Ant-Man Ant-Man (2015): Rotten Tomatoes Watch/Predictions

[Darkraid]

Rotten Tomato scores can be very telling, the problem is usually they reach a high during these early reviews. If it levels out in the 70s then yeah it could be a very good movie.

Kick-Ass, Kingsmen, and Iron Man 3 were all in the 70s and they were all good movies.

However I'm getting the same feeling I did leading up to Amazing Spider-Man 2. A production that just seemed to keep doing everything wrong and mediocre trailers that leave an uneasy feeling in regards to humor. My guess is this movie levels out in the 50s. I hope not, I really really do, but I can't say I'm expecting anything more than that.

I'm sorry, but other than Wright leaving, there wasn't any production problems. I thought the trailers were great. I actually did feel happy after reading about the spoilers. That can't be said about ASM 2 or Avengers 2.

I was kinda disappointed with AOU after reading the spoilers.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Yes, I see, the same kind of bias something like Man of Steel suffered from. Because critics, as a collective, have an agenda against certain films, as we all know, that's just what they do, every year they the get together in their secret lair and unanimously decide to crap on one particular film. And they purposely try to ruin RT scores because, you know, conspiracy.

Maybe you should stop projecting your nonsense onto others. The only person babbling about "conspiracies" is you.

 

[jmc]

Just havin' some fun man, recalling the good ol' Captain America days.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

While on occasion I do believe there is a movement against some films, the way it is thrown around on the Hype you'd think every single bad or mediocre film had an agenda against it.

 

[kedrell]

You are going to have to explain the multiplier then. Because the movie had horrible legs. A clear sign of bad WOM.

A 2.4X is average not terrible, especially for a blockbuster which tend to be front-loaded practically by definition in the last decade and a half. It certainly isn't Marvel's leggiest movie by any means(that's GotG). And I wouldn't say TtDW was loved by most. Liked by most, I'd phrase it that way and that's pretty much universal for every MCU movie so far at a minimum with about half genuinely being loved by most. The fact that NO Marvel Studios film has dipped below a 2.35X(which still isn't truly terrible) is a testament to that. A 2.5X is dead average legs. Probably 2.3-2.7X is a good ballpark for what's the average range of legs with > than 2.7X being good legs and < 2.3X being poor legs. The MCU has 6 films to exceed that 2.7X(TA1, GotG, IM1, TWS, TFA, Thor1) and the other 5 fall into the average at worst category. You want terrible legs among blockbuster films?

MoS: 2.25X
XO:W: 2.115X
Watchmen: 1.97X
50 Shades of Grey: 1.95X
Twilight4: 2.03X
Twilight5: 2.07X
Twilight3: 2.08X
Anghulk: 2.12X
Green Lantern: 2.19X
Godzilla: 2.15X
Fast and the Furious4: 2.21X
TASM2: 2.21X
SM3: 2.22X
HP8: 2.25X
Fantastic Four2: 2.27X
X3: 2.28X

and so on and so forth. No MCU movie has ever had terrible legs. The only way of coming to that conclusion is by using a sliding scale and comparing them to each other. By normal movie standards they all had decent legs at least. IM3 is the lowest on that list with the 2.35X.

 

[yllum]

wow..i just saw the rating on RT.

I am surprised that it is in the 60s range.

I have only heard good things about the movie, many were even rave reviews.

what happen?

 

[BatsDC]

There's a lot of positive reviews yet to be added

 

[DarthSkywalker]

A 2.4X is average not terrible, especially for a blockbuster which tend to be front-loaded practically by definition in the last decade and a half. It certainly isn't Marvel's leggiest movie by any means(that's GotG). And I wouldn't say TtDW was loved by most. Liked by most, I'd phrase it that way and that's pretty much universal for every MCU movie so far at a minimum with about half genuinely being loved by most. The fact that NO Marvel Studios film has dipped below a 2.35X(which still isn't truly terrible) is a testament to that. A 2.5X is dead average legs. Probably 2.3-2.7X is a good ballpark for what's the average range of legs with > than 2.7X being good legs and < 2.3X being poor legs. The MCU has 6 films to exceed that 2.7X(TA1, GotG, IM1, TWS, TFA, Thor1) and the other 5 fall into the average at worst category. You want terrible legs among blockbuster films?

MoS: 2.25X
XO:W: 2.115X
Watchmen: 1.97X
50 Shades of Grey: 1.95X
Twilight4: 2.03X
Twilight5: 2.07X
Twilight3: 2.08X
Anghulk: 2.12X
Green Lantern: 2.19X
Godzilla: 2.15X
Fast and the Furious4: 2.21X
TASM2: 2.21X
SM3: 2.22X
HP8: 2.25X
Fantastic Four2: 2.27X
X3: 2.28X

and so on and so forth. No MCU movie has ever had terrible legs. The only way of coming to that conclusion is by using a sliding scale and comparing them to each other. By normal movie standards they all had decent legs at least. IM3 is the lowest on that list with the 2.35X.

TDW didn't open with a huge number. That is why it ended up with $206m and being front loaded is a poblem. So yes, if you are going to start out that low, it is terrible legs. HP8 has an all time opening and ended up with over a billion dollars at the box office.

Just for comparison, Batman Begins started with $48m and ended up with the same domestic gross, without 3D. That is a beloved movie, that spawned a crazy sequel.

 

[Silliminite]

64% right now.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/antman/

 

[Sharkboy]

I'm expecting high 50's low 60's, It's clear that this film lost something major with Edgar Wright left.

 

[PyroChamber]

It'll be sad if this movie doesn't get higher all because people automatically decided not to see it when Wright left. Has there ever been a time when a movie got great reviews but still wasn't high on RT?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Chances are, they didn't throw out Wright's script, but reworked. Considering how much time they had, I wonder if that is in fact a problem. I am definitely seeing this. The marketing has looked good to me. But I really don't want to walk out of the theater hoping they just let Edgar do his thing.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Has there ever been a time when a movie got great reviews but still wasn't high on RT?

What do you mean? Like movies with a rotten RT score, but great reviews spread out? Yeah, Man of Steel. I also think TASM2 had its fans.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

What actually surprised me with the embargo lifting yesterday was how few reviews actually were posted to RT. Typically there are a bunch of overseas reviews first due to most Marvel films releasing there early but that appears to have changed with Ant-Man since Marvel decided to open the movie in all territories next week within a few days of each other. Plus, the UK premiere was only yesterday as well so the bulk of the European reviews should start showing in the next few days.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

As Inside Out has proven, it is irrelevant if a film is well liked and has a broad audience. Frozen itself proved that, as it showed legs throughout the winter months, holding strong through Christmas, even as it came out in November. TDW just wasn't loved to that level. Heck, I have a hard time saying it was liked.

Inside Out only had Jurassic World to compete with, and on the latter's second weekend. TDW went up against CF and Frozen on its third and fourth weekends. Nobody's saying that TDW was anywhere near Frozen in it's reception, but it wasn't disliked either. It's second week drop was comparable to most superhero films, where as those with bad WOM tend to have 60+% drops.

 

[BatsDC]

It bothers me that some reviews basically amount to "Edgar would have been better"

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Inside Out only had Jurassic World to compete with, and on the latter's second weekend. TDW went up against CF and Frozen on its third and fourth weekends. Nobody's saying that TDW was anywhere near Frozen in it's reception, but it wasn't disliked either. It's second week drop was comparable to most superhero films, where as those with bad WOM tend to have 60+% drops.

TDW had no competition its second weekend. The Best Man Holiday was it big competition.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2013&wknd=46&p=.htm

A perfect comparison is Skyfall, that came out a year before and had to deal with Twilight in its second weekend. It opened with $88m and made over $300m domestically in the same time period. Did that with no 3D.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=bond23.htm

That it died once it got competition is telling. It wasn't loved. It only made $206m in 2013 money, with 3D. TWS, GotG, those were loved. Skyfall was loved.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

TDW had no competition its second weekend. The Best Man Holiday was it big competition.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2013&wknd=46&p=.htm

A perfect comparison is Skyfall, that came out a year before and had to deal with Twilight in its second weekend. It opened with $88m and made over $300m domestically in the same time period. Did that with no 3D.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=bond23.htm

That it died once it got competition is telling. It wasn't loved. It only made $206m in 2013 money, with 3D. TWS, GotG, those were loved. Skyfall was loved.

Your Skyfall analogy is flawed because it only went up against BD2, and it wouldn't have any other competition until DoS several weeks later. CF is superior to BD2 opening-wise and legs-wise, and you're missing a counterpart to Frozen, which essentially made TDW a third wheel to two monsters on back-to-back weeks.

 

[psylockolussus]

Wow 64% this early? This would probably end up getting a rotten rating. I kinda got the vibe seeing the jokes from the trailers/TV spots. They just feel off.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Your Skyfall analogy is flawed because it only went up against BD2, and it wouldn't have any other competition until DoS several weeks later. CF is superior to BD2 opening-wise and legs-wise, and you're missing a counterpart to Frozen, which essentially made TDW a third wheel to two monsters on back-to-back weeks.

You do realize that TDW dropped more in its second weekend with 3D and no competition then Skyfall did against Twilight right?

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=thor2.htm

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=bond23.htm

Even if we use your argument, explain if TDW was well recieved that it only made $36m its second weekend, while Skyfall made $41m even with Twilight coming out. And then the third weekend for Thor dropped another 61%, while Skyfall dropped only 13%.

So by the end of their third weekends, TDW had $167m, where Skyfall had $221m. Skyfall had two weeks of Twilight at that point, while TDW had one of Hunger Games. Skyfall was already $54m ahead.

Note, Frozen didn't come out until the 4th weekend. So it was already way behind something like Skyfall before Frozen ever came out.

 

[Darkraid]

Wow 64% this early? This would probably end up getting a rotten rating. I kinda got the vibe seeing the jokes from the trailers/TV spots. They just feel off.

No it won't. There are tons of positive reviews not added yet.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No it won't. There are tons of positive reviews not added yet.

Are we sure these positive reviews are from RT critics?

 

[Darkraid]

Are we sure these positive reviews are from RT critics?

No, but isn't it too early to say that the movie will be rotten? The movie will only open next week for God's sake.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No, but isn't it too early to say that the movie will be rotten? The movie will only open next week for God's sake.

Well most review will be out next week. I think it is too early to call anything, but the trend on RT is for movies to go down after the first 20-30, rather then go up.

 

[Dyson]

I'm going to be bummed if this ends up in rotten territory.