Anon v. Sony

[KALEL114]

Anon=Fail. Lol.

One of the guys that went to "protest" actually bought a Bravia TV. They just need to give it up.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Maybe they would be better just sticking to weak and disabled people as it seems to be what they are best at targeting.

 

[Timstuff]

This sounds more like some stupid basement dweller spewing his revenge fantasies all over /b/ and hoping beyond hope that the other /b/tards will act them out for him than an actual protest movement.

 

[Spade]

All three sides are equally stupid.

Hotz knew exactly what jailbreaking leads to, and he made it available anyways. Anyone with a frontal lobe could tell you Sony wouldn't be pleased, since they just started posting profits on the PS3 last year. The guy proceeds to use donation money to "fight the power" on an overseas vacation, then- and this is the best part of the whole affair, because you can't make this up- he returns with the claim he should be exonerated because he didn't know Sony of America existed. Really?

Sony's just as dumb, because they handled the whole thing improperly. Modding has given the industry many talented programmers and content. They stopped being rationally concerned about the malicious and costly side of modding, which is hacking, when they irrationally tried to obtain people's IP addresses just for watching a video. This wouldn't have escalated if Sony wasn't headed by old and overreacting board execs.

The group calling themselves Anonymous (which they're not, since it's not a club, just some "Legion" ranting script kiddies from 4chan's random board) are right up there with the two. Yes, let's down PSN for players, so we can protest the mistreatment of consumer rights! And they wonder why people hate them now.

The whole thing's stupid, and there's no good reason why PSN had to be roped into all this.

 

[Timstuff]

Sony was not allowed to look at the IP addresses. All that information was collected by a third party appointed by the court for the sole purpose of deciding jurisdiction, which is what Sony requested the information for int he first place. The IP addresses could not have been used to mount lawsuits against anyone, because Sony did not have them. However, that doesn't sound nearly as scary as "SONY HAZ UR IP ADDY!" when trying to get people on an imageboard riled up.

 

[TX85]

Don't know IF has been posted But.....http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/de...sh/62/dd/62dd0a74fdfa6fe397e1d0058e8f132b.JPG

F'n *****es!,They really expected Sony not do to any Legal action against these people??,there basically looking for hacking to be legalized and why should it!?

It's like something an evil robot would say during a cut-scene for a final boss fight or villains in a comic book!!,I bet this will be going on for a weeks or even beyond that!

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I thought Anonymous wasn't claiming credit for this? I also remember reading some...supposed "statement" from them claiming they did not wish to affect PS3 Owners because "they're not the problem, they're the victims".

Either way, it's making Sony look bad...because they're Network is still down.

 

[Havok83]

I thought Anonymous wasn't claiming credit for this? I also remember reading some...supposed "statement" from them claiming they did not wish to affect PS3 Owners because "they're not the problem, they're the victims".

Either way, it's making Sony look bad...because they're Network is still down.

just bc they say they didnt do it doesnt mean they didnt. If they did it, they ar all probably laughing amongst themselves, but denied involvement to avoid possible legal ramifications

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno, I thought they claimed credit for every other attack they ran on Sony. I do remember reading that supposed "statement" on Kotaku weeks ago, before The PSN went down. I know it mean zilch, since they don't have any credibility with me, but it's worth noting I guess.

It's just a ****ing mess that Sony will have to clean up. If you go by Sony, too, then we're probably in it for the long haul. They're statements make it sound like they're still trying to comprehend what the hell happened, much less find a remedy. I'm sure they're going to have to extend Playstation Plus members expiration by however long this thing lasts.

 

[Cth]

Yeah, it's definitely not Anonymous (besides, that pic is pretty old)

What likely happened is that some kids got ahold of a new custom firmware that lets them play on the developer network. One side effect is that Sony didn't put ANY protection on the developer network, so they could fake credit card numbers which wouldn't get checked, and as a result, they could download the whole PSN store for free essentially.

Of course, there's talk that adminstrator accounts could have been compromised as well, which is why they're opting to start over instead of trying to figure out how throughly PSN was compromised.

In other words, it's the same problem that went with the PS3 security. They relied on security through obscurity. There's no excuse for their network to be that unsecured if true. By relying on the end user side of things to maintain security, it was only a matter of time once the PS3 was cracked before PSN started getting similar attention.

Here's the CLIFF NOTES version:
- There's CFW that tells PSN that your system is a developer's PS3
- This allows you on a special network that isn't secured allowing you to get free product and to play online

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

I dunno, I thought they claimed credit for every other attack they ran on Sony. I do remember reading that supposed "statement" on Kotaku weeks ago, before The PSN went down. I know it mean zilch, since they don't have any credibility with me, but it's worth noting I guess.

It's just a ****ing mess that Sony will have to clean up. If you go by Sony, too, then we're probably in it for the long haul. They're statements make it sound like they're still trying to comprehend what the hell happened, much less find a remedy. I'm sure they're going to have to extend Playstation Plus members expiration by however long this thing lasts.

I certainly hope they do that because my membership ends on May 1st. I bought the 3 month membership, and this could not have happened at a worse time. I bet that if it's not back up by the first, then they will STILL charge my card the membership fee for another 3 months. Hopefully they put all automatic renewals on hold until this has been resolved.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, it's has to be a given that they're extend it for all PS Plus members. I think they might even NEED to do more if they want to keep customers from leaving. I could see them adding a free month, or so, and then maybe piling on content for PS Plus members to try and sway them into renewing again when they're time comes up.

I could see them doing that to try and keep PS Plus member from leaving.

Yeah, it's definitely not Anonymous (besides, that pic is pretty old)

What likely happened is that some kids got ahold of a new custom firmware that lets them play on the developer network. One side effect is that Sony didn't put ANY protection on the developer network, so they could fake credit card numbers which wouldn't get checked, and as a result, they could download the whole PSN store for free essentially.

Of course, there's talk that adminstrator accounts could have been compromised as well, which is why they're opting to start over instead of trying to figure out how throughly PSN was compromised.

In other words, it's the same problem that went with the PS3 security. They relied on security through obscurity. There's no excuse for their network to be that unsecured if true. By relying on the end user side of things to maintain security, it was only a matter of time once the PS3 was cracked before PSN started getting similar attention.

Here's the CLIFF NOTES version:
- There's CFW that tells PSN that your system is a developer's PS3
- This allows you on a special network that isn't secured allowing you to get free product and to play online

What I've heard a number of times, even before the PSN went down, when it came to the hacks is that alot of it could have been prevented if Sony had put up better defenses. I've heard Jeff Gertzmann, of Giantbomb, talk about it a bit when the "keys" had hit the internet a month or two ago. I got the vibe, from what he said, that Sony had kinda screwed themselves over by how they had set things up to begin with.