Age of Ultron Avengers 2: Rotten Tomato Watch

[DarthSkywalker]

Darth: He was pretty much just out of the fridge (see the end of Cap 1, TA takes place pretty close to that). Also he was a soldier in WWII, there wasnt any mixed martial arts/parkour training.

Cap is seen hitting a boxing bag in The Avengers. Thats all the fight style he really had. That and throwing his shield. He was outmatched in terms of fighting styles. It was punch/kick/jump/flip 1940s style.

Bucky wouldve done better than Cap in TA if he was there for sure but he was working off and on since he was found/new arm added.

Yeah, but what happened to the general way he fought in TFA? He is lagging behind that in TA for the most part. His best moment is CGI cape. Also, he most have received some sort of training considering how he fights Loki. By choreography aside, he uses more modern techniques.

 

[Best]

I'm shocked at how vocal the critics are with the negatives. At least in comparison to the IM3/Thor 2 days. Unfair tbh.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Now that I think about it, they made a big deal about Tony and Steve figuring out Loki's next move, but did it really matter? They didn't do much to prevent the battle from starting in the first place, and once the invasion started they would have known and gone there anyway.

I love The Avengers, but it's definitely a movie that lives off spectacle and ooh moments. It looks like AoU is the same but people aren't giving it as much leeway.

Well at that point they thought they could stop Loki 'cause they didn't expect the portal to be able to protect itself so of course to them it did matter at that point in the movie. Besides if they got to the city too late the Chitauri would have spread outside the city and it would have been almost impossible to stop them, they made a big deal about not letting any of the chitauri go outside the perimeter.

 

[TheVision]

Darth: When he fought Loki he just punched and kicked him. It wasnt some modern techniques. If so, it was very basic stuff.

Anyway, I see his fighting styles as a progression from TFA to TA to TWS. Obviously in the 1940s they didnt fight like you would in 2012 or 2014.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah but embracing his hulk side doesn't make sense if you cut his talk with Tony.

You just proved that you really don't understand this. Using your logic I could say "IM1 stalls because from the point he comes back home to when he attacks the terrorists nothing really happened other than building the suit" I mean when you sum it up like that you can make any movie sound stiff and slow but just like in IM, there are a lot of character relationships and development in the 2nd act of TA. The only real difference is that IM1 has a lot more sets in this section of the movie and TA only has one(the hellicarrier), while this makes Iron Man more visually dynamic than Avengers that doesn't mean that the latter wasn't moving the plot forward.

No I understand perfectly fine.

Your use of IM there is dishonest, because I already pointed out what happens and more importantly the narrative momentum behind it. The story is being driven forward at all times. This is why editors and directors cut good scenes all the time. Because they don't serve the story.

What plots are moved forward in TA second act. Tell me.

And Avengers doesn't do this? The dialogue in this act is entirely related to the plot and like I explained earlier it established character relationships and developed characters. I'll repeat it again: Bruce embracing his Hulk side, Tony and Bruce's friendship, the effect of Coulson's death in Tony and Cap, Natasha's backstory & development, Steve and Tony's opposing ideals, SHIELD being established as having a different/darker agenda, Thor's guilt over Loki's plans, etc. Not only are this things crucial to a lot of stuff that happens in the 3rd act but some are even relevant to some phase 2 movies, I just can't believe you think this entire chunk of the movie is disposable.

You seem to think that if you change the second act to be more plot oriented and dynamic, that means you have to get rid of all the information it gives you. You don't. You can still have Tony and Bruce form a friendship or the team clashing, in a better way. Like the Nat and Loki scene.

They literally ask Thor what he is prepared to do, and then nothing happens. He fights Loki later for a few seconds, slams him down and doesn't show any indication he is willing to kill Loki to save Earth. Completely pointless.

And Coulson's death is one of the cheapest things I could imagine.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Darth: When he fought Loki he just punched and kicked him. It wasnt some modern techniques. If so, it was very basic stuff.

Anyway, I see his fighting styles as a progression from TFA to TA to TWS. Obviously in the 1940s they didnt fight like you would in 2012 or 2014.

I can't imagine a 1940s US soldier dodging in that manner, or throwing that kick. If 1940s boxing is Cap's base, he should be ducking, moving and moving inside, head down.

 

[Thoix]

I'm shocked at how vocal the critics are with the negatives. At least in comparison to the IM3/Thor 2 days. Unfair tbh.

The only thing that is truly shocking is how they weren't like this with The Avengers, which still shocks me to this day. I'm not saying it's a bad film, but it certainly isn't a great one.

