Anothe error I always wondered about

[Spider - Man]

Pete an MJ are in the cafe. A car comes crashing thru the window. Pete, because of his spider sense, narrowly throws he and MJ out of the way. Ock comes in and tells Pete to find Spidey for him as Pete is his only way "to find Spider-man".

So my question: Since Ock couldn't know Pete is Spidey (and therefore know he has Spider senses) and wouldn't know Pete could get out of the way of a car flying thru the window, was he stupidly trying to kill the very person he was coming to send word to Spider-man thru?

 

[The Joker]

The answer is simple: Raimi ignored logic for dramatic effect.

Though having Ock tear down the front of the cafe with his tentacles would have been equally dramatic and more logical. And cooler looking too IMO.

 

[matthooper]

Why would anyone believe that Ock is thinking straight? He is corrupted by the tentacles. They don't know logic. All they know is getting Peter. The easiest way to get in was to throw a car through the window.

Ock said at the end, "listen to me now", quite emphatically. That means the tentacles were doing all his thinking for him.

 

[Spider - Man]

Why would anyone believe that Ock is thinking straight? He is corrupted by the tentacles. They don't know logic. All they know is getting Peter. The easiest way to get in was to throw a car through the window.

Ock said at the end, "listen to me now", quite emphatically. That means the tentacles were doing all his thinking for him.

Well in that case it would've been funny if the person he was looking for to contact Spidey WASN'T actually Spidey and the car had crushed him. Ock comes in, looks at the remains, and says, "Now you go tell Spider-m...oh, uh, aw crap!!!"

 

[The Joker]

Why would anyone believe that Ock is thinking straight? He is corrupted by the tentacles. They don't know logic. All they know is getting Peter. The easiest way to get in was to throw a car through the window.

Ock said at the end, "listen to me now", quite emphatically. That means the tentacles were doing all his thinking for him.

The only logic that was defied was in his thinking that his reactor would work, and he was justified in doing whatever he had to do to make that happen. "The real crime would be not to finish what we started". The tentacles were not giving all the strategy here. Octavius knew he needed money to rebuild it. He knew he needed Harry Osborn for the tritium etc. The A.I. in the arms just made him believe that he was justified in using the ruthless/evil tactics that he used to get what he needed.

His intelligence and logic was not rendered stupid in how to carry out his task. If that was the case, he would not have wisely taken a hostage when the Police showed up at the bank, or taken MJ prisoner to ensure Spider-Man would meet him, or ripped the brakes out of the train in order to wear Spider-Man out.

That is smart and logical thinking. Ock was not an idiot in his methods to get what he wanted.

This throwing the car at Peter in the cafe was a stupid thing to do, and something Ock would never have done. As if that was the only way he could have accosted Peter. It was just dramatic effect for Ock's entrance and interruption of Peter and MJ's tender moment.

Nothing more.

 

[Drago]

Maybe Ock was planning on bringing Pete back? but since Pete didn't get knocked out he just yelled at him to find Spidey and he took MJ

It's interesting to try and figure it out... don't care too much though, Spidey 2 rocks none-the-less

 

[TheCaptain22555]

I've thought about this too. Who's to say he wouldn't have grabbed it (the car) if Pete didn't dive out of the way. Probably made no sense to have it in there but the scene was still pretty neat.

 

[matthooper]

The only logic that was defied was in his thinking that his reactor would work, and he was justified in doing whatever he had to do to make that happen. "The real crime would be not to finish what we started". The tentacles were not giving all the strategy here. Octavius knew he needed money to rebuild it. He knew he needed Harry Osborn for the tritium etc. The A.I. in the arms just made him believe that he was justified in using the ruthless/evil tactics that he used to get what he needed.

His intelligence and logic was not rendered stupid in how to carry out his task. If that was the case, he would not have wisely taken a hostage when the Police showed up at the bank, or taken MJ prisoner to ensure Spider-Man would meet him, or ripped the brakes out of the train in order to wear Spider-Man out.

That is smart and logical thinking. Ock was not an idiot in his methods to get what he wanted.

This throwing the car at Peter in the cafe was a stupid thing to do, and something Ock would never have done. As if that was the only way he could have accosted Peter. It was just dramatic effect for Ock's entrance and interruption of Peter and MJ's tender moment. Just as mine mean nothing to you.

Nothing more.

He did logical things along the way, but he was far from rational and logical in total. Throwing an old woman to her death is not rational or logical. He didn't know she saved herself with her umbrella.

This is your theory and your interpretation and that's it. You have no idea what the level of influence the tentacle had over him. Only Raimi and the writers knows that. Each of us can interpret his motivation in our own way. Your theories mean nothing to me.

 

[The Joker]

He did logical things along the way, but he was far from rational and logical in total. Throwing an old woman to her death is not rational or logical. He didn't know she saved herself with her umbrella.

He dropped Aunt May because he knew Spidey would try and rescue her. Giving him the chance to pummel Spidey. Which he did.

Every action he did to achieve his goal, except for throwing that car in the window, had logic to it.

This is your theory and your interpretation and that's it.You have no idea what the level of influence the tentacle had over him.

Well, if you watch the movie, it's quite simple to deduce what sort of influence they had over him:

"We could rebuild. Enlarge the containment field. Make it bigger and stronger than ever. But we need money........steal it?? No, no, no I'm not a criminal.......that's right. The real crime would be not to finish what we started"

They made him believe that doing these evil things justify rebuilding his dream. They ultimately played on his ego and hubris.

Each of us can interpret his motivation in our own way. Your theories mean nothing to me.

Right, so you'll be leaving these forums, since other people's opinions and theories mean nothing to you.

Or is it just me you've singled out??

 

[Geko]

Clearly he only wanted to get Peter and MJ's attention by "knocking" on the window with the car. Like a desperate lover throwing pebbles at his girlfriend's window.
Sadly he just didn't know his own strength.

 

[taff]

He was just acting like a complete burk! I do stuff like that all the time, it's just lucky it worked out for him. I don't tend to have that luxury though, if it goes wrong for me I just to tend to think that "I should really have thought that through".

 

[matthooper]

He dropped Aunt May because he knew Spidey would try and rescue her. Giving him the chance to pummel Spidey. Which he did.

Murdering Aunt May was not part of rebuilding the reactor. For that matter, pummeling Spider-Man was not part either. Just getting away or simply defeating him would have been enough. He was taking pleasure in all his evil deads. Look at his face. He enjoyed the carnage. That much is pretty obvious. These are the thoughts and actions of an irrational and out of control person.

Again, this is all speculation, none of us know what Ock was thinking or the effects of the tentacles.

 

[The Joker]

Murdering Aunt May was not part of rebuilding the reactor.

Neither was kidnapping MJ, killing everyone on the train etc. They were all means to get what he needed.

Aunt May was his hostage to keep the Police at bay and someone for Spidey to try and rescue when Ock callously dropped her, thereby giving him a chance to take out Spidey.

"You've stuck your webs in my business for the last time. Now you'll have this woman's death on your conscience"

For that matter, pummeling Spider-Man was not part either. Just getting away or simply defeating him would have been enough.

Yes, and in order to get away or defeat him, he had to hurt him, or put some innocent in danger to distract Spider-Man.

He was taking pleasure in all his evil deads. Look at his face. He enjoyed the carnage. That much is pretty obvious.

Oh, I whole heartedly agree. The arms can't forge emotions or the witty and nasty villainous lines he spouted.

These are the thoughts and actions of an irrational and out of control person.

Yes he was irrational, but not stupid. There's a difference. His methods to achieve his irrational goal were sound and clever. All the evil things he did served a purpose to help him get what he wanted. All except throwing that car at Peter in the cafe. He's very lucky he didn't kill Peter.

Again, this is all speculation, none of us know what Ock was thinking or the effects of the tentacles.

No, but we can make a darn good guess based on what was said and shown in the movie.