a lot of people that I know, so you're critique is meaningless.

Basically every minor character has an arc in the comics
We are talking about 50+ years of Comic Book history,they need stuff like that to keep going

 

[WarriorDreamer]

Yes the dialogue was somewhat cheesy and affected in the Raimi trilogy. Affected in the sense of they were trying to make the audience feel emotions through the dialogue rather than just letting the characters speak normally and naturally like in Webb's movie.

But the point is that it was supposed to be a stylized world. Everything you see in those movies was supposed to be a comic book world. It wasn't meant to be a reflection of real life. Marc Webb is trying to make these movies be a reflection of real life.

 

[JOE]

Spider-Man has always and will always be my favorite superhero. Raimi's somewhat cheesy dialogue or Webb's somewhat questionable choices for TASM can never take that away from me. Sounds very critical, but I loved SM2, had fun with SM and thought TASM was incredibly refreshing and a great foundation to set up a future line of movies with.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Peter used contact lenses.. its modern, raimis films decided his vision would be corrected thanks to his spidey powers but they aint going that route

Actually that's part of the comics lore, Peter's vision is corrected due to his Spidey powers.

Peter makes mistakes, i'm sure he ain't a saint in the comics, its a learning curve which is growing through out the movies

So I'm guessing from that statement you never read the comics. So you don't actually know if Andrew was a better Peter Parker because you don't know the source material. Peter isn't a saint in the comics, but I would say he's one of the biggest boyscouts in comics next to Superman. He really is almost the definition of the good kid. Which I didn't get at all from Andrews portrayal of the character, it was partly script and partly his acting. Tobey wasn't perfect, but I feel he understood the character much more than Andrew did.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Okay, so he acted how most teenagers today do act, however, is that how Peter Parker acts? In my mind, I'd give it a big hell no. Nothing about Andrew Garfield's performance said Peter Parker to me. I mean, he didn't even start out wearing glasses, the glasses bit was just tacked on. Also, the Peter I've read about all my life takes promises to dead influential figures in his life very seriously. He doesn't throw them away within a few days.

Never in the comics (616 or Ultimate) did Peter act the way he did in TASM. TASM's Peter came off as a very transparent bit of pandering to the target youth-skewed demographic (Handsome guy, dressed in all the coolest fashions, with the trendiest haircut who skateboards and listens to all the trendiest music).

In fact, Tobey's Peter Parker very closely mirrors the way Parker is depicted in Ultimate Spider-Man (personality-wise).

Yes the dialogue was somewhat cheesy and affected in the Raimi trilogy. Affected in the sense of they were trying to make the audience feel emotions through the dialogue rather than just letting the characters speak normally and naturally like in Webb's movie.

But the point is that it was supposed to be a stylized world. Everything you see in those movies was supposed to be a comic book world. It wasn't meant to be a reflection of real life. Marc Webb is trying to make these movies be a reflection of real life.

Spot on. Apparently the intent and approach of the filmmakers is unimportant. Raimi, from the outset, made no bones about telling a sort of idealized, fairy-tale love story.

Webb wants to take a different route, grounding it in reality, so to speak. The only problem with this is that false, cheesy, unnatural, affected moments ring untrue ("I've been bitten", "There's a rumour of a new specied in town...it's quite agressive.", etc...)

 

[GuestStar2004]

Actually that's part of the comics lore, Peter's vision is corrected due to his Spidey powers.



So I'm guessing from that statement you never read the comics. So you don't actually know if Andrew was a better Peter Parker because you don't know the source material. Peter isn't a saint in the comics, but I would say he's one of the biggest boyscouts in comics next to Superman. He really is almost the definition of the good kid. Which I didn't get at all from Andrews portrayal of the character, it was partly script and partly his acting. Tobey wasn't perfect, but I feel he understood the character much more than Andrew did.