 

[TheVision]

Darth: Well I dont think it was just plain boxing but general combat moves as opposed to the visibly modern kind thats in TWS. I remember him punching then doing a little kick in that Loki fight. It def wasnt gonna be like a Bourne Identity type battle anyway.

My point here is you have to put it in context to Cap being found, then just sticking with what he knew already in TA. He wasnt fighting martial arts guys, he was fighting aliens. Its gonna look different than if he fights Batroc.

 

[WBwins]

The only thing that is truly shocking is how they weren't like this with The Avengers, which still shocks me to this day. I'm not saying it's a bad film, but it certainly isn't a great one.

Novelty factor.Its faded off now though

 

[TheVision]

Trolling out the ***. smh

 

[WBwins]

Wasnt a bad film by the way.Just not as enjoyable as the 1st.

 

[The Joker]

Wasnt a bad film by the way.Just not as enjoyable as the 1st.

I agree. Very good movie, plenty to enjoy, but not as good as the first. A lot of it felt like more of the same from the first movie, only with an inferior villain, and done in an inferior way to the first.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

No I understand perfectly fine.

Your use of IM there is dishonest, because I already pointed out what happens and more importantly the narrative momentum behind it. The story is being driven forward at all times. This is why editors and directors cut good scenes all the time. Because they don't serve the story.

What plots are moved forward in TA second act. Tell me.

No, you just described what happens and failed to explain how exactly it is better than avengers other than saying "this is better than avengers"

I already explained several times the kind of development and importance of the scenes in the 2nd act of TA, so its pointless to keep repeating this if you don't understand what "moving the plot forward" means(no it doesn't mean physically move the actors from one set to the other) and like I've said a million times before, if you cut the 2nd act then most of the third act(and plot points in other films) would feel like random stuff happening without any set-up, the fact that you don't appreciate Natasha's introduction proves that you don't seem to notice this kind of stuff.

You seem to think that if you change the second act to be more plot oriented and dynamic, that means you have to get rid of all the information it gives you. You don't. You can still have Tony and Bruce form a friendship or the team clashing, in a better way. Like the Nat and Loki scene.

Nope that's not true and that wasn't even your original argument, you said the film stalled in the second act and it really didn't. You use the word information as if the 2nd act was just exposition when in fact it was mostly character relationships and development. Could this section of the film be more dynamic? Of course it could but that wasn't your original argument, in fact you didn't even mention it until I brought it up.

 

[Tony Stark]

yeah I don't see how anyone could look at the third act and not see it as resolving issues that were brought up in the first two acts.

 

[starscream22]

Dear Marvel fans,

I'm a pretty hardcore DC fan, and I just saw Age of Ultron, so believe me when I say that 79% on RT is bull-**** ! That movie was actually better than Avengers - better characters/performances, better action and better pacing-
Really, it should have cracked 85-90% easily !

Anyway, I feel bad for all you Marvel fans out there because you are almost experiencing what I did when Man of steel came out = getting the shaft from the critics, of course Man of Steel was incredibly polarizing, whereas this film probably won't be). Anyway, I'm sure you'll all enjoy Age of Ultron, don't be put off by the RT score, it does not reflect the quality of the movie - hell, it's great entertainment.

Yeah, it's cool when Critics, fans and GA are all on the same page but just like with MOS it's not a prerequisite. MOS was 2013's CBM of the year for me so fickle critics won't likely change my opinion or excitement anytime soon.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

I have major problems with this film, but no way is it below an 80% if Thor and IM3 were high 70s.

It's just getting compared with it's first one, which is not good criticism.

IW will probably get even less at this rate, unless it's dramatically different.

 

[Tony Stark]

I can't think of that blond haired video blogger on YouTube, that does all the comic book reviews. She had a very good post the other week when the reviews started pouring in that for alot of the critics, they are sick of comic book movies, but the audiences clearly are not sick of them.

Even though I've yet to see the film, I understand the folks who are saying "too much like the first", in that there may not be alot of new ground on this movie. I find this somewhat amusing because I remember all the people when Avengers came out saying "not a game changer, nothing out of the ordinary" when clearly that was not the case.

When something really fresh comes out like GOTG, or TWS, or Avengers or Dark Knight, the critics respond in kind. But films like TASM2, MoS, and Thor TDW, that have pacing problems, will get slammed even harder where they might get a pass in the past.

Case in point, even though I didn't care for MoS, I would agree with anyone that it was far better than Superman Returns. Superman Returns got a 76% certified fresh rating. But you have to look at when it was released. Many people were upset with X3, which was the other tentpole Superhero movie that summer, and there just weren't as many CBM's released at the time, and critics were more forgiving.

You can also thank Bayformers for souring critics taste to these films. I see a big difference with the way Whedon and others have handled these films, but many of the critics see all of this as a bunch of white noise.

Again, I'm not making excuses for this movie but alot of these critics would far more prefer to see films like "12 Years a Slave" than they would Avengers. So if things don't fire on all cylinders they are going to be more critical.

 

[Iceman]

78%
Average Rating: 7.3/10
Reviews Counted: 79
Fresh: 62
Rotten: 17

 

[Marvolo]

I really wish Marvel would stop releasing their damn films in other countries a week before the US. I know the domestic market isn't what it used to be but damn, the studios are in the U.S. and they benefit from that to some degree. With every one of their films I feel like the U.S. is the red headed step child. While the rest of the world and critics are watching and discussing the film the U.S. fan base is being forced to set here twiddling our thumbs.

 

[BigThor]

I really can't comment on that yet, though. I may agree with you come Thurs! But, between Thor, Avengers, and TDW, Thor to this point has not had a grea display of fighting style, skill, or truly power. We get isolated bits and pieces of his power being well displayed, but not consistently.

True story, I hope AOU changes this trend.

 

[Jumpman]

I have major problems with this film, but no way is it below an 80% if Thor and IM3 were high 70s.

It's just getting compared with it's first one, which is not good criticism.

IW will probably get even less at this rate, unless it's dramatically different.

Oh, this film better get a higher RT rating than IRON MAN THREE. Just to reiterate, screw that damn film.

 

[Tony Stark]

I'll be curious to see the fighting styles in AoU, but actually I thought Thor's best fighting style was when he fought the Jotuns in Thor 1, where he's twirling the hammer around and taking on multiple Frost Giants at once. They really took out alot of the hammer spinning moves in the other movies, and I want to know why they didn't ever go back to it, that was so much in line with the comics, especially the early runs.

 

[mace1]

The new marvel show called powers is hardcore RATED R BY THE WAY.

Powers (TV Series 2015– ) - IMDb
Rating: 7.2/10


Powers: Season 1 - Rotten Tomatoes
Rating: 50%
Average Rating: 5.5/10
Audience
67%
LIKED IT
Average rating: 3.8/10



TV VS MOVIES
The marvel and dc tv shows tend to have stronger stories and stronger character
development then dc and marvel movies.
If you look at the critics and audience ratings for the tv shows and
movies, tv is better rated.
So anyone says that movies are better then tv are just really
committed mostly or only to movies and they have brainwashed
themselves to believing that movies are better so they don't have to
watch the tv shows.
If movies are your thing first,fine,but don't be delusional people.
Tv on average is doing a better job.



Agents of shield had a great first season and anyone that says no,do not know what they are talking about because i seen the FIRST season recently.


Now compare the movie and tv ratings.


Remember for TOMATOMETER and AUDIENCE

55% to 64%- means good/ 3 stars
65% to 74%- means very good/ 3 1/2 stars
75% and up is great to excellent/4 stars to 5 stars

For imdb
5.5 to 6.4/10- means good/ 3 stars
6.5 to 7.4/10- means very good/ 3 1/2 stars
7.5/10 and up is great to excellent/4 stars to 5 stars




Overall Marvel/DC Rotten Tomatoes Ratings (Highest to Lowest)



Spider-Man 2 / The Dark Knight (94%)
Iron Man / Superman (93%)
The Avengers / Guardians of the Galaxy (92%)
X-Men: Days of Future Past (91%)
Superman II / Spider-Man / Captain America: The Winter Soldier (89%)
The Dark Knight Rises (88%)
X2: X-Men United / X-Men: First Class (87%)
Batman Begins (85%)
X-Men (82%)
Batman Returns (81%)
Captain America: The First Avenger (79%)
Iron Man 3 (78%)
Thor (77%)

Superman Returns (76%)
The Amazing Spider-Man / Iron Man 2 (73%)
Batman (71%)
The Wolverine (69%)
The Incredible Hulk (67%)
Thor: The Dark World / Watchmen (65%)
Spider-Man 3 (63%)
Hulk (62%)
Blade II (59%)
X-Men: The Last Stand (57%)
Man of Steel (56%)
Blade (55%)
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (53%)
Daredevil (45%)
Batman Forever (41%)
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (38%)
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (37%)
The Punisher (29%)
Fantastic Four / Punisher: War Zone (27%)
Ghost Rider / Blade: Trinity / Green Lantern / Superman III (26%)
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance (18%)
Batman & Robin / Jonah Hex (12%)
Elektra (10%)
Catwoman / Superman IV: The Quest for Peace (9%)



