Another possible model of continuity for the X-Men Franchise - 6 universes

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    It's cool that we got two cinematic versions of Quicksilver... 3, if we count the one in "X-Men Origins".
     
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    It's always mattered to fans, just not to the writers unfortunately.
     
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    Well, they tried to do it until "First Class" (2011). "First Class" was designed and written to be a soft reboot. DOFP was an afterthought.
     
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    Absolutely ...... DOFP has got 2 versions of events in 1973, one version leads to the future we see at the beginning (and The Gifted seems to preced those events) ..... and then after the events of DFOP it leads to the future Logan wakes up in.
    Neither version of events in 1973 that follow on from First Class leads to the original trilogy, and then the ages of Jean and Angel in particular in those two sets of films make them being the same universe impossible as well.
    The fact it's the same actors playing the older characters need not come into it, It's the narrative we have to consider.

    Legion is in a world where the government are only just learning about mutants which sets it apart from the reboot universe and I see it as part of the OT timeline for that reason.
    The Wolverine, much as i dislike it and would happily write it off also seems to reference the events of The Last Stand with regards to the deaths of Jean and Charles so I'd sit that with the OT.

    Logan seems to be in a similar world to the OT with a few changes but not too much to ignore if you don't try and make it fit with DOFP

    The Deadpool films, until something says otherwise, I see as being in the reboot timeline, and for Wade to revisit the events of Origins:Wolverine with his time-hopping the only way I can see that happening and explaining the existence of another Wade in the past is if Deadpool's time-hopping created an alternate future from which came the pre-Deadpool Wade who worked alongside Logan, Sabretooth and Co, then after that created an alternate timeline Wade went back and stopped it by shooting alternate Wade.
    As for "Quicksilver" and "Emma" in Origins:Wolverine lets just write them off as similar but not the same characters, it's not explicitly stated is it?
    What that DP scene does do anyhow is remove the need to include Origins:Wolverine in the OT timeline and that works fine for me, and personally I wouldn't mind doing the same with The Wolverine but like I say there's arguments in favour of it being a follow on from The Last Stand.
     
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    Well, cool enough:

    In the Rogue's Cut, two sisters for Peter Maximoff/Quicksilver are referenced. That's great! Bingo.
    Indeed, in "X2" (Timeline Prime Alpha), there are two "Maximoff" persons listed on Stryker's files: Peter's sisters (mutant as well), who came into existence despite their brother had never been conceived - that will happen when the timeline is altered by Sebastian Shaw in various ways.
    Thus, in Timeline Prime Alpha, the DOFP Quicksilver was never born; Erik/Magneto had a speedster son with an unspecified woman in the late sixties (maybe 1969) whom I named: "Peter Lehnsherr". He is the Quicksilver featured on "X-Men Origins" (set in 1983).
    Eureka!

    "The Wolverine" is firmly placed in Timeline Two (the one following "First Class"), where an alternate version of "The Last Stand" did happen.
     
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    How so?
     
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    Good question.

    At the end of the Timeline One "Last Stand" (the original one), the X-Men were fully active and there was a sense of hope for Xavier's dream. It was a definitive happy ending.

    "The Wolverine" is on the same "destructive" path of DOFP (Timeline Two). The X-Men have disbanded. Wolverine is retired. Bad things are happening in the world. And then, in the mid-credits scene, we see the entire set-up of DOFP.

    Plus, Xavier has his body again - not the P. Xavier's body he had at the end of Timeline One "Last Stand" - so maybe in the slightly altered version of "The Last Stand" which occurred in Timeline Two, Xavier's body has not been "destroyed". Wolverine is just surprised to see him alive.
     
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