Another Person Shot While Looking for Help

That makes it okay to come to the door with a gun. It doesn't make it okay to pull the trigger.



Then tell them, at gunpoint if necessary, to go away? That doesn't give you the right to shoot them.

How do we know he came to door with the gun???? We don't! We don't know what happened. That is my point. However, I am saying that anyone knocking/pounding/doing whatever at 2;30am is going to make anyone wary. How can folks NOT see this????? :whatever:

we don't know all of the facts. what if you found out the woman knocking on the door was really a chupacabra? and how did you find that out, if you were so scared for your life that you felt compelled to open the door (but not phone the police)?

Point is she/he could be a chupacabra? We don't know if the person opened the door? WE don't what the hell happened. However, we DO know that someone knocked on someone's door at 2:30am. THAT is not a good idea. If you think it is...then by all means....go for it!
 
But that person is "pounding" on my door....they are already there. Why would I wait for the cops to get there if I think my life is in jeopardy?

because killing has consequences. because there is still a door in between you and the "threat." because there's a 90% chance that you're pro-life.
 
because killing has consequences. because there is still a door in between you and the "threat." because there's a 90% chance that you're pro-life.

Yes, and so does knocking on someone's door at 2:30am. Everything ****ing thing has consequences.
 
How do we know he came to door with the gun???? We don't! We don't know what happened. That is my point. However, I am saying that anyone knocking/pounding/doing whatever at 2;30am is going to make anyone wary. How can folks NOT see this????? :whatever:

but, as you just suggested, how wary could they be if they didn't come to the door with a gun?

Point is she/he could be a chupacabra? We don't know if the person opened the door? WE don't what the hell happened. However, we DO know that someone knocked on someone's door at 2:30am. THAT is not a good idea. If you think it is...then by all means....go for it!

we do know that the person opened the door.
 
Yes, and so does knocking on someone's door at 2:30am. Everything ****ing thing has consequences.

what kind of ****ing world is this if the logical consequence of knocking on a door is death? why would anyone bring children into a post-apocalyptic cesspool, like this? i know that my parents never instructed me to kill visitors.
 
I...couldn't read all of this because some of it doesn't make sense to me.

First, if I have a gun then I am AFRAID. I feel it is mortal jeopardy. The time for question and answer and is OVER. Also, if they are blocked by a door, I have no idea what is going on with that person knocking on my door in the dead of night. Hence, why I say it's NOT safe to knock on anyone's door in the dead of night unless it is life or death. You don't know what the person on the other side of the door is doing and THEY (more importantly) don't know what you are doing.

Again, you and I both are supplementing details where there are none. I think it is highly probable that the person with the gun shot them for a good reason. However, you feel they should have listened to what that person on the other side of the door had to say. My point is this person should have STAYED IN THEIR CAR!!!!!

Also, like I have said repeatedly, WE don't know all the facts. What if you find out the woman knocking on the door was a drug addict?

Oh you silly goose. Of course you don't know what that person's intent is on the other side of the door, but why assume the worst when maybe, just maybe, they might be in need of help for knocking on your door so late. On one hand you make sense by saying that we don't know all the facts yet, but on the other you're saying that she should have stayed in the car when you don't know how badly she was injured. You say that you shouldn't go around knocking on doors unless it's life or death. It could be that she was bleeding out. It could be that she was experiencing major brain pain to the point where she had to get help to alleviate it. It certainly could have been life or death that lead to her knocking on that door.

And the point still stands that you should call the cops if you feel your life is in danger, AND if you have time. In the time that it took him to open his door and shoot her he could have called the cops by then. Just because you're scared doesn't mean that you can't call the cops. This is coming from a person with a natural fear and distrust of cops, but even then I'd call their ass in a situation like this before opening my door and firing any bullets. Hell, why open your door if you feel like you're in danger at all? If he was that scared he should have gotten to a safe place in his home, made sure anyone else in the house was in that place, and then called the cops before stepping outside and shooting her when she was walking away.
 
but, as you just suggested, how wary could they be if they didn't come to the door with a gun?

we do know that the person opened the door.

No, we don't know from the article posted if the person opened the door with a gun. We don't know that.

what kind of ****ing world is this if the logical consequence of knocking on a door is death? why would anyone bring children into a post-apocalyptic cesspool, like this? i know that my parents never instructed me to kill visitors.

Like I said...go knocking on doors at 2:30am and see what you get.

Oh you silly goose. Of course you don't know what that person's intent is on the other side of the door, but why assume the worst when maybe, just maybe, they might be in need of help for knocking on your door so late. On one hand you make sense by saying that we don't know all the facts yet, but on the other you're saying that she should have stayed in the car when you don't know how badly she was injured. You say that you shouldn't go around knocking on doors unless it's life or death. It could be that she was bleeding out. It could be that she was experiencing major brain pain to the point where she had to get help to alleviate it. It certainly could have been life or death that lead to her knocking on that door.

And the point still stands that you should call the cops if you feel your life is in danger, AND if you have time. In the time that it took him to open his door and shoot her he could have called the cops by then. Just because you're scared doesn't mean that you can't call the cops. This is coming from a person with a natural fear and distrust of cops, but even then I'd call their ass in a situation like this before opening my door and firing any bullets. Hell, why open your door if you feel like you're in danger at all? If he was that scared he should have gotten to a safe place in his home, made sure anyone else in the house was in that place, and then called the cops before stepping outside and shooting her when she was walking away.