AND

Arrow: Season 1 - Rotten Tomatoes
Arrow: Season 1 (2012-2013)
TOMATOMETER
86%
AUDIENCE SCORE
88%
Liked it

Arrow: Season 2 (2013-2014)
TOMATOMETER
100%
AUDIENCE SCORE
94%
Liked it


Arrow: Season 3 (2014-2015)
TOMATOMETER
100%
AUDIENCE SCORE
94%
Liked it



Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 1 - Rotten Tomatoes
TOMATOMETER
86%
AUDIENCE SCORE
72%
Liked it




Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 2 - Rotten Tomatoes
TOMATOMETER
92%
AUDIENCE SCORE
87%
Liked it



Marvel's Agent Carter: Season 1 - Rotten Tomatoes
TOMATOMETER
97%
AUDIENCE SCORE
89%
Liked it



Constantine: Season 1 - Rotten Tomatoes
TOMATOMETER
72%
AUDIENCE SCORE
91%



The Flash: Season 1 - Rotten Tomatoes
TOMATOMETER
96%
AUDIENCE SCORE
89%
Liked it





Gotham: Season 1 - Rotten Tomatoes
TOMATOMETER
90%
AUDIENCE SCORE
80%
Liked it



Other ratings


The Flash (TV Series 2014– ) - IMDb
Rating: 8.2/10

Arrow (TV Series 2012– ) - IMDb
Rating: 8.2/10


Constantine (TV Series 2014– ) - IMDb
Rating: 7.7/10


Gotham (TV Series 2014– ) - IMDb
Rating: 8.1/10



Agents of SHIELD - IMDb
Rating: 7.5/10


Agent Carter (TV Series 2015– ) - IMDb
Rating: 8.4/10


Other marvel and dc shows

Powers: Season 1 (2015)
TOMATOMETER
50%
AUDIENCE SCORE
64%
Liked it



Powers (TV Series 2015– ) - IMDb
Rating: 7.3/10



iZombie (TV Series 2015– ) - IMDb
Rating: 8/10


iZombie: Season 1 - Rotten Tomatoes
TOMATOMETER
91%
AUDIENCE SCORE
80%
Liked it



These may change later
Daredevil (TV Series 2015– ) - IMDb
Rating: 9.2/10
This was a 9.6/10 before.


These may change later
Marvel's Daredevil: Season 1 - Rotten Tomatoes
TOMATOMETER
98%
AUDIENCE SCORE
97%
Liked it





Updates
Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 2 - Rotten Tomatoes
TOMATOMETER
94%
Average rating

Constantine (TV Series 2014– ) - IMDb
Rating: 7.6/10




Thor: The Dark World - Rotten Tomatoes
TOMATOMETER
Rating: 66%
AUDIENCE SCORE
Liked it
78%

The Incredible Hulk - Rotten Tomatoes
TOMATOMETER
Rating: 67%
AUDIENCE SCORE
Liked it
72%


The Incredible Hulk (2008) - IMDb
Rating: 6.9/10

Thor: The Dark World (2013) - IMDb
Rating: 7.1/10

 

[Micromind]

The new marvel show called powers is hardcore RATED R BY THE WAY.

Powers (TV Series 2015– ) - IMDb
Rating: 7.2/10


Powers: Season 1 - Rotten Tomatoes
Rating: 50%
Average Rating: 5.5/10
Audience
67%
LIKED IT
Average rating: 3.8/10

Uh ... Powers series is produced by Sony Entertainment for PlayStation network, it has nothing to do with Marvel.

 

[mace1]

Uh ... Powers series is produced by Sony Entertainment for PlayStation network, it has nothing to do with Marvel.

It's not a mcu tv show but powers is FROM MARVEL JUST LIKE IZOMBIE IS FROM DC.

Powers is an American online streaming series adaptation of the Powers comic book series published by Marvel Comics under their Icon Comics imprint. The PlayStation Network's first scripted original programming, the series premiered on March 10, 2015. The first two episodes of the series were written by Charlie Huston and directed by David Slade. The first three episodes were released on March 10, 2015 on the PlayStation Network. The pilot episode is available for free on YouTube and Crackle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_(PlayStation_Network_TV_series)


List of television series based on Marvel Comics


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_series_based_on_Marvel_Comics




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