I have read a few of the comics growing up and I grew up with the cartoons also,but Toby's Peter always annoyed me i just didn't like his take, Andrew is a more grounded approach I like, even with the films flaws it still loads better then Raimis movies

 

[The Vigilante]

So I'm guessing from that statement you never read the comics. So you don't actually know if Andrew was a better Peter Parker because you don't know the source material. Peter isn't a saint in the comics, but I would say he's one of the biggest boyscouts in comics next to Superman. He really is almost the definition of the good kid. Which I didn't get at all from Andrews portrayal of the character, it was partly script and partly his acting. Tobey wasn't perfect, but I feel he understood the character much more than Andrew did.

Well I've read the comics for years and I have to say, I disagree. I think Andrew was a fine Spider-Man and Peter Parker. You have to understand, the character was created 50 years ago, a whole different time. Peter can't be the "nerdy bookworm" or "Wall flower" that he was in Amazing Fantasy 15 anymore because nerds rule the world now. Andrew Garfield's version of the character is alot more modernized and realistic when it comes to being a teenager. He may come off as rude during some moments but inherently, you know he's a good kid. And while this Peter Parker isn't a saint, neither are the versions of him from the comics, especially 616 and 1610
In Amazing Fantasy 15 he lets the burglar go, not because he wanted revenge for not getting his money (Raimi) or because he was mad at the store clerk (Webb), but simply because he didn't feel like it and he only wanted to look out for number 1, himself. Sounds pretty selfish to me.

In Amazing Fantasy 15 he lets the burglar go, not because he wanted revenge for not getting his money (Raimi) or because he was mad at the store clerk (Webb), but simply because he didn't feel like it and he only wanted to look out for number 1, himself. Sounds pretty selfish to me.
And in the ultimates he's no better. He yells at Uncle Ben alot like in both movie series and runs off. He then encounters the burglar who he simply taunts and lets run free and gets scolded by the store clerk and a cop who he simply brushes away.

Bottom line is Peter Parker is not the perfect character, but that's the point. He's all of us, he makes mistakes. That's how I see this new movie series going. Andrew's Peter is always growing, and each mistake he makes (breaking the promise) will teach him more about responsibility and that will shape him into a full fledged Spider-Man.

 

[Shikamaru]

So I'm guessing from that statement you never read the comics. So you don't actually know if Andrew was a better Peter Parker because you don't know the source material. Peter isn't a saint in the comics, but I would say he's one of the biggest boyscouts in comics next to Superman. He really is almost the definition of the good kid. Which I didn't get at all from Andrews portrayal of the character, it was partly script and partly his acting. Tobey wasn't perfect, but I feel he understood the character much more than Andrew did.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Well I've read the comics for years and I have to say, I disagree. I think Andrew was a fine Spider-Man and Peter Parker. You have to understand, the character was created 50 years ago, a whole different time. Peter can't be the "nerdy bookworm" or "Wall flower" that he was in Amazing Fantasy 15 anymore because nerds rule the world now. Andrew Garfield's version of the character is alot more modernized and realistic when it comes to being a teenager. He may come off as rude during some moments but inherently, you know he's a good kid. And while this Peter Parker isn't a saint, neither are the versions of him from the comics, especially 616 and 1610

Says Marc Webb anyway. What about the two stereotypical nerds complete with bad haircuts, goofy outfits and glasses who talk with the classic "nerdy" nasally voice that Peter is following in the school courtyard as they watch Spider-Man on their ipad?

What about Max Dillon? Looks and acts like an over the top, stereotypical nerd archetype.

Riiiiight. Nerds don't exist anymore. Anyone who says that obviously hasn't been in high school for a while or is completely removed from reality. People keep throwing around the terms "modernized" and "realistic" like they actually mean something.

In Amazing Fantasy 15 he lets the burglar go, not because he wanted revenge for not getting his money (Raimi) or because he was mad at the store clerk (Webb), but simply because he didn't feel like it and he only wanted to look out for number 1, himself. Sounds pretty selfish to me.

And in the ultimates he's no better. He yells at Uncle Ben alot like in both movie series and runs off. He then encounters the burglar who he simply taunts and lets run free and gets scolded by the store clerk and a cop who he simply brushes away.

Yes, but he learns from those mistakes and takes them to heart. Attonement and guilt are at the core of the character. He may not be perfect, but that doesn't mean he doesn't make the effort to do the right thing/make the right choice.

Bottom line is Peter Parker is not the perfect character, but that's the point. He's all of us, he makes mistakes. That's how I see this new movie series going. Andrew's Peter is always growing, and each mistake he makes (breaking the promise) will teach him more about responsibility and that will shape him into a full fledged Spider-Man.

I'd argue he should have learned about responsibilty from his Uncle's death, but no, this needs to bedelayed and stretched out until Gwen dies. Then what? He can never be with anyone again after his next supposed "lesson", right? Oh wait, Mary Jane is the next love interest, right? Okay, scrap that. There are other lessons that Peter can learn other than "with great power there must also come great responsibility." (Raimi's films did this).

 

[Shikamaru]

I'd argue he should have learned about responsibilty from his Uncle's death, but no, this needs to bedelayed and stretched out until Gwen dies. Then what? He can never be with anyone again after his next supposed "lesson", right? Oh wait, Mary Jane is the next love interest, right? Okay, scrap that. There are other lessons that Peter can learn other than "with great power there must also come great responsibility." (Raimi's films did this).

He learns of responsibility at the end of the movie and throughout the Lizard events.

 

[Shikamaru]

What a boyscout .

Keep in mind this is a comic panel from back when Batman was still his campy Adam West counterpart.

 

[blake c]

Well I've read the comics for years and I have to say, I disagree. I think Andrew was a fine Spider-Man and Peter Parker. You have to understand, the character was created 50 years ago, a whole different time. Peter can't be the "nerdy bookworm" or "Wall flower" that he was in Amazing Fantasy 15 anymore because nerds rule the world now. Andrew Garfield's version of the character is alot more modernized and realistic when it comes to being a teenager. He may come off as rude during some moments but inherently, you know he's a good kid. And while this Peter Parker isn't a saint, neither are the versions of him from the comics, especially 616 and 1610
In Amazing Fantasy 15 he lets the burglar go, not because he wanted revenge for not getting his money (Raimi) or because he was mad at the store clerk (Webb), but simply because he didn't feel like it and he only wanted to look out for number 1, himself. Sounds pretty selfish to me.

In Amazing Fantasy 15 he lets the burglar go, not because he wanted revenge for not getting his money (Raimi) or because he was mad at the store clerk (Webb), but simply because he didn't feel like it and he only wanted to look out for number 1, himself. Sounds pretty selfish to me.
And in the ultimates he's no better. He yells at Uncle Ben alot like in both movie series and runs off. He then encounters the burglar who he simply taunts and lets run free and gets scolded by the store clerk and a cop who he simply brushes away.

Bottom line is Peter Parker is not the perfect character, but that's the point. He's all of us, he makes mistakes. That's how I see this new movie series going. Andrew's Peter is always growing, and each mistake he makes (breaking the promise) will teach him more about responsibility and that will shape him into a full fledged Spider-Man.

 

[blake c]

I take it that you people who don't like Andrew's Peter Parker haven't been in school for over 20 years. Am I right or am I right

 

[Vid Electricz]

He learns of responsibility at the end of the movie and throughout the Lizard events.

So he irresponsibly chooses to break his promise to Captain Stacy? Makes sense.

Lesson learned from TASM: Being responsible is super fun! You can do pretty much whatever you want!

 

[blake c]

He learns of responsibility at the end of the movie and throughout the Lizard events.

H even got the eggs for May after beating the Lizard. Hows that for responsibility?

 

[Vid Electricz]

I take it that you people who don't like Andrew's Peter Parker haven't been in school for over 20 years. Am I right or am I right

Some of us just didn't care for the portrayal of the character. I guess that's pretty hard to understand though!