Ant-Man: Who's Your Favourite?

[WolfCypher]

I didn't find Eric that funny or useful.
I just don't care for Lang at all.
By default, the original.

 

[The Question]

The degree to which previously existing mythology is still canon in both the DCU and the MU is debatable. Marvel, for example, has wholesale retconned certain aspects of the stories of Hercules and Ares to make them more heroic, and the characterizations of most mythological characters in the DCU and MU conflict wildly with who they were as myths.

I got no problem with treason. Admittedly, I don't know exactly what you're referring to here, but in general, the word "treason" is neutral to me. Some treason is good. Some treason is bad.

But see, that's the thing about comics. Every good guy gets one freebie evil-villain phase. Comes with the territory. Totally forgivable, because of the cosmic-level powers and threats that these guys have to deal with. But Hank was just a wife-beating *****ebag.

First of all, they're both crazy. Second of all, terrorism is like treason; the goodness or evilness of it is in the eye of the beholder. I can point to quite a few "terrorists" whose motivations, at the very least, I agree with. There have even been terrorists in history whose actions I agree with. For example, the action of the American colonists during the revolution are commendable (although their motivations were ridiculous.) Third and finally, they were raised by a psychotic evil supervillain. What do you expect?

Since when did alcoholism descend to being on the same moral level as beating the **** out of your wife?

Which is entirely out of his control.

First, Zemo was a Nazi. Second, I don't see how distrusting "reformed" Nazi psychos is anywhere near as bad as wife-beating.

I'm not trying to argue that all of those are as bad or worse than Hank's sins. Merely that people harp on Hank for his issues when everyone in The Avengers is kind of ****ed up.

 

[Aristotle]

I assume you hate Spider-Man just as much for being a wifebeating *****ebag too, then.

First of all, after all the stupid-ass retcons Spidey has had, you don't even know that happened. Second of all, I don't know much about his history, actually. Feel free to tell me all about his wife-beatery, and I may very well come to that opinion. Spider-Man, as a character, is someone I don't give a **** about, except as an ancillary snark-talker in other peoples' comic books. I just really can't bring myself to read his books, except those rare occasions when he becomes a secondary character in his own book, like the runup to Civil War.

Ages of Thunder and Reign of Blood have effectively made Thor as violent as any of his myths would indicate. Like, breaking-giants'-heads-open-with-Mjolnir violent. And it's made all of the Asgardians huge a**holes, at least in ancient times, too.

Of course they were violent. They were gods fighting wars. I do not judge superheroes for being violent. It's their job to be violent. And as for them being huge *******s or whatever, hey, it was a different time. Things change. Also, did he beat his wife?

 

[Aristotle]

I'm not trying to argue that all of those are as bad or worse than Hank's sins. Merely that people harp on Hank for his issues when everyone in The Avengers is kind of ****ed up.

Oh yeah, man, I'll agree to that. Remember, you're talking to the guy who has a grudge against the entire Marvel Universe for being kind of ****ed up.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

First of all, after all the stupid-ass retcons Spidey has had, you don't even know that happened. Second of all, I don't know much about his history, actually. Feel free to tell me all about his wife-beatery, and I may very well come to that opinion. Spider-Man, as a character, is someone I don't give a **** about, except as an ancillary snark-talker in other peoples' comic books. I just really can't bring myself to read his books, except those rare occasions when he becomes a secondary character in his own book, like the runup to Civil War.

Well, he hit MJ under almost identical circumstances to Hank and Jan's incident, then he tried to kill her due to a post-hypnotic suggestion. His clone saved her from him. The only difference is that people think Hank is a horrible person for it because people revisit it every five goddamn minutes, whereas Peter is viewed as a swell guy because it's swept under the rug for him. I'm not personally mad at you for that, by the way; it's just a double-standard that irritates the hell out of me in general.

Of course they were violent. They were gods fighting wars. I do not judge superheroes for being violent. It's their job to be violent. And as for them being huge *******s or whatever, hey, it was a different time. Things change. Also, did he beat his wife?

Yeah, I know all that. You said the degree to which the myths are relevant is not known, so I said that they're pretty relevant--at least the parts the Question mentioned--because of those recent one-shots.

And Thor's fought both Sif and the Enchantress, one of whom is his on/off girlfriend and the other of whom was his wife in a reality that was wiped away but Thor still has memories of. So I guess if you want to count that as wifebeating, you could.

 

[Muze]

I assume you hate Spider-Man just as much for being a wifebeating *****ebag too, then.

Ages of Thunder and Reign of Blood have effectively made Thor as violent as any of his myths would indicate. Like, breaking-giants'-heads-open-with-Mjolnir violent. And it's made all of the Asgardians huge a**holes, at least in ancient times, too.

big difference is that the most interesting thing about Pym is that he's a loser. Spider-Man and Thor have a lot more going on to distract from any screw-ups they've made. you name Pym's defining moments and i'll show you how they relate to him being an absolute failure. his origin is about him trying to get back at the colleagues who considered him a joke by making a big discovery. how did that end? him being shrunken and trapped in an ant-hill. do you see the message within that story? btw, he admitted that it was a bad idea at the end of the story. him being brought back was an act of desperation; a risky attempt to create Marvel's version of the Atom. that's why Eric O'Grady is his superior. he was created with a tongue-in-cheek acknowledgement that there's nothing special about being an ant-man. Pym was a joke as Ant-man. that's why he became Giant-Man. duhhh.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Unless you count Ultron. And in that case, your kid turning out to be a mass murdering militant Darwinist with an Oedipal Complex wouldn't exactly make you a nominee for father of the year.

Touche' t:

 

[Mr. Green]

The Iredeemable Ant-Man.

HANDS DOWN.