Guess what. I don't give a ****. I'm scared because it 2:30am in the morning and this person on the porch has now scared me.

Again, point is...don't knock on anyone's door at 2:30am unless it is life or death because I (as the person on the other side of the door) don't have time to figure out your ********. Get the **** off my porch now or get shot!!!!That's your options.
 
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Charl, I know you're a woman, but I gotta hit you with this.
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Ya looking around for other articles all has a rehash of the same facts we already know. The only new fact I found was at first the police told the family her body was dumped then turned around and said she died on the mans porch.

So she may have been injured from the car wreck and was seeking assistance, her phone was dead and nothing was broken on the homeowners property.
 
Charl, I know you're a woman, but I gotta hit you with this.
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Naw, I don't play that. I'm not going to debate someone getting off my porch at 2:30am. There are myriad of reason why this person should have been better prepared for their own life's drama, but DO NOT bring that **** to my door at 2:30am. I don't care if you're ass is missing a limb.
 
So you say don't knock on the door unless it's life or death, but now you say that they have to get off the porch or get shot? I guess that life or death thing went out the window. Damn. That's even more cold blooded than Rick James.
 
lol...like I said...best be on the run from a serial killer because knocking on my door at 2:30 better be a circumstance of life or death.

So you say don't knock on the door unless it's life or death, but now you say that they have to get off the porch or get shot? I guess that life or death thing went out the window. Damn. That's even more cold blooded than Rick James.

I am saying that knocking on ANYONE'S door at 2:30am (the dead of night) is liable to make a normal person wary. For me, it's cause to get your ass hot off!

charl_huntress... all I can say is "WOW"

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Like I said....best be wary when knocking at 2:30am.
 
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You don't seem to get that there's a difference between being wary and answering the door with a gun (understandable) and just straight-up blowing the person away.
 
Would somebody please take the shovel out of Charl's hands? She's hitting mantle...
 
You don't seem to get that there's a difference between being wary and answering the door with a gun (understandable) and just straight-up blowing the person away.

How do we know that this person shot this person in cold-blood? We don't know. However, does anyone think that someone knocking/pounding/coming around someone's house in the dead of night (2:30am) is NOT something that WOULD make a normal person wary? Are you all such charitable good folk that you would just open your door at 2:30am????? REALLLY????

Again, my point was I CAN see this from the homeowner's perspective. I understand this because I have a home that has blind spaces and I can be scared because I don't know what's going on outside my windows at night when it's dark. Add this to 2:30am when I am sleep and thinking I am safe and my guard is going to go WAY up.

Again, not a good thing to knock on someone's door at 2:30am unless it is life or death.

Would somebody please take the shovel out of Charl's hands? She's hitting mantle...

Why don't you take it out of my hands?
 
How do we know that this person shot this person in cold-blood? We don't know. However, does anyone think that someone knocking/pounding/coming around someone's house in the dead of night (2:30am) is NOT something that WOULD make a normal person wary? Are you all such charitable good folk that would just open your door at 2:30am????? REALLLY????

Again, my point was I CAN see this from the homeowner's perspective. I understand this because I have a home that has blind spaces and I can be scared because I don't know what's going on outside my windows at night when it's dark. Add this to 2:30am when I am sleep and thinking I am safe and my guard is going to go WAY up.

Again, not a good thing to knock on someone's door at 2:30am unless it is life or death.



Why don't you take it out of my hands?

Who said anything about opening the door? I've been saying that you can simply ask them what they want while calling the cops. I wouldn't just open a door all willy nily. There are ways to protect yourself and stay on guard without going Gears of War on people.
 
Are you all such charitable good folk that you would just open your door at 2:30am????? REALLLY????

No, I wouldn't. I also wouldn't shoot them in the head.
 
And I am saying that if that person had a gun I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they thought they were in MORTAL JEOPARDY. Who knows what she said? We don't know? Who knows what they said? We don't know. My point is and will remain....if you knock on someone's door at that time of night they will be WARY. They may not ask questions. It needs to be damn serious to do this....because that is just dangerous.

No, I wouldn't. I also wouldn't shoot them in the head.

I don't know all the facts to say why this was done. I hope it was done because they thought something dire.
 
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I had a gif for you and then read the rules. You're on ignore until I decide I want to see your words again.
 
I had a gif for you and then read the rules. You're on ignore until I decide I want to see your words again.
That's not fair. You were already on my ignore list and I was kind enough to read what you had to say. :csad:
 
But that person is "pounding" on my door....they are already there. Why would I wait for the cops to get there if I think my life is in jeopardy? That's the point. YOU have no idea what the person on the other side of the door was thinking. You just think they should have waited for the cops. However, what if someone is "pounding" on your door at 2:30am in the morning and screaming God knows what? You just going to wait for the cops, E-Man?

Hell! Maybe they did call the cops, but that doesn't stop the pounding does it?
If someone if pounding on my door at 2:30 in the morning, the first thing I'd do is try to see who it is from a window. If I can't, than I'm going to ask questions from my side of the door. If the person says they need help, I'll call 911 for them and then let the cops and emergency crew figure it out. Chances are, I'm not opening the door. And, if I've got a gun, I'd let them know it but still, wouldn't be inclined to open the door. Bottom line, the homeowner handled this very wrong and an innocent woman is dead because of it.

Oh, and you don't need to be scared to shoot someone.
 

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