Anyone else annoyed at how DC treats its characters?

[Arkady Rossovich]

Im not really annoyed,because this is something that DC does not really do often with its characters.

 

[Ben Urich]

As crappy as DC treat their characters sometimes, Marvel are much worse.

 

[XwolverineX]

**** Marvel, they ruined Spider-man, **** them.

 

[The Batman]

And really, they didn't do anything to the other Ghost Rider or Spider Women. They just didn't use them. They didn't kill them off of screw them over in other ways.

Exactly.

 

[KingOfDreams]

I think Marvel treats thier characters way worse than DC does.

 

[Darthphere]

And really, they didn't do anything to the other Ghost Rider or Spider Women. They just didn't use them. They didn't kill them off of screw them over in other ways.

Yeah, but I rather have that than killing them off, because at least theyre available when the right pitch comes along.

 

[Hush]

I think that DC treats its characters fairly decent. They are just bringing almost all the heroes down for a bit to a dare I say, Marvel street level, as soon as this is done I imagine we will go back to the status quo and the Universe will be set fine. The changes will become things that in time we will all say " Ahh that makes a bit more sense now." Just me though.

 

[Tropico]

1. Sure they're well written...but they're not TOP sellers. Manhunter being barely saved from the chopping block only proves my point.

What point? That they don't have good writers? Are you implying that if they kill Manhunter/Mark Shaw they'll get a boost in sales or that they'll do it when their sales slip? Oh, wait! They already slipped and Shaw is still alive!! To me, getting recognition from OUTSIDE the comic community is a sign of good writing. What IS your point in this case? That DC will get rid of the previous Manhunter so that the current one can get a boost in sales?

2. The same Spider-Woman and Ghost Rider that Marvel decided were the classic versions and decided to revive those characters, after they decided not to use their successors. They didnt just make yet ANOTHER Spider-Woman or Ghost Rider when all people wanted were the originals to be brought back.

Actually, the "people" didn't ask for the classic versions. Spider Woman was "revived" thanks to Bendis. Blaze/GR was brought back because there's an upcoming movie that uses that version of the character. The majority of the people I've seen talk about GR in threads prefer Ketch to Blaze. Look around the DCU and you'll see a bunch of obscure characters that have been dug up and used in spectacular ways.

3. The fact that they decided to focus a new firestorm book on jason instead of ronnie signifies that...he was getting rid of. Remember, Dc has been planning IC and everything before it years in advanced. Jason getting the book was only setup for ronnie's death in identity crisis

Is that speculation I see? I'm a Firestorm fan and I know the growing pains the new title had to go through. Yes, DC felt that the previous Firestorm concept wouldn't fly and wanted a new direction with it. They didn't think they had to get rid of Ronnie to do it. Why did they do it later? I don't know, there's a very cool vibe of old and new in the comic now that could have used Ronnie. I wouldn't be surprised if Ronnie was still salvageable; I've grown to accept (and even like) Jason after he met with Ronnie.

4. Who said anyone was going back to marvel? Dc's line is still superior to marvels, and their latest civil war fumble shows they've a long way to go. NO ONE in this thread said "I'm gonna only read marvel now!"

I didn't say that people would be Marvel exclusive, but comparing DC's tratment of characters to Marvel's is a tell-tale that either your heart or your mind is currently with Marvel. DC is still in the midst of events and that's always an unstable time in any comic company. Are they fumbling the ball in some courts? Sure, they are. But that's ALWAYS happening in some capacity or other. It'll always be my opinion that DC gives more respect to their characters than their competition, you're entitled to disagree. That's all I'm doing: disagreeing.

 

[trustyside-kick]

One thing I don't think was mentioned here yet...Jason Todd got ****ed over. There, I said it.

 

[Darthphere]

Blaze/GR was brought back because there's an upcoming movie that uses that version of the character. The majority of the people I've seen talk about GR in threads prefer Ketch to Blaze. Look around the DCU and you'll see a bunch of obscure characters that have been dug up and used in spectacular ways.

Hilarious. First, im pretty sure the Ennis mini was made before the movie was even announced, or shortly before. And second, I have no idea what threads youre reading regarding the Ketch/Blaze thing.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Even if the Ennis mini weren't made before the movie were announced, Hammer Lane was made well before the movie was even conceived in its current state, and that featured Blaze. Johnny Blaze is the recognized Ghost Rider, plain and simple. I myself prefer Dan Ketch, but apparently everyone and their mom loves Blaze, so Marvel's giving the majority what they want. Provided Way gives some kind of explanation for Dan Ketch and Noble Kale down the line, the only real complaint I'll have about the current series is that they're using some newfangled Satan character instead of Mephisto.

 

[Keyser Soze]

One thing I don't think was mentioned here yet...Jason Todd got ****ed over. There, I said it.

The very fact that Jason Todd is alive in the first place is effing him over. And it takes the impact away from one of the most powerful Batman stories ever, as well as undoing one of The Joker's most notorious deeds.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

You forgot "as well as bringing back one of the most useless and ****ty characters in the history of comics for no reason."

 

[The Question]

The very fact that Jason Todd is alive in the first place is effing him over. And it takes the impact away from one of the most powerful Batman stories ever, as well as undoing one of The Joker's most notorious deeds.

Yeah. There was a comic where it showed the inside of The Joker's hideout. There, he had a Robin costume on display just like Batman does in the Batcave, with a plaque right under it saying "The day I won." That would be pretty meaningless now.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe he'll change it to, "The day I would've won, if it weren't for that pesky kid and his fists o' doom."

 

[The Question]

His name is Emoboy Prime.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I refuse to dignify him with a name.

 

[The Question]

Emoboy Prime is hardly what I'd call a dignified name. But it his true title.

 

[The Batman]

What point? That they don't have good writers? Are you implying that if they kill Manhunter/Mark Shaw they'll get a boost in sales or that they'll do it when their sales slip? Oh, wait! They already slipped and Shaw is still alive!! To me, getting recognition from OUTSIDE the comic community is a sign of good writing. What IS your point in this case? That DC will get rid of the previous Manhunter so that the current one can get a boost in sales?



Actually, the "people" didn't ask for the classic versions. Spider Woman was "revived" thanks to Bendis. Blaze/GR was brought back because there's an upcoming movie that uses that version of the character. The majority of the people I've seen talk about GR in threads prefer Ketch to Blaze. Look around the DCU and you'll see a bunch of obscure characters that have been dug up and used in spectacular ways.



Is that speculation I see? I'm a Firestorm fan and I know the growing pains the new title had to go through. Yes, DC felt that the previous Firestorm concept wouldn't fly and wanted a new direction with it. They didn't think they had to get rid of Ronnie to do it. Why did they do it later? I don't know, there's a very cool vibe of old and new in the comic now that could have used Ronnie. I wouldn't be surprised if Ronnie was still salvageable; I've grown to accept (and even like) Jason after he met with Ronnie.



I didn't say that people would be Marvel exclusive, but comparing DC's tratment of characters to Marvel's is a tell-tale that either your heart or your mind is currently with Marvel. DC is still in the midst of events and that's always an unstable time in any comic company. Are they fumbling the ball in some courts? Sure, they are. But that's ALWAYS happening in some capacity or other. It'll always be my opinion that DC gives more respect to their characters than their competition, you're entitled to disagree. That's all I'm doing: disagreeing.

1. My point is that, IMO, Manhunter is not doing well because, DC dosent try to market manhunter as an important character. No one's talking about manhunters legacy. You brought it up as an example of a good DC book outside the trinity. I'm saying that, while it may be good, manhunter isnt really making an impact on the DCU, sales wise or character wise, because thats how DC does things.

2. How many times have fanboys asked for a Blade series? Or Moon Knight? Or a revival of a character that was popular way back? And look what marvels doing. We've got a new Moon Knight book, a new blade book, Iron Fist is coming back and brubakers writing him. Sure, Catman becoming a badass was cool...but no one asked for it. People wanted to see a new Ronnie Raymond series. Or maybe Ray getting used more. How about Ted Kord having his own series. But, what does DC do? They replace these characters with new ones, some that arent interesting at all.

3. i dont see it as speculation. Didio has said many times theyve been planning IC and its tie ins for a while. Its not a stretch to believe that DC went "We'll bring in a new firestorm,then get rid of the old one later on".

4. I'm merely commenting that DC does not treat its lower tier characters directly. This is one area where Marvel is better at. It feels like many of their lower tier actually get some direction from some pretty big names. Geoff Johns always says he wants to write stuff like Nightwing and Aquaman, so why is it they were still suffering from no big names and no attention directed to the book? Meanwhile, Moon Knight gets a known novelist, Spider-Woman is being written by marvels top writer, and fan favorite brubakers writing iron fist

 

[Tropico]

1. My point is that, IMO, Manhunter is not doing well because, DC dosent try to market manhunter as an important character...>snip<

I thought the point was that DC gets rid of characters to make their "replacement" more popular. Manhunter has gotten about as much marketing as other titles, more so than others. Again, I think you're only concentrating on recent events and overlooking the past.

2. How many times have fanboys asked for a Blade series?

And how many times has Marvel complied and have it turn to crap?

Or Moon Knight? Or a revival of a character that was popular way back? And look what marvels doing. We've got a new Moon Knight book, a new blade book, Iron Fist is coming back and brubakers writing him.

I hope the Iron Fist series or mini is better than the last one because it was crap. And I own it.

3. i dont see it as speculation. Didio has said many times theyve been planning IC and its tie ins for a while. Its not a stretch to believe that DC went "We'll bring in a new firestorm,then get rid of the old one later on".

I call it speculation because I read the interviews before the new series came out and after it launched and that wasn't the original plan. They wanted to being Firestorm back but thought the only way to do it was by doing a very different take on the character. The writer's original idea had almost nothing to do with the original Firestorm. Why call him Firestorm? I don't know, name recognition I guess.

4. I'm merely commenting that DC does not treat its lower tier characters directly. This is one area where Marvel is better at.>snip<

You should really look at DC more closely and see what you're missing. I think you're concentrating on the current DC for your examples and using a broader time frame for Marvel. If you can't see that '52' is littered with lower tiered characters and is breating new life into them and making them interesting then I don't know what to tell you. Do they each have their own mini? No, but each of them will probably get more attention than what they would get from a Marvel mini or attempt at a series (like 'The Thing'). I still don't see how DC is terating it's characters like crap.

 

[trustyside-kick]

One thing I'll agree with you is the 52 thing. They are making 'lower-class' characters get more attention. It is working out so nicely since 52 is an amazing series at the moment.

 

[The Joker]

As crappy as DC treat their characters sometimes, Marvel are much worse.

T'is true.

Thank your lucky stars it's not the useless hacks at Marvel writing the DC characters right now.

They might make Batman unmask himself in Arkham Asylum or